SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[Solar Wind]

Is there a reason for a lynch being perfectly fine beyond it being not on lynchbait? Because it is hard to consider your reads when you haven't read the thread.

[Imperium]

It seems like you stopped pushing AP because you like him and not because you think he's town.

[Solar Wind]

Are you talking to us/Ffery? No, I thought the lack of him putting up resistance to the wagon didn't feel like scum-AP. This isn't how I'd expect to lynch scum-AP based on Tales. Ffery pointed the same thing at the same time. And overall just not feeling it + if he's scum, I'll figure it out eventually.

[Solar Wind]

I'm leaning towards voting Beast over Ace though but I'm not sure on that. I have to leave but I'll be back in a couple of hours. Don't lynch anyone before I show up again.

[Imperium]

You changed your mind because he isn't posting...? You're correct that I think AP-town tends to give up earlier when there's a wagon against him, but it's a very vocal giving up in thread as opposed to just not responding when people are pushing a wagon on him.

[Imperium]

Are you talking to us/Ffery? No, I thought the lack of him putting up resistance to the wagon didn't feel like scum-AP. This isn't how I'd expect to lynch scum-AP based on Tales. Ffery pointed the same thing at the same time. And overall just not feeling it + if he's scum, I'll figure it out eventually.

Stop using that last line >.>

[T S O]

Are you talking to us/Ffery? No, I thought the lack of him putting up resistance to the wagon didn't feel like scum-AP. This isn't how I'd expect to lynch scum-AP based on Tales. Ffery pointed the same thing at the same time. And overall just not feeling it + if he's scum, I'll figure it out eventually.

Is this how you'd expect to lynch town AP?

[Solar Wind]

You changed your mind because he isn't posting...? You're correct that I think AP-town tends to give up earlier when there's a wagon against him, but it's a very vocal giving up in thread as opposed to just not responding when people are pushing a wagon on him.

so being a lurksack fits neither his town nor his scum meta closely, and for me, it's coming down to which alignment I think he's more likely to be apathetic about. And I think he's more likely to be apathetic as town.

[Solar Wind]

Are you talking to us/Ffery? No, I thought the lack of him putting up resistance to the wagon didn't feel like scum-AP. This isn't how I'd expect to lynch scum-AP based on Tales. Ffery pointed the same thing at the same time. And overall just not feeling it + if he's scum, I'll figure it out eventually.

Is this how you'd expect to lynch

town

AP?

If AP is town, we don't want to lynch him at all.

[Imperium]

You changed your mind because he isn't posting...? You're correct that I think AP-town tends to give up earlier when there's a wagon against him, but it's a very vocal giving up in thread as opposed to just not responding when people are pushing a wagon on him.

so being a lurksack fits neither his town nor his scum meta closely, and for me, it's coming down to which alignment I think he's more likely to be apathetic about. And I think he's more likely to be apathetic as town.

Or he is probably going to be apathetic in this game regardless of alignment. Its hard to believe he would be this apathetic as bulletproof town.

[Imperium]

Also: we have five hours left.

[Imperium]

Like I understand mislynch fears and all that, but we have five hours left.

[Solar Wind]

VOTE: Beast

[Magua]

Is there a reason for a lynch being perfectly fine beyond it being not on lynchbait? Because it is hard to consider your reads when you haven't read the thread.

It's more: if I don't have a reason to be against the lynch, then I'm perfectly fine with it.

Eg RachMarie. I have no reason to be for RachMarie's lynch, seeing as she's posted like one or two things since I joined. I have no case. But I also have no reason to be against the lynch. So I'm perfectly fine with it.

People I'm against lynching: Mastin, Beastcharizard, PeregrineV, Cephrir, Imperium, Heartless.

I will happily vote the shit out of anyone else. My reason for voting AP over any of the others I could've possibly voted can best be summarized as "lolz".

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As for reading the thread prior to my joining: I'm not going to.

[Heartless]

This is taking so much longer than I expected and I need to reprioritize because there is absolutely no way I'm going to make it through and be able to do what I normally do. I'll do it in the neighborhood thread over the night, but there's no just no way it's happening in the next few hours.

Who are the wagon's we're choosing between right now? I think I'll have to resort to ISOing them for vote placement.

I see that AngryPidgeon, beastcharizard, and theaceofspades are a few, so I'll start with those three.

[beastcharizard]

I will make your life easier.

I have no vote right now and the House slot outed it because they thought I was scum. I have only defended myself. Haven't really done much contributing. The End.

[Heartless]

I see that AP has claimed bulletproof. There's a bulletproof dimension to our role. Does that have any implications as far as role symmetry?

[T S O]

we're not discussing roles sorry

[beastcharizard]

You must be TTH because you are not screaming at people.

[Heartless]

AngryPidgeon's ISO is difficult to parse because he spends quite a great deal of time in catch-up mode and making quote-stripped posts.

we're not discussing roles sorry

I already partially claimed. All you're doing at this point is being unhelpful. I'm asking anyone more experienced in game design and setup speculation than I am: what are the chances of having a bulletproof and (quasi)bulletproof role both be town? I'd ask Anti but I don't want to bother him right now.

[Solar Wind]

It's not out of the question from a design perspective.

[Cephrir]

I will make your life easier.

I have no vote right now and the House slot outed it because they thought I was scum. I have only defended myself. Haven't really done much contributing. The End.

I am not sure what you're trying to say here. It looks like an argument for lynching you.... was that the intent?

It's not out of the question from a design perspective.

I am in favor of not worrying about it right now.

[Ankamius]

Ok, I'm here.

I'm going to just color code the latest vote count based on what my reads were when I placed the entire list a while back since I haven't been able to do a whooooole lot since then.

AngryPidgeon

(5): theaceofspades,

Magua

,

Imperium

,

ooba

,

Vezokpiraka

,

Rachmarie

Theaceofspades (3):

AngryPidgeon

,

xombie

,

ZZZX

beastcharizard

(3):

Skybird

,

Cephrir

,

The Mask

RachMarie

(2):

PeregrineV

,

Farside22

TiphaineDeath

(2):

Mastin2

,

TSO

Cephrir

(2):

TiphaineDeath

,

FourTrouble

FourTrouble

(2):

Aeronaut

Skybird

(0):

beastcharizard

First thought is that I'm clearly very wrong about a bunch of people. The biggest wagon is on a townread, but it's also fueled by most of my strong town reads. Considering that two of my biggest scumreads are on the one read that isn't town, that nudges towards town too. Virtually all my nullscum reads are voting the last nullscum read, which already says to me that at least half of them are town.

I'm not touching ace. AngryPidgeon is a lower townread with that wagon and the rest of the wagon is awful. I'm also not touching RachMarie. I still remember how I got to that read in the first place and I don't believe there's a high chance of me being wrong on her alignment this game.

All the orange names are iffy. There's something very much fucked about my reads on the orange group and I'd rather figure that out for myself before testing to see if they're true, but I'd be fine with offing one of them now if it became the predominant choice since it would help focus my reads on them overall in the right direction.

I'll refocus my reads once we have a flip, but right now here's what I'm thinking of:

{Beastcharizard, Cephrir, SkyBird, The Mask} <- at least half town. All of these reads have to be refined a bit.
{Magua, Imperium, Vezokpiraka, RachMarie} <- If AngryPidgeon is town, I'm likely wrong on at least one of them. If AngryPidgeon is scum, then I'm likely not going to revisit any of them for a long time.
{Aeronaut, Mastin2, PeregrineV, Xombie, ZZZX} <- I'm confident I'm starting to head towards the right direction, at least. I'd be completely happy to focus here tomorrow.
{theaceofspades} <- If AngryPidgeon flips town, he's more town.

VOTE: AngryPidgeon

[Ankamius]

In case anyone gets confused, the town->scum order is: Dark Green -> Light Green -> theaceofspades -> Orange -> Red

[Heartless]

I'm looking at aceofspades' ISO. I'm almost certain Antihero would scum read this because of the stench of indecision it gives off, the weakness in convictions, and voting pattern.

To me, there's nothing I see in the ISO that cannot be accounted for by a simple falling behind and staying on the defensive. If I had to make an educated guess, this is why the aceofspades wagon exists in the first place. I think realistically, the chances of spades flipping scum is random, if not slightly below. There are a few things I see that my intuition tells me is more likely to come from town than not.

I'll vote him to avoid a no lynch, but I'd like to look at beasts' and whoever else's ISOs first.