Mini 451 - Totally Awesome Mafia, Game Over

[bobbyplump]

EBWOP: This stuck out as a

HUGE

thing in my analysis

That leaves Nabakov and Lowell as the two people who can end this thing.

I'm not trying to push the lynch of a townie,

but if it's inevitable, let's not waste another 9 pages (and god knows how many real life days).

Why does this quote stick out? This was a frustration post because everyone was sitting around. And then people were saying we should wait 10 days or something for Aimee to get back before taking any action. The game was making no progress at all. I thought N-L was acting as a newb, not as scum.

I refused to switch my vote, but the general consensus was, "We all plan to vote for N-L, but not until Aimee gets back. THAT'S what I was frustrated with.

Pickem is full of it. He needs to be lynched.

[Off the Mark]

This line also sticks out to me now:

Hey guys...I'm on dial up internet all weekend (race weekend here in Indy). I won't be able to post much until Mon or Tues.

Hope you don't see that as scummy.

[NabakovNabakov]

Pickem: Thank you for posting a case. I'm not going to complain about it being short, because you're right, BP didn't post all that much (and even less that was significant) and that in itself is inherently scummy.

BP: Thank you for posting a rebuttal, but most of your points seem to rely on us needing to know what you were feeling at the time. That hasn't actually been documented in thread, so we don't actually know if you were fed up with game pacing or frustrated with N-L's newbishness. Not good.

Still definitely leaning towards BP=Scum. Still waiting on CTD's input.

Mod:

Still waiting on CTD. Has enough time passed for a prod proper?

[bobbyplump]

BP: Thank you for posting a rebuttal, but most of your points seem to rely on us needing to know what you were feeling at the time. That hasn't actually been documented in thread, so we don't actually know if you were fed up with game pacing or frustrated with N-L's newbishness. Not good.

What do you mean it wasn't documented on the thread?

Post 196 by me: "Slightly off topic, but man these games take forever."

Post 221: "let's not waste another 9 pages (and god knows how many real life days)"

Post 225: "I just don't want a week of five-post days so that Aimee can come back and cast a vote on the 10th. "

I think that kind of shows I was fed up with the game's pace.

@OTM...I guess maybe it's because I come from a different site with different playstyles, but I really don't see how some of these tiny clauses in people's posts set off this group's radar.

For example, the thing that started the whole "lynch N-L" craze was that he said, "No offense if you're a townie" in his vote.

Now, to me, that means nothing. Just something thrown onto a post. Kind of like my, "hope you don't see that as scummy" comment. I meant nothing by it.

Turns out you got NL lynched because of one silly phrase. Great job on that one. Now you're about to lynch me because of more of the same.

[CrashTextDummie]

Turns out you got NL lynched because of one silly phrase. Great job on that one. Now you're about to lynch me because of more of the same.

Nah, we're about to lynch you because Pickem has claimed a guilty on you. Unless you're suggesting that Pickem investigated you because of "more of the same", in which case you'd be admitting your guilt and confirming Pickem's legitimacy.

For the record, I have very little doubt that Pickem is telling the truth, for one simple reason:
If A Papaya were scum, it's possible that he planned along with his buddies in N1 to fake-claim cop. However, Pickem would not have known about these plans at the time he replaced, yet he also very clearly breadcrumbed an innocent on Hjallti.

Therefore, his claim today is enough for me to vote bobbyplump, even though I suspect we are in Lylo.

I have a strong feeling right now that OTM is also scum, in heavy bussing mode.

NabakovNabakov - Any particular reason why you're placing so much weight on my opinion?

Vote: bobbyplump

That's lynch -1. Care to claim, bobby?

[Off the Mark]

I have a strong feeling right now that OTM is also scum, in heavy bussing mode.

So, what gave you that idea? I would like to defend myself, but at this point, all I can say is "You're wrong."

[NabakovNabakov]

Not that I don't respect your opinion, but the main reason I kept asking was because I didn't want anyone's opinion (or claim) to go unoted before we jumped to a lynch. It had so much weight because it was the last one.

Now that everybody's had their say, I will

Vote: Bobbyplump

. If he had anything significant to claim or substantial to defend, he would have done it earlier.

*sniff*
My first hammer
*sniff*

[PJ.]

Totally Awesome Vote Count

Pickemgenius - 1(Bobbyplump)
BobbyPlump - 4(PickemGenius, Offthemark, CrashTextDummie, NabakovNabakov)

Not Voting - (Aimee, Stewie, NabakovNabakov, CrashTextDummie)

7 alive 4 to Lynch

Pickem screams "I am cop and you are a dirty scumbag," as he points to Bobbyplump. Everyone kinda sits and blinks for a little bit, waiting for some members of the group to stop daydreaming. Then some says "why does my opinion matter, I think Pickem alone was enough." Then everyone Lynchs Bobbyplump before he can retailiate with anything but an "F*** You Pickem."

BobbyPlump, Totally Awesome Mafiate, Lynched Day 3.

Send In Night Choices By Saturday Night. Night 3.

[PJ.]

Day Arrives. You guys wake up, blah blah blah. Crashttextdummie is dead. Dead alot.

Crashtextdummie, Totally Awesome Townie, killed night 3

Day 4 go.

[Off the Mark]

Hopefully our cop has good news.

The mafia killed CTD to try to make me look bad. I'm a little surprised they are trying the exact same trick again, but there it is.

[pickemgenius]

FUCK YEAH I HAVE GOOD NEWS

VOTE: STEWIE

FOR REASONS LISTED

Reasons why I chose Stewie:

I suggest that we lynch the next person who uses a baseball analogy.

I think that's a home run idea, Stewie.

THAT is the ONLY interaction bewteen BP towards Stewie AT ALL THROUGHOUT BOTH DAYS, that's what spurred me to look at Stewie first off.


Now for Stewie:

Uses unconclusive reasons to vote N-L to start, then pretty much coasts on the wagon.

FOS: bobbyplump for the whole "hey, the day was long, so Aimee might be scum" theory. Even if the mod was waiting for Aimee, he could have been waiting for a different kind of choice

A very weak attack, and first mention of BP THE WHOLE GAME

I'm getting scummy vibes from Off the Mark Pickemgenius (however not his replacee) and bobbyplump

Again, very little interaction between him and BP.

Right, but could you please post the analysis you did that led you to investigate bobby? Right now it's your word against his. I'm leaning towards believing your word, and it would help a lot if you'd actually post the analysis

Irony right? Here I am posting analysis for the guilty result on you, as for the comment, now you are just waiting to go into bussing mode.

[Off the Mark]

heh I knew Stewie was scum

vote: Stewie

[Aimee]

How many left, five?

Should I wait for the others to weigh in...

or HAMMAH?

[Off the Mark]

wait for feedback from everyone

[NabakovNabakov]

I'm here (short night), and I have no qualms over dropping this hammer right after Stewie has a chance to post. Last words and all that.

Keep it up Pickem; you really know how to... Pick 'em! (lolihatemyself)

[Stewie]

Well, kinda knew something like this would have happened. I am the totally awesome gun shop owner. Basically, if anybody targets me to kill, they die too. However, investigation results turn up the opposite of what they should, due to the insanity of my role. Basically, if someone targets to kill me, they die. If someone targets to investigate me, they get the opposite of what they should (much like a miller would, but with the added power). Think it through, from a balance point of view, it makes perfect sense to have such a role, if of course there are thee mafia in one group (which I think is likely, since two mafia would be unbalanced against the mafia).

As for your "analysis"

First you say that there was only one interaction between me and bp, then you post three others. Sure, they weren't pretty strong, but can you find many interactions I had with players other than NL? Also, you say my reasons for voting NL were inconclusive? WTF? Quote them and explain how they were inconclusive. You'll have trouble because what do you know, they were not. The guy was votehopping (very scummy) and when asked about it and other things he never really answered (avoiding questions is also very scummy). How is that inconclusive? The fact that I arrived at the wrong conclusion does not mean it wasn't the best conclusion possible with the information available at the time.

FOS: OTM for the quick vote. We are quite possibly at lynch or lose; it's no time to get sloppy with our votes.

[Aimee]

A paranoid gun shop owner? In a mini normal? Doubtful.

[pickemgenius]

Unvote: a papaya; vote: Nekka-Lucifer

Mainly because:

1. I don't understand why he took his vote off "Off the Mark."
2. I don't understand why he's voting me now ("longest post ever done"? "he doesn't need to work anything out"?)
3. He hasn't explained why he cares so much about people who are not voting. His explanation was "Just asking." We know that, but

why

are you asking?
4. Already voted three different people.
5. I don't think there's any better reasons to vote for anyone else right now, and I think it's time for the game to start moving somewhere.

is that really conclusive evidence? I don't just want to lynch someone based off the argument "He's the best we've got".

No, it's not conclusive.

It doesn't have to end in a lynch, but it's a good place to start since there's nothing better. What do you suggest we do?

Also the next times you mention Nekka is for the elipsis, then to define WIFOM, then to ask for a claim. Sounds like coasting.

[pickemgenius]

As for your "analysis"

First you say that there was only one interaction between me and bp, then you post three others. Sure, they weren't pretty strong, but can you find many interactions I had with players other than NL? Also, you say my reasons for voting NL were inconclusive? WTF? Quote them and explain how they were inconclusive. You'll have trouble because what do you know, they were not. The guy was votehopping (very scummy) and when asked about it and other things he never really answered (avoiding questions is also very scummy). How is that inconclusive? The fact that I arrived at the wrong conclusion does not mean it wasn't the best conclusion possible with the information available at the time.

BP mentioned you once, that's

his

only interaction with you.

You

weakly attacked him on Day 2, and you were ready to go into bus mode on Day 3

[pickemgenius]

A paranoid gun shop owner? In a mini normal? Doubtful.

QFT

[NabakovNabakov]

I'm not sure about the claim. I've never heard of the "Paranoid Gun Shop Owner" but it just sounds like a paraphrase for Bomb + Miller.

Bomb almost makes sense, because we're in a game with two killing factions (at least at the beginning), so blowing one of them up could help the balance, but I've never heard of a Bomb combined with a Miller (though it's not too much of a stretch). I'm not a master of game balance/mechanics by any measure yet, so others can feel free to correct me on these points.

But the claim and the result aren't everything. Stewie's play also looks scummy, but I have a feeling that it has yet to be presented from an objective standpoint today. I'll do a quick re-read a bit later and come back with my thoughts.

[Off the Mark]

That is a totally ridiculous claim. Funny, though.

[Off the Mark]

CTD and I both posted cases against Stewie on Day 2

[Off the Mark]

Sorry for the triple post, but I couldn't resist this: (emphasis added)

Think it through, from a balance point of view, it makes perfect sense to have such a role, if of course there are thee mafia in one group (which I think is likely,

since two mafia would be unbalanced against the mafia

).

Huh??? Sounds like SOMEbody has mafia on the brain there. Hehehehee.

[Off the Mark]

Oh wait, now I understand. He's saying the 2 mafia setup is unbalanced in favor of the town, he just worded it strangely. Duh.

Maybe there IS only 2 mafia, and he is complaining about the game setup here?