SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[T S O]

I sincerely apologise for letting my burning hatred for House spill out in the thread and will endeavour for it not to happen again.

He's probably town, but that's a quite weak read.

[Solar Wind]

Here's why AceOfSpades is a bad lynch:

First off, consider the reasons behind pushing him. Farside and Rach have accused him of scumslipping by using neighborhoods in the plural. I pointed out why it is meaningless and Farside conceded the point. He's being accused for not having reasons for his reads. This is entirely non-alignment indicative. Vezok says he's scum caving under pressure. Actually his activity has been much the same throughout the game and I don't see him flailing, caving, or giving up. Nothing about his play changed with the wagon on him.

Second, consider the rise of the wagon. Mastin calls it "towndriven" and likes the buildup of it. While it may be towndriven, it still feels like a wagon on town. The buildup was fast with lots of naked votes and no convincing reason why he's scum. His actual posts and reads felt quite town. The dynamics of his wagon are bad. He accused AP. AP omgus'd him. Farside pushed the "neighborhoods" plural point. And the wagon developed. Vezok pushes the lynch arguing that people against the wagon are fueled by their own ego which is meaningless nonsense considering extensive evidence has been provided by me and others to push counterwagons while Vezok provided zero reasoning or evidence.

Third consider VysePresident who has been similarly inactive and prod-dodging but has yet to face much scrutiny. Not to mention his actual posts were pretty scummy as well. He sheeps House saying that me and Imperium were distancing. Asks us for reads on each other when it is abundantly obvious just by reading our posts and prod-dodges forever and ever. And he has been posting all over the site for days and days. Seriously, look at his online activity.

We have till Friday evening. Let's do this.

VOTE: VysePresident

[Solar Wind]

I'll do my best solar but I'll place money now you'll agrue against my town points.
Won't happen till tomorrow.
I was hoping to get to it this morning but I was running late.

That's fine. I won't push Ceph but I also think Ace is town. You were convinced a while ago. Let's compromise on VP.

[VysePresident]

Have my notes. Will post tonight.

[VysePresident]

@Solar Win - Oh for pity's sake, that was me saying I hoped the argument wasn't sincere. I didn't have enough of a clue to have an actual opinion.

[House]

He's probably town, but that's a quite weak read.

Somebody please tell me how that comes from town.

[Solar Wind]

@Solar Win - Oh for pity's sake, that was me saying I hoped the argument wasn't sincere. I didn't have enough of a clue to have an actual opinion.

That's fine. I look forward to seeing your notes.

[Cephrir]

Are they

handwritten

notes?

[Imperium]

shhhhh ceph...you'll let him know that handwritten means town.

...but only if a picture of them is taken!

[Solar Wind]

After reading the posts from yesterday, I don't want to lynch either Cephrir or Mastin2 today. I want to add TSO and AP to my town list. These are both gut feelings after reading their ISO's.

VOTE: Beast

I would love to see explanations for all four these reads. AP/Mastin/Ceph are all in my scumpile and TSO is probably the weakest of my townreads. How did you come to this conclusion?

Also, vig should shoot from among AP/Mastin/Ceph.

[Solar Wind]

Are they

handwritten

notes?

heh.

I feel so honored to have been peripherally involved in the generation of this meme.

[Solar Wind]

It's a meme? I thought it originated with Titus writing handwritten notes in ASOIAF.

[Solar Wind]

oriole did it first in Death's Diner, and was correctly considered insanely town for it. I thought Titus did it in ASOIAF to see if she could get some sweet towncred too. But the way she went about it was nothing like oriole.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5182585

One of those handwritten reads was of my slot.

[Skybird]

After reading the posts from yesterday, I don't want to lynch either Cephrir or Mastin2 today. I want to add TSO and AP to my town list. These are both gut feelings after reading their ISO's.

VOTE: Beast

I would love to see explanations for all four these reads. AP/Mastin/Ceph are all in my scumpile and TSO is probably the weakest of my townreads. How did you come to this conclusion?

Also, vig should shoot from among AP/Mastin/Ceph.

It looks to me like Mastin is crumbing (rather blantantly) that she has a powerful ability. People seem split over whether she is town or scum. On the off chance that she is town, I'd rather let her live another day and see what happens with the flip and night actions. My reason for not wanting to vote Ceph today is the same. (crumbing and people split on his alignment)

AP and TSO give me slight town vibes when I read their ISOs. As I mentioned in 2019, this is more a gut read than anything else.

[VysePresident]

Actually, no. My time just got hijacked again. I could post my notes, but I won't be able to follow up on them, and I've already crossed the line multiple times. Sad, because I was already halfway done writing them down, too.

@Mod - Please replace me. Sorry for not putting this up earlier. I over committed myself, and kept thinking I could just jump into the game.

Sorry for my lack of play this game, and for not replacing out earlier. I hope I get a chance to play with you guys sometime in the future, when I have the time & ability.

[TiphaineDeath]

Ceph is almost certainly town at this point.

[farside22]

Here's why AceOfSpades is a bad lynch:

First off, consider the reasons behind pushing him. Farside and Rach have accused him of scumslipping by using neighborhoods in the plural. I pointed out why it is meaningless and Farside conceded the point. He's being accused for not having reasons for his reads. This is entirely non-alignment indicative. Vezok says he's scum caving under pressure. Actually his activity has been much the same throughout the game and I don't see him flailing, caving, or giving up. Nothing about his play changed with the wagon on him.

Second, consider the rise of the wagon. Mastin calls it "towndriven" and likes the buildup of it. While it may be towndriven, it still feels like a wagon on town. The buildup was fast with lots of naked votes and no convincing reason why he's scum. His actual posts and reads felt quite town. The dynamics of his wagon are bad. He accused AP. AP omgus'd him. Farside pushed the "neighborhoods" plural point. And the wagon developed. Vezok pushes the lynch arguing that people against the wagon are fueled by their own ego which is meaningless nonsense considering extensive evidence has been provided by me and others to push counterwagons while Vezok provided zero reasoning or evidence.

Third consider VysePresident who has been similarly inactive and prod-dodging but has yet to face much scrutiny. Not to mention his actual posts were pretty scummy as well. He sheeps House saying that me and Imperium were distancing. Asks us for reads on each other when it is abundantly obvious just by reading our posts and prod-dodges forever and ever. And he has been posting all over the site for days and days. Seriously, look at his online activity.

We have till Friday evening. Let's do this.

VOTE: VysePresident

I have not seen any progressive reads from the player in question.
I also see scum lurk it out in large far more then town when a wagon forms.
It's about 80% scum hoping the wagon will move. 20% it's town busy.
But for fact ace has not progressed reads in this game based on what is going on.
Could I point to others?
Yes
Do I have time to do so?
No.

[Solar Wind]

Okay. I'll reread Ace closely and read through a couple of his other games to see if this is normal for him. In your opinion, if Ace is scum, who are his partners? Also, what are your other reads?

[Imperium]

Who the hell writes notes and then replaces out without ever posting them?

[mastin2]

shhhhh ceph...you'll let him know that handwritten means town.

Fun fact, basically everything that I do theory-wise is handwritten first, and some game posts are handwritten first. (For instance, in Sabotage, after Ceph was hammered, that post I got in at the last second? Handwritten during work that day, because I was pondering the game while lifeguarding.) It's just that I then immediately type it up. And often, make edits to it, 'cause I am an obsessive compulsive editor if given the opportunity to be one. (Nothing big, really. I just add extra details that weren't needed, and sometimes rearrange the order of given info, all in the hope of better posting.)

[mastin2]

Also, vig should shoot from among AP/Mastin/Ceph.

Vigging the BULLETPROOF claim (okay, admittedly, no harm done--if AP's truthful, no damage done; if AP's lying, he dies, butstill), the person who SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT TARGETING THEM AS TOWN IS A BAD IDEA (vig included--I would not die, I'll tell you that right here and now), and someone who claims a powerful town role.

If someone claimed to vig one of us three, I'd frankly take it as a scumclaim, not a vigclaim.

[Solar Wind]

I thought he'd have posted them as well but I'm just hoping the replacement is someone that's easy to read.

Mastin, what is it about the Ace wagon that you like?

[FourTrouble]

Hey guys, having problems irl, don't want it to spill over in to game, but don't REALLY have time to post right now. I've looked terrible this game and this move is not going to help. I think cephrir is scum UNVOTE: VOTE: cephrir I'll try to explain this when I get back, promise.

1579+1580=cephrir scum. He responds to my same post in two different, both derogatory ways. He planned and wanted to respond and make sure I got shut down and lumped in as scum with ace, he also forgot he had already done so, not town play. See, ace has been incredibly scummy, but he can't be scum as long is cephrir is unless we are in multiball, so cephrir is the lynch.

I do not like this interaction Sam-I-Am. Note to self, Stick-With-Your-Gut, and logic and everyone else be damned. VOTE: Solar Wind

Ceph is almost certainly town at this point.

Please explain the change on opinion re: Ceph and the vote on Solar.

[farside22]

I'll do my best solar but I'll place money now you'll agrue against my town points.
Won't happen till tomorrow.
I was hoping to get to it this morning but I was running late.

That's fine. I won't push Ceph but I also think Ace is town. You were convinced a while ago. Let's compromise on VP.

I'll think about this. That replacement was pretty awful.

Who the hell writes notes and then replaces out without ever posting them?

Very much agreed.

Okay. I'll reread Ace closely and read through a couple of his other games to see if this is normal for him. In your opinion, if Ace is scum, who are his partners? Also, what are your other reads?

Rach and td are also scum reads
Pere bugs me do to lack of town posting at all.
Didn't like vsye's replacing out.

Those are all I have in my head as scum reads and questionable reads. There is a few people I want to reread mostly because I can't remember every player in this game.
I'll be doing my best to get a list together tomorrow too but my priority is getting the town read on cephrir explained and scum reads all sorted first.

[Ankamius]

V/LA is still in effect, but I'm aware of the deadline. If anyone posted anything in the last several pages (I read up to the end of page 70 for reference and I don't remember if I had any unanswered questions from the few before that), then quote it again and I'll get to it. Otherwise, I'll probably pick up again from this point just so I can be some measure of caught up at deadline.