Micro 441: Less Pressure

[Malakittens]

Official Vote Count

++--

(2): Jingle, Huntress

Dry-fit

(2): Pine, TellTaleHeart

Huntress

(1): ++--

Pine

(1): Dry-fit

Jingle

(1): Xayzeck

Xayzeck

(1): xRECKONERx

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-02-07 13:00:00)

[Jingle]

Don't you roll your eyes at me, Mr. Sugarpants. >:\

What's your explanation for how ++-- is so popular while the Xayzeck wagon languishes?

I'm not entirely sure, although I don't really think Xayzeck is scum at the moment.

Your reading comprehension also sucks, BTW. Check my iso and tell me what my read on huntress is.

I actually don't know. More scum than not, though.

I don't have one. She's done a couple of things to raise eyebrows, but I'm nowhere near sure on her. The "case" you keep referring to was in direct response to you asking me why I thought her behavior was worth noting, and was not intended to be convincing. If I wanted to fabricate a case, I'd fabricate a much better case.

[But seriously, why are you so interested in putting him at L-1 if you're afraid of scum quickhammering. Do you think scum is gonna quickhammer other scum? Do you think it's against our interests to trade 1 for 1 with scum?

Scum might want to quickhammer because it gives town less information. ++-- isn't by any means a lock for the lynch today so scum might jump for the chance. I'm not interested in giving scum the choice of whether or not to go down the quickhammer route if they feel it's in their interest. I may be wrong about whether or not it's a valid play but it does seem to me to be a legitimate option.

As for whether or not I'm willing to lynch ++--, as I've said I think it should be up to the ICs to decide. If it were up to me he'd be my top choice.

I don't have any kind of handle on Xay at the moment. I don't think that's a good sign.

It gives town less information how? Because the wagon of someone who is scary enough to quickhammer has no information? And the scum being willing to sacrifice one of their own before figuring out where everyone's reads are? It's a shitty idea.

I think it's likely that ++-- is a patsy. There is an awkwardness about him, but I think it's more likely a result of being new than a result of being scum. This is supported by his fairly recent join date and his unfamiliarity with how the game is played on this site (Post 112). Looking at his ISO, it doesn't look like he starts conforming to the flow of the game, either. That's wouldn't seem characteristic of a man who has access to a PT with people familiar with the site meta. It's also unsettling that four out of six non-ICs were scum reading him and were either voting or expressed willingness to vote him. Add in my town read on Pine and this wagon is poison. I won't support it.

I would support this, though.
VOTE: Dry-Fit

Maybe. I do find it suspicious that it a bunch of people who are scumreading me sheeped me onto this vote.

I can agree that I at least need to look deeper at +

Well that's disappointing.

Well, you're not doing anything

[Jingle]

Huh. I meant to

UNVOTE:

[++--]

VOTE: Jingle

I think the Huntress case sucks

I agree. Jingle's case on Huntress sucks so bis quite bad. In fact, bad enugh for my initial scumread on Huntress (based on the not-really-a-reasoning-disguised-as-a-reasoning appearance of Huntress's vote) to kinda disappear and go back to null-ish (where by null, I mean the average scumminess in this game, which is still quite high because of the proportions of scum, but not high enough for me to keep my vote on).

UNVOTE: Huntress

[++--]

I don't have one. She's done a couple of things to raise eyebrows, but I'm nowhere near sure on her. The "case" you keep referring to was in direct response to you asking me why I thought her behavior was worth noting, and was not intended to be convincing. If I wanted to fabricate a case, I'd fabricate a much better case.

It still looked like if you were trying to make a case, though. I'm not entirely sure whether you've actually tried to make a case and failed and came up with this explanation or this is the truth. In fact, it kinda seems like the first one.

[TellTaleHeart]

Aaaaaaaah! The two posts above me are awful. >:(

[TellTaleHeart]

Well that's disappointing.

Probably not as disappointed as I am. I was under the impression you would be pushing cases on your suspects:

Im still going to push my suspects and make cases but I think the final decision should be up to them.

I have yet to see anything resembling a ++-- case.

All the stuff about following the ICs is a bunch of lip service. The ++-- wagon wasn't endorsed by either of us, but you wanted it at L-1. Xayzeck, the wagon we're

both

voting, gets the same meh-meh-pooh-pooh treatment from you as everyone else.

[++--]

Aaaaaaaah! The two posts above me are awful. >:(

Actually, I have to agree with you... This is what happens if I post while multitasking between lots of different stuff - borderline incomprehensible sentences that end up making no sense, plus lots of typos. My bad, sorry.

[Pine]

Why are people not voting Dry-Fit? Lip service to the ICs and opportunistic voting is scumtastic

(I love that I've used the word 'scumtastic' so much that when I misspell it, autocorrect is like "Did you mean 'scumtastic?'

[Huntress]

I'll catch up with this in the morning.

[Jingle]

Why are people not voting Dry-Fit?

Because I'm not comfortable with the game state or where my reads are, and we've got a functionally infinite deadline so I'm in no hurry.

I'll catch up with this in the morning.

I'll hold you to that. I'll also try to stir some shit up tomorrow. Hold me to that.

[TellTaleHeart]

I was looking forward to waking up to the miasma of Jingle's freshly-stirred shit. I await my aromatherapy.

[Huntress]

I'm guessing it's ++--, Jingle and Pine in the library with the candlestick. Pine is the least certain of those.

My guess is Jingle, Xayzeck, and Dry-Fit in the conservatory with a tuba.

I think I'm closer.

I'm fine with Jingle if we can't get the the votes for ++--, although after rereading again I think Pine may be better.

As for whether or not I'm willing to lynch ++--, as I've said I think it should be up to the ICs to decide. If it were up to me he'd be my top choice.

He's at L-4 now (L-3 when you last posted) so your previous reason for not voting him doesn't hold any more.

@ Pine:

You seem to be the only one who hasn't got an opinion on ++--. How do you read him? In fact, you haven't said much about anyone except for Dry-fit and have mainly been reacting to IC posts rather than interacting with non-ICs. Where do you stand on Jingle and Xayzeck?

[Huntress]

Combine that with a lack of follow through on questioning Pine, and the picture she paints is not pretty.

I followed it up 17 and 82. Please tell what else he did there that called for followup at that time?

I find accusations with no basis in reality suspect, yes. If you're trying to build a read out of toothpicks, you're not gonna get a real read. You're gonna get a stack of toothpicks. Tell me again who is more concerned with making it look like they're looking for alignments than actually figuring things out. Unless you're Titus. Are you Titus? Or, if there's a logical basis behind the questioning, please share it with me.

At that stage I had little more than toothpicks, so I have to use what's available. You'd be surprised what you can build with them. At the least it gives us something to look back on after we start getting flips. Tell me again who is more concerned with making it look like others are making it look like they're looking for alignments than actually figuring things out?

And as you can see from my post 104, I'd like to know why. What did Pine do that made him less wagon-worthy? What did Dry-Fit do that made him more wagon-worthy? What about Pine's response to 19 was so compelling? They why is very important Huntress. In fact, it's more important than the what.

Most of that is explained in 19. I didn't have a problem with Pine's response so I went ahead with the delayed vote change.

[Xayzeck]

More surprising to me is how there's no takers for the IC-blessed wagon. Instead, they opted to make their move on ++--.

I don't see what's wrong with that

[Xayzeck]

I know xay and I'm pretty sure we can figure each other out eventually. I'll get back to you once I've got a read on him.

I think the "figure each other out eventually" only works one way, because I've never had a game where I managed to nail you perfectly so I can't confidently say I'll sort you out sooner or later

[Xayzeck]

I have yet to see anything resembling a ++-- case.

Coming from someone who said the Huntress push was bad, why are you requesting for a case 6 pages into the game? You're not gonna get anything particularly useful with 6 pages of content.

[Xayzeck]

Reads are more or less the same since I last shared them.

[TellTaleHeart]

Part of me just wants to lynch Xay because he has a terrible attitude.

[++--]

Part of me just wants to lynch Xay because he has a terrible attitude.

While his attitude is indeed terrible, it doesn't really seem like a scummy terrible attitude. To me, at least.

[Jingle]

Dry-Fit- Pine has a point. In addition, he's very self aware with regard to wagon positioning. And 47 sounds a lot like he's trying to defend himself if Xay flips town. I can support this lynch.

Huntress- I'm not a fan of her explanation on why she switched to dry fit, and I don't see an attempt from her to read much of anyone. Her only interaction with Pine (aside from her RVS wagonvote) is to call him scum for not interacting with anyone. I can support this lynch.

Xayzeck- I remember thinking gut town from our back and forth, but I just read his ISO and I'm not really a fan of the fact that he didn't really explain his reads to my satisfaction. Xay, talk to me about +. Talk to me about Pine. Talk to me about Dry-Fit. How have these reads evolved. What are you thinking. What about me? What do you think about me. I might be able to get behind this lynch. We'll see.

Pine- He reads as confident in his Dry-Fit push. This is probably my strongest townread.

++-- It kinda feels like he's trying to convince me to vote him. Normally, I'd feel like this is a "low hanging fruit" situation after TTH's comment, but with him having a 60% chance of being scum... Well. I could get behind this lynch.

[Dry-fit]

Probably not as disappointed as I am. I was under the impression you would be pushing cases on your suspects:

You're right. I haven't done will this game. In part I think it's because I was a bit thrown off guard by Pine starting to look more town. But that's no excuse.

Here's what I see with ++--:

He starts the game without doing anything to get things going. He doesn't seem to be trying to figure anything out in the game. At least not actively. When I asked him about this he said there is nothing to interact with and he's bad at generating content. But then he says:

Accusations with no basis can, in fact, be pretty protown if used properly, if analysing the reacions to the accusations, etc. Also, without further reasoning, "more concerned with making it look like they're looking for alignments than actually figuring things out" is one of the most general remarks you could possibly say.

So he sees the merit in doing things to spark interactions/get things going, but doesn't do so himself. Now it may well be the case that that isn't his playstyle and he isn't good at it, but it still strikes me as strange that he wasn't trying to.

Then he drops an awful vote on Huntress for "jumping on an easy bandwagon."

Although thinking about it now that vote almost seems so bad it has to be coming from town.

Why are people not voting Dry-Fit? Lip service to the ICs and opportunistic voting is scumtastic

Piggy backing on Telltale now? I'd like to know how my current vote is opportunistic.

In a shameless appeal to convince you(all) of my towniness, let me ask you this: Does it feel to you like I'm coordinating with anyone in this game? Because I don't feel like I'm on the same wavelength as anyone. Maybe Huntress sort of but not really.

[Xayzeck]

@mod: V/LA until the weekend

Sorry, I'll have to put this on the backburner for now

[Jingle]

DryFit, talk to me about Pine.

[TellTaleHeart]

3 days, 16 hours left. Time flies.

It's seems that I have the reverse Midas-touch. Every wagon I join turns to shit.