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[Spambot]

Spambot and ABR - vote for somebody and say why you think they're scum.

I am voting for somebody.

[Xdaamno]

Mainly the way how once again, he's ignored his own defense and tried to let it blow over him. I guess I may find this scummy as once I actually

consciously considered doing this as a scum tactic

. I didn't do it because I thought it would look to unusual, and I don't see many pro-town people doing it.

I want to hear everyone's views a little more.

[Xdaamno]

Especially on OTM.

[Off the Mark]

Xdaamno - it is bad to have your mind made up already. Especially on such flimsy evidence as you have presented.

[Off the Mark]

Mainly the way how once again, he's ignored his own defense and tried to let it blow over him.

GAHHH!!! You still haven't told me what arguments I am ignoring, you just keep saying that I am ignoring them!!! This is soooooo frustrating.

[Xdaamno]

What 's the evidence I've presented got to do with it? It's gut feeling, and I'm trying hard to see if I can find anybody who shares it who might be able to express it better than me. I've not got my mind set; you've just assumed that because I've had to push so hard to get reactions from others (Which I still haven't got). I mean, you were the one sayinga bandwagon was good anyway.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: nolynch

until we get something by our SIAs.

[Xdaamno]

Gah... lynch OTM already; you look

unbelievably

scummy from here >.<

We have until tommorow to lynch; that's when hour 2 ends.

Vote: OTM

if I haven't already.

I didn't say arguments, OTM. I meant points, like this. Most pro-town people respond to them, from my experience.

[Off the Mark]

What 's the evidence I've presented got to do with it? It's gut feeling,

This is the exact opposite of what you JUST said. So the arguments I am supposed to be defending myself against are your gut feelings? This is totally insane.

I don't think you're scum though, but you're a very bad scumhunter and a terrible choice for FBI liaison.

[Off the Mark]

That's your argument? "You look unbelievably scummy." That's the kind of crap that I am supposed to respond to? You have GOT to be kidding me.

[Xdaamno]

OTM, everyone feels like this occasionally, I just express it. There's nothing else to go on at the moment. If something more important comes up, I publically jump on it, not reserve my opinions like a lot of idiots do.

This is the exact opposite of what you JUST said. So the arguments I am supposed to be defending myself against are your gut feelings? This is totally insane.

Once again, you have me wrong. I'm not even

asking

you to respond to arguements. It's usually when I say something against you, most people respond to it. I think there's been about 3 occasions where I've said thigns and you haven't responded. I'm going looking over your games to see if you're normally like this.

And yes, it's all gut feeling. You can respond to part of it, though, such as my accusations of manipulation. You could of referenced how you usually do this, or a reason, or something, but you said nothing. It just seems unusual.

[Xdaamno]

Eh, you seem to look generally dramatic and manipulative in most of your games. IGMEOY, but you think I'm attacking you more than I am. I just haven't seen this type of play before, that's all.

[Off the Mark]

I responded to one of your assertions of manipulation, I didn't think I had to keep saying the same thing over and over every time you bring it up. I write persuasively. I always do. You call it manipulation, whatever.

And if you want me to respond to comments like "you look scummy" my only response is going to be "Please explain how." Now it's your turn.

[Spambot]

I think I get what Xdaamo is saying. It's not scummy that you didn't refute his point (which is impossible when it's gut), but that you didn't respond at all. It makes it look like were trying to avoid confrontation, and it's a good point.

[Off the Mark]

I think you'll find I respond to everything that is worth responding to. In all my games.

[Xdaamno]

And if you want me to respond to comments like "you look scummy" my only response is going to be "Please explain how." Now it's your turn.

Eh, that's loaded... I've already said it's mostly gut.

I'm off, I'll check again tonight.

[Off the Mark]

I've never encountered a player who throws out such vague statements as "you look scummy here" and then expects a counter argument. If you want me to answer somethinig, then you ask me a question. It's not difficult.

[Off the Mark]

And if you want me to respond to comments like "you look scummy" my only response is going to be "Please explain how." Now it's your turn.

Eh, that's loaded... I've already said it's mostly gut.

In that case, all I can say is, your gut is wrong. Use your head next time.

[Off the Mark]

OK, I just went back and read where I didn't respond. The problem is... I did respond. Maybe I didn't respond how you expect, but that is not my fault.

Here's your attack:

Gah... lynch OTM already; you look unbelievably scummy from here

Here's my response:

Are you serious? I thought we were making progress here, but I guess not. For a game where we HAVE to move fast in order to have any chance of winning, this town really sucks.

And because I push this idea, I am called scummy. The world's gone cuckoo!

My response is in the exact same vagueness as your attack. Did you expect a point-by-point rebuttal or something? You said I looked scummy, I asked "are you serious?" which was supposed to convey shocked disbelief. And then I explained how my actions were in fact pro-town and yet you are interpreting them as scummy. That is a perfect response to a vague attack.

[Xdaamno]

It's not as black and white as that, OTM. 'You look unbelievably scummy' wasn't my argument at all, and I don't expect a rebuttal. I just expected you to respond to it

somehow

. I wasn't expecting you to make an argument against something you admittedly can't defend yourself against.

[Off the Mark]

As I just showed you, I did respond.

[Xdaamno]

Eh, that confused me. You didn't use a quote.

Still, you've done it a few times in the past, even if it wasn't the best example. I'm kind of failing at expressing my gut here.

[Eyceking]

Yeah, my hour one action carries through, right?? Or do I have to PM Pooky again??

I don't think OTM is scum. And gut is a weak reason to be voting someone now, Xdaamo. You seemed to be the most active in searching out scum, and you had an extended Hour 0 in which to analyze people then when Hour 1 arrives and you can actually go after people - you use your gut.

I'm not following the reasoning, here.

[Eyceking]

Er, apologies, Xdaamno. Damned weird name :p

[Off the Mark]

I think I know why you are feeling this way. You posted your big case against me and then I posted a big rebuttal. Then you posted a counter-rebuttal and I let it drop. I was going to post a counter-counter-rebuttal, but I figured we wouldn't be covering any new ground, we'd just be saying things like "no I didn't" and "yes you did" so I didn't bother.

Is that the problem here? I just figured you weren't convinced, but I thought my arguments still would stand up to the scrutiny of the town, even with you getting the last word in, so I didn't continue the debate.