Open 585: Jungle Republic (ended)

[Honey bee]

TellTaleHeart replaces orcinus_theoriginal!

The deadline for Night 1 is now (expired on 2015-01-25 02:21:00). Please send me night actions by this time if you have them.

[Honey bee]

TellTaleHeart,

Vanilla Townie

, has died.

It is now day 2. With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline for day 2 is (expired on 2015-02-08 08:07:00).

[farside22]

Just writing down some thoughts on Lal flipping wolf and based on a few interactions I noted.
Not wolf with Lal would be West, Metal, Orc or Ginko

I'm still working on this list.

[farside22]

The more I think about interaction I find it interesting that Lal said nothing towards Acryon when he was making a case and when he was under fire.

I think Lyse and Vyse are the other 2 that she didn't say much too but let me double check that.

[farside22]

I think this comment is a good note to keep from Lal. I think it came from an honest place and when thinking about scum team I want to weigh this in.

I'm dumb, so this just seems weird and I don get it, can you walk me through why you are suspecting him of specifically being a werewolf?

I’m not familiar with the three-team setup (yes I know I’m beating a horse that had been bludgeoned to death before I even got to it, but this was my reasoning), so it seemed to me that it would make sense for Werewolf to try and pit town and mafia against each other. Town wants to kill werewolf and mafia, mafia wants themselves to be the majority, werewolf wants to have mostly werewolves but also at least one townie, and presumably a mafia or townie in the second slot. They would want to take out the Seer ASAP (I have no idea who might be fulfilling that role as of yet) and then it’s really to their benefit if town and mafia sit back and pick each other off. That’s just how I see it, I’m aware that could be grossly flawed reasoning. As you pointed out earlier in your post, his play his too obvious for scum/scum-distancing, but still there’s no reason for that naked vote in lieu of actual discussion. It’s almost as if he’s like “TEEHEE THIS IS SO OBVIOUS NO ONE WILL THINK IT’S REAL”, I am just befuddled by that whole thing. I really wish he would weigh in on my read of him, everyone's reaction to my read on him, and basically the nature and purpose of the naked vote.

Also, I totally forgot about Ginko’s NYE question, I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT WAS GOING[/quote]


I go back and forth with Acryon in reread and Lyse reads town. YYR never said boo from what I recall the whole game.

[farside22]

Still think ari is opposite alignment of lal. I noted metal was being nice to lal and his thought process was that she'd attack him as scum which is pretty weak tell.

So I'm looking at vyse, yyr or metal as lal's scum buddy.
Ari still reads scummy as well as ginko.

Let's start with the lurky one.

Vote: yyr

[Metalcyanide]

Checking in will post something later tonight

[farside22]

I just remembered scum can hide in this game easier the wolf.
Since there is a seer out there I want that person to think about looking at either yyr or acryon.

Vote: ari

[West9]

Anyways, who said I was defending Ari. If you haven't noticed I'm still voting for him and have him as my best scum read. The rest of it was just me analyzing his move. Also, I didn't defend his scum read on me I just said he used me as the reaction bait. And I anwsered it because I wanted to.

I think you've played long enough to know about the no-no that is answering questions directed at someone else before they do, so I'm gonna need a real answer: why did you think your insight into Ari's play there was valuable enough to chime in before he answered the question himself?

Gink, I'm not really feeling this Acryon wagon. Want to hear your thoughts on what I just said about Prawn.

I don't think readlists like prawn's are super out of the ordinary on this site. I had some weird vibes about prawn's first few posts, but I'm not feeling anything strong about him anymore. I'd like you to tell me what you think about acryon's 'flipping read' on Vyse.

I honestly didn't really think that much about it until i read the interaction with you and acryon where acryon, instead of explaining his flipflop on Vyse and his ignoring of WestScumread questions, said "well, why don't you explain to me why would I flipflop on Vyse and ignore the WestScumread questions." And I also don't like that he ignored explaining the scumread on me until enough time had passed that he could say "my scumread on west was silly."

It's weird to me that Vyse, during the last section of yesterday, was much more "anti-Lalendralynch" than "pro-acyronlynch." He fights pretty hard against farside's assertion that Lal is scum, and then kinda just weakly probes and nudges at acryon. Not sure how to read this, and wondering if that's just a part of Vyse's meta.

I had no idea we were so close to deadline. I think Aristophanes is a better lynch than Lalendra.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aristophanes

Yeah, hey, you never really mentioned why that is.

Still wanna hear about Ari's Metalscumread. Still wanna hear about why Metal thought an Orc/Acryon scumteam could be a thing.

Metal was around at the end of yesterday, but instead of pushing the Ari wagon, did jack shit and asked about timezones. I don't like that, especially for someone who went out of their way to say that they didn't think Lalendra was scum.

VOTE: Metalcyanide

[Ginko]

Not gonna post much because Royal Rumble hype, but here's what's in my head. Haven't talked to Keely yet but YOLO~

1. Anyone not thinking we should be werewolf hunting right now needs to stop that.

2. This kill makes me feel feelings. A) Orci was a relatively safe kill, and that means scum were either confident (likely) or thought he was the seer (less likely). People I think should feel confident if they're scum right now are farside, Acryon, Lyserg, and West. B) Orci is not from our dumb other site, which feels like a more likely kill from one of Lyserg, Metal, Aristophanes, West, or Young, as they'd be more uncomfortable killing someone that points to them. C) Orci seemed pretty townie from what I remember, which would mean whoever this werewolf is likely is hunting for town rather than the other scumteam. In my head I've got the idea that newer players would more likely want to see the other scumteam dead before town considering how much more likely the standard mafia team are to win if they survive for very long. This is the part I'm least confident on, but it points to farside, Lyserg, West, Acryon, and Young.

The only people common to all three of my dumb NKA things are Lyserg and West. Lyserg is more townie in my brain, so I'm gonna say West is the most likely person to make this kill.

3. I agree that Seer should look at Acryon, not really seeing Young. Acryon's switch from Ari to Lal right at the beginning of that wagon pretty much cleared him in my books unless the seer tells me otherwise.

4. Not gonna vote until Keely is around

- Johnny

[West9]

Why do you think werewolves would be confident at this point? Didn't half of their team just die?
The idea that D2 people would be less likely to kill D2 people is silly.
Enough people had listed orci as being scummy that scum trying to kill other scum still could've been the case here.

[VysePresident]

@Prawn - Quick question, are you an alt?

[VysePresident]

More thoughts in a bit. I strongly disagree with Ginko's Werewolf assessment, but I'll get to that later. Looking forward to Prawn's response.

It's weird to me that Vyse, during the last section of yesterday, was much more "anti-Lalendralynch" than "pro-acyronlynch." He fights pretty hard against farside's assertion that Lal is scum, and then kinda just weakly probes and nudges at acryon. Not sure how to read this, and wondering if that's just a part of Vyse's meta.

What did I do that made me look like my priority was defending Lal? I understand getting some flak here, but I don't see how my push on acryon was 'weak probing.' It was pretty darn serious on my end. :/

[VysePresident]

3. I agree that Seer should look at

Acryon not really seeing Young

. Acryon's switch from Ari to Lal right at the beginning of that wagon pretty much cleared him in my books unless the seer tells me otherwise.
- Johnny

Did you accidentally switch the names around in that first sentence? This bit isn't making much sense, taken straight.

[prawneater]

@Prawn - Quick question, are you an alt?

Nope.

I'm going to read over the game and get back to you guys with some thoughts.

[Aristophanes]

Hey guys! Sorry I didn't do much in the last bit of D1. I was quite sick, to the point I couldn't really move much for a bit there. Good now though!

Should be up at 11EST to skim what I missed and start some commentary. Let's do this!

[acryon]

Going to catch up in another thread and then I'll be back to post here, but I'll get this out of the way at least.

VOTE: Aristophanes

[acryon]

Still think ari is opposite alignment of lal. I noted metal was being nice to lal and his thought process was that she'd attack him as scum which is pretty weak tell.

I will note that metal in 20 and 31 stated that he knew Lal IRL and they have been friends a long time, so I personally wouldn't put much stock in some of their buddying/interactions, because it read to me like a friend helping another friend on a new site.

Also, vote is on Ari because the slot is definitely mafia.

[Ginko]

Lol at that nightkill.
Need to reread D1 again with flips in mind, but I've been putting it off/I'm putting off school right now to make posts in mafia q.q

Promise I won't be missing much longer.
-Cheetory6

[West9]

It's weird to me that Vyse, during the last section of yesterday, was much more "anti-Lalendralynch" than "pro-acyronlynch." He fights pretty hard against farside's assertion that Lal is scum, and then kinda just weakly probes and nudges at acryon. Not sure how to read this, and wondering if that's just a part of Vyse's meta.

What did I do that made me look like my priority was defending Lal? I understand getting some flak here, but I don't see how my push on acryon was 'weak probing.' It was pretty darn serious on my end. :/

It was this:

Yes, this is a guess. It's an educated guess, based on an observation, and yes, opinion. I could be wrong. There's a reason why I'm still trying to talk with him. But I think I'm right, and I'm willing to take a chance on it.

[Aristophanes]

Got called into work but posting a quick thought update from reading this page.

I agree with pretty fully with Johnny's post there. I'd had the same thoughts on D2ers being likely to not kill D2ers immediately. He also did seem pretty vanilla to me. I like this logic.

I have votes on me, but no questions. I'm sure I missed some and will read them in catchup in a few hours, but if anyone has any for me go for it and I'll do my best.

Also, vote is on Ari because the slot is definitely mafia.

Ouch. My feelings!

People are saying I am definitely opposite of Lal. Why does this make me a scum team member and not a town member?

[farside22]

Because I see nothing town from your post.

[Aristophanes]

Because I see nothing town from your post.

Well, I'm sorry about that. I'm pretty good at sounding perpetually scummy...lol

[YYR]

VOTE: Ginko

Longish post when I wake up. zzz

[West9]

I have votes on me, but no questions. I'm sure I missed some and will read them in catchup in a few hours, but if anyone has any for me go for it and I'll do my best.

u for real dood?
I want and have wanted explanations about the Metalscumread and the reason for choosing Metal as the naked vote.