I've said why you might be scum. And if you're going to ask for it...Off the Mark wrote:No - I am trying to push ahead for discussion. We are very limited on time here. We need to get a bandwagon going to evaluate behaviour. Thanks for your vote, though, that helps.
If you insist, but this whole argument is so weak, I almost feel like just shrugging it off.Xdaamno wrote:Go on, then, I'll analyse you. Make sure you provide a defense rather than shrugging me off
Yes, I was talking down to Korran. He is a 12-year old who doesn't know how to play, I was trying to help. I was also critical of him for playing to get a good job rather than playing to win. You call this manipulative, I call it persuasive and pro-town.Right from the first post, this is one of my points. The tone of voice employed by OTM is quite manipulative (Though, admittedly, I haven't read his other games so I don't know if he's always like this). Korran was the easiest target for allying with easily; then again, they could be scum partners but OTM's scum either way. Of course, this is 80% of a scum vibes kind of thing.
Yes, he'll probably strawman the above argument since it isn't that strong.
I explained what was wrong with it.This is OTM's third post. He's already jumping on eyce, and I don't see anything wrong with eyce's statement.
This is one of those things that is so dumb it is not worth responding to. When I say "from the beginning" it means from the beginning of my reading of the game. Seriously, this didn't occur to you? I don't think you are this dumb, so I am forced to think you are grasping at straws here to criticize me, which means you are scum.One thing I have noticed, though is, OTM's use of 'eyecking was giving me scum vibes from the beginning' . Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't OTM one of thosewho wasn't even there at the beginning?
Interesting you felt the need to postDisclaimer 2: Wow, look at the connections between me and Eyce through the game, after re-reading. This was unintentional, and please give me the benifet of the doubt.
I don't find it necessary to fully explain in excruciating detail every thought I have. Most of the times, I think my line of thought is fairly easy to see. If not, I will say so. This was posted after Yos's theory about intentional lurking. It seemed bizarre to me at the time, but I guess it is possible, now that I have considered it more. But I still don't find it very likely.Xdaamno wrote:Fifth post, no explanations, lots of embellishment. This is probably the best example of this I can find.Off the Mark wrote:That's quite a fantasy you cooked up there, Yos.FOS: Yosarian2
I said nothing about Yos being pro or anti-town. I simply said it seemed he had to be suspicious of me from the get-go in order to get that reading on my posts. Do you have reading comprehension problems?Hm. The first paragraph is wrong, simply because of this: Even if OTM was not being overdefensive, how is it in any way no pro-town to point it out? It's perfectly reasonable for any x pro-town player to believe someone is being overdefensive even if they don't realise it. Stating your feelings is pro-town, not pro-scum. Still, I'm not ruling out Yos as scum, just that OTM's argument is faulty.
The second paragraph is slightly better. He makes a few good points, but still comes off as rather manipulative in his writing style.
This is perfectly normal. It's the same reason you don't vote for a third party candidate for president.And here's his very first mention of me, his seventeenth post. Regardless, his argument in the second paragraph reeks vibes to me.We should be looking to support the players who look the smartest and most pro-town, not those that have the best chance of winning. Why he'd choose to support guardian solely based on the fact he had the best chance of winning is strange.
Suspicious to you. I disagree that Korran and I are suspicious. Guardian, not so sure about. Again, I said nothing about your actions being anti-town. Since you seem to keep assuming this, it seems you are being kinda overdefensive here.And, after that, he says he dosen't trust me out of the blue, but do you remember the context this was taken from? Two of the most suspiscious players suddenly voted for another of the most suspiscious players at the same time, with crap reasoning. Now, even if I was wrong, how is it not pro-town to point out this was strange?
Oh come on, I can't try to lighten things up with a humorous observation once in a while? This whole argument of yours seems like a HUUUUGGGE reach to me and makes me very suspicious of you. I find it hard to believe another townie could legitimately have so much suspicion of me based on these posts.Xdaamno wrote:Little content, lots of posting.Off the Mark wrote:Actually this is kinda silly. We are never going to agree on a good setup since some of us are scum. It's like throwing Jesse Jackson and David Duke into a room to try to come up with a plan on how to best fight racism in schools.
Using the white house guy or not is a close call. We're going to have to move some people around over the next few hours as people start to die or get lynched, and keeping someone in a position that dosn't do anything directly, and keeping him there until hour 5, is iffy, for a possible long-term payoff, is not as obveous a choice as you try to make it sound. Honestly, I didn't change my mind because of your arguments; I changed my mind mostly because eyeking started looking suspicious to me, and as I didn't want him to be a crypto or a SIA agent I didn't really have anywhere else safe to put him.Guardian wrote: Yos - wants to be director a lot. Says he has evidence that he always does this, doesn't. Initially comes up with some things that are subtly anti-town (the not using the white house thing, for instance), but then moves away from them when people disagree. Tie with Xdam? puts him as director.
Bull. I explained why I made him a cop; it's because he did good scum-hunting in the pre-game, which is what I was looking for as we really want our cops to nail a scum fast. Perhaps he didn't have as many theory contrabutions as scum, but he was one of the most active people during hour zero, and I think scumhunting's much more important in a cop then game theory, don't you?Xdam - opposes everyone but Yos for director, gets powerful role because of it. Not a lot of theory contributions. Not great reasons for not supporting others over Yos.
Sure, I disagree with many of his stratagy ideas. However, my opinion of him is the same one you yourself stated several pages ago:Albert - suggesting horribly anti-town ideas, interactions with Yos, possibly faked late appearance.
What, exactally, has changed your opinion since then? Or are you just throwing whatever you can at the wall to see if it sticks?Guardian wrote: perfect position for him. Town, but doesn't really know what's what imo
Off the Mark wrote:If you insist, but this whole argument is so weak, I almost feel like just shrugging it off.Xdaamno wrote:Go on, then, I'll analyse you. Make sure you provide a defense rather than shrugging me off
Kay, but I've seen newbie scum use that kind of 'Oh, don't worry, you're wrong, I'm fine' thing before.
Yes, I was talking down to Korran. He is a 12-year old who doesn't know how to play, I was trying to help. I was also critical of him for playing to get a good job rather than playing to win. You call this manipulative, I call it persuasive and pro-town.Right from the first post, this is one of my points. The tone of voice employed by OTM is quite manipulative (Though, admittedly, I haven't read his other games so I don't know if he's always like this). Korran was the easiest target for allying with easily; then again, they could be scum partners but OTM's scum either way. Of course, this is 80% of a scum vibes kind of thing.
Yes, he'll probably strawman the above argument since it isn't that strong.
You weren't persuading him, you were manipulating him, anyone can see that. Just because you say you weren't dosen't mean you weren't.
I explained what was wrong with it.This is OTM's third post. He's already jumping on eyce, and I don't see anything wrong with eyce's statement.
Good for you. I, however, do not agree with your reasoning (As I said) and thus I'm suspiscious of why you made the argument when it's (obviously in my own eyes) faulty.
This is one of those things that is so dumb it is not worth responding to. When I say "from the beginning" it means from the beginning of my reading of the game. Seriously, this didn't occur to you? I don't think you are this dumb, so I am forced to think you are grasping at straws here to criticize me, which means you are scum.One thing I have noticed, though is, OTM's use of 'eyecking was giving me scum vibes from the beginning' . Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't OTM one of thosewho wasn't even there at the beginning?
OTM, stop using personal attacks. They're not helping anyone, and if anything they're just confusing all of us, and not helping the town.
Also, you took that out of context. In the previous paragraph I stated that was only yourthirdpost (Correct me if I'm wrong). If you had a few more posts, that would be a fair excuse.
Interesting you felt the need to postDisclaimer 2: Wow, look at the connections between me and Eyce through the game, after re-reading. This was unintentional, and please give me the benifet of the doubt.this.
I don't find it necessary to fully explain in excruciating detail every thought I have. Most of the times, I think my line of thought is fairly easy to see. If not, I will say so. This was posted after Yos's theory about intentional lurking. It seemed bizarre to me at the time, but I guess it is possible, now that I have considered it more. But I still don't find it very likely.Xdaamno wrote:Fifth post, no explanations, lots of embellishment. This is probably the best example of this I can find.Off the Mark wrote:That's quite a fantasy you cooked up there, Yos.FOS: Yosarian2
You don't have to say everything in 'excrutiating detail'. That's not what I'm suggesting, so stop twisting my words. All you need to do is say it. While this may not be a massive scum tell if you believed we knew what you meant anyway, all you needed to do was say 'I don't believe you because...' or say that it's unlikely.
I said nothing about Yos being pro or anti-town. I simply said it seemed he had to be suspicious of me from the get-go in order to get that reading on my posts. Do you have reading comprehension problems?Hm. The first paragraph is wrong, simply because of this: Even if OTM was not being overdefensive, how is it in any way no pro-town to point it out? It's perfectly reasonable for any x pro-town player to believe someone is being overdefensive even if they don't realise it. Stating your feelings is pro-town, not pro-scum. Still, I'm not ruling out Yos as scum, just that OTM's argument is faulty.
The second paragraph is slightly better. He makes a few good points, but still comes off as rather manipulative in his writing style.
Can anyone believe OTM's overdefensiveness? Look, if I'm pointing out arguments why the fuck are you trying to insult me? It's a game, it's what everyone has to do, now grow up.
And you were pointing out a strange thing that Yos had done. The only singular reason you would point these out was to see if it might of been a scum tell, and therefore you thought, from that point, he might not be pro-town. I was saying I don't see how it's not pro-town? Yes? Kapeesh?
This is perfectly normal. It's the same reason you don't vote for a third party candidate for president.And here's his very first mention of me, his seventeenth post. Regardless, his argument in the second paragraph reeks vibes to me.We should be looking to support the players who look the smartest and most pro-town, not those that have the best chance of winning. Why he'd choose to support guardian solely based on the fact he had the best chance of winning is strange.
Once again, just because you say it's perfectly normal it dosen't mean it is. It's aseriousflaw to just vote for the winning guy, and not support any other views. If you thought x player would be a good director and nobody made a case for them, you should try and put an argument forward for them. You can still agree with other people's points, but that is definatly the best strategy. Voting for the second-best director in your own eyes just because they're winning is averypoor excuse. What you really should of done here is admitted it might of been a bad choice and have an inch of humility, becuase arguing to vote for second-best as good is just plain stupid, or scummy,
Suspicious to you. I disagree that Korran and I are suspicious. Guardian, not so sure about. Again, I said nothing about your actions being anti-town. Since you seem to keep assuming this, it seems you are being kinda overdefensive here.And, after that, he says he dosen't trust me out of the blue, but do you remember the context this was taken from? Two of the most suspiscious players suddenly voted for another of the most suspiscious players at the same time, with crap reasoning. Now, even if I was wrong, how is it not pro-town to point out this was strange?
No, you're twisting my words. You said 'you don't trust me', implying I was not pro-town. Stop lying
Oh come on, I can't try to lighten things up with a humorous observation once in a while? This whole argument of yours seems like a HUUUUGGGE reach to me and makes me very suspicious of you. I find it hard to believe another townie could legitimately have so much suspicion of me based on these posts.Xdaamno wrote:Little content, lots of posting.Off the Mark wrote:Actually this is kinda silly. We are never going to agree on a good setup since some of us are scum. It's like throwing Jesse Jackson and David Duke into a room to try to come up with a plan on how to best fight racism in schools.
My argument's not a reach, because I've defended every single point, and whatever my alignment it can't be a reach from my POV. For the third time, just because you say something dosen't make it true. I find it hard another townie would be so overdefensive as to think everyone attacking them is scum.
Off the Mark wrote:If you insist, but this whole argument is so weak, I almost feel like just shrugging it off.Xdaamno wrote:Go on, then, I'll analyse you. Make sure you provide a defense rather than shrugging me off
Kay, but I've seen newbie scum use that kind of 'Oh, don't worry, you're wrong, I'm fine' thing before.
Yes, I was talking down to Korran. He is a 12-year old who doesn't know how to play, I was trying to help. I was also critical of him for playing to get a good job rather than playing to win. You call this manipulative, I call it persuasive and pro-town.Right from the first post, this is one of my points. The tone of voice employed by OTM is quite manipulative (Though, admittedly, I haven't read his other games so I don't know if he's always like this). Korran was the easiest target for allying with easily; then again, they could be scum partners but OTM's scum either way. Of course, this is 80% of a scum vibes kind of thing.
Yes, he'll probably strawman the above argument since it isn't that strong.
You weren't persuading him, you were manipulating him, anyone can see that. Just because you say you weren't dosen't mean you weren't.
I explained what was wrong with it.This is OTM's third post. He's already jumping on eyce, and I don't see anything wrong with eyce's statement.
Good for you. I, however, do not agree with your reasoning (As I said) and thus I'm suspiscious of why you made the argument when it's (obviously in my own eyes) faulty.
This is one of those things that is so dumb it is not worth responding to. When I say "from the beginning" it means from the beginning of my reading of the game. Seriously, this didn't occur to you? I don't think you are this dumb, so I am forced to think you are grasping at straws here to criticize me, which means you are scum.One thing I have noticed, though is, OTM's use of 'eyecking was giving me scum vibes from the beginning' . Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't OTM one of thosewho wasn't even there at the beginning?
OTM, stop using personal attacks. They're not helping anyone, and if anything they're just confusing all of us, and not helping the town.
Also, you took that out of context. In the previous paragraph I stated that was only yourthirdpost (Correct me if I'm wrong). If you had a few more posts, that would be a fair excuse.
Interesting you felt the need to postDisclaimer 2: Wow, look at the connections between me and Eyce through the game, after re-reading. This was unintentional, and please give me the benifet of the doubt.this.
I don't find it necessary to fully explain in excruciating detail every thought I have. Most of the times, I think my line of thought is fairly easy to see. If not, I will say so. This was posted after Yos's theory about intentional lurking. It seemed bizarre to me at the time, but I guess it is possible, now that I have considered it more. But I still don't find it very likely.Xdaamno wrote:Fifth post, no explanations, lots of embellishment. This is probably the best example of this I can find.Off the Mark wrote:That's quite a fantasy you cooked up there, Yos.FOS: Yosarian2
You don't have to say everything in 'excrutiating detail'. That's not what I'm suggesting, so stop twisting my words. All you need to do is say it. While this may not be a massive scum tell if you believed we knew what you meant anyway, all you needed to do was say 'I don't believe you because...' or say that it's unlikely.
I said nothing about Yos being pro or anti-town. I simply said it seemed he had to be suspicious of me from the get-go in order to get that reading on my posts. Do you have reading comprehension problems?Hm. The first paragraph is wrong, simply because of this: Even if OTM was not being overdefensive, how is it in any way no pro-town to point it out? It's perfectly reasonable for any x pro-town player to believe someone is being overdefensive even if they don't realise it. Stating your feelings is pro-town, not pro-scum. Still, I'm not ruling out Yos as scum, just that OTM's argument is faulty.
The second paragraph is slightly better. He makes a few good points, but still comes off as rather manipulative in his writing style.
Can anyone believe OTM's overdefensiveness? Look, if I'm pointing out arguments why the fuck are you trying to insult me? It's a game, it's what everyone has to do, now grow up.
And you were pointing out a strange thing that Yos had done. The only singular reason you would point these out was to see if it might of been a scum tell, and therefore you thought, from that point, he might not be pro-town. I was saying I don't see how it's not pro-town? Yes? Kapeesh?
This is perfectly normal. It's the same reason you don't vote for a third party candidate for president.And here's his very first mention of me, his seventeenth post. Regardless, his argument in the second paragraph reeks vibes to me.We should be looking to support the players who look the smartest and most pro-town, not those that have the best chance of winning. Why he'd choose to support guardian solely based on the fact he had the best chance of winning is strange.
Once again, just because you say it's perfectly normal it dosen't mean it is. It's aseriousflaw to just vote for the winning guy, and not support any other views. If you thought x player would be a good director and nobody made a case for them, you should try and put an argument forward for them. You can still agree with other people's points, but that is definatly the best strategy. Voting for the second-best director in your own eyes just because they're winning is averypoor excuse. What you really should of done here is admitted it might of been a bad choice and have an inch of humility, becuase arguing to vote for second-best as good is just plain stupid, or scummy,
Suspicious to you. I disagree that Korran and I are suspicious. Guardian, not so sure about. Again, I said nothing about your actions being anti-town. Since you seem to keep assuming this, it seems you are being kinda overdefensive here.And, after that, he says he dosen't trust me out of the blue, but do you remember the context this was taken from? Two of the most suspiscious players suddenly voted for another of the most suspiscious players at the same time, with crap reasoning. Now, even if I was wrong, how is it not pro-town to point out this was strange?
No, you're twisting my words. You said 'you don't trust me', implying I was not pro-town.
Oh come on, I can't try to lighten things up with a humorous observation once in a while? This whole argument of yours seems like a HUUUUGGGE reach to me and makes me very suspicious of you. I find it hard to believe another townie could legitimately have so much suspicion of me based on these posts.Xdaamno wrote:Little content, lots of posting.Off the Mark wrote:Actually this is kinda silly. We are never going to agree on a good setup since some of us are scum. It's like throwing Jesse Jackson and David Duke into a room to try to come up with a plan on how to best fight racism in schools.
My argument's not a reach, because I've defended every single point, and whatever my alignment it can't be a reach from my POV. For the third time, just because you say something dosen't make it true. I find it hard another townie would be so overdefensive as to think everyone attacking them is scum.
Sorry you're going to be out of town, Guardian, but I don't think I can afford to let someone I think is scum hang around until hour, what, 3 or 4? just because you're out of town.Guardian wrote:Eh, w/e, just don't lynch me while I'm gone.
You think He's scum but put him at a high postision? Either Thats Scum distancing, Or Framing somone, or Just Plain dumb.Yosarian2 wrote:Sorry you're going to be out of town, Guardian, but I don't think I can afford to let someone I think is scum hang around until hour, what, 3 or 4? just because you're out of town.Guardian wrote:Eh, w/e, just don't lynch me while I'm gone.
Did you read my posts yesterday, Yogurt?YogurtBandit wrote: You think He's scum but put him at a high postision? Either Thats Scum distancing, Or Framing somone, or Just Plain dumb.
Vote:Yosarian2
Yosarian wrote: Strange as it may sound, I'd also be tempted to make Guardian assistant director, in the hopes that if he is scum we might be able to get an investigation on him before the director dies and lynch him if he's scum, and a scum assistant director can't really do any harm on his own; and OTOH, if he turns out to not be scum Guardian might not be a bad director. He's at least active and thinking about stratagy.
Deputy Director is a position that needs to be filled, and it's also a position that dosn't actually do anything, so if Guardian is scum he can't do any harm there at the moment. Granted if I get killed he'll become director, but hopefully before that happens we'll have a better idea of his alignment.Yosarian wrote: Deputy Director:
Guardian
Like I said, it's not a position where he can do a lot of harm as scum, and if town he wouldn't be a bad director. Just so long as I don't get killed before we figure out his alignment, should be all right. If I do get killed, keep a close eye on him.
I'll probably get killed after they read this and try to frame him.
