Mafia 63: Wolves - Game over!

[JordanA24]

If you read the post, I am implying that YOU are the one trying to get a townie lynched, not me. You can try to twist it to mean that I am scum and want to lynch Talitha, but that is ignoring every other things that I have said today. Feel free, though.

LOL, it came out of nowhere.
Right.

It still doesn't explain how you seem to know Tally is town, in fact, you're repeating it more than anything. If you wanted to say what you said there, you'd have said that in your very next post, you're giving me the impression you're flailing for excuses.

Pooky did come out of nowhere, what's the LOL for? Though, now I believe Pooky's post to be pro-town pressure on an increasingly scummy warewolf.

[Shanba]

Skruffs, the point is, which you seem to have completely and utterly missed, that you are implying prior knowledge of Talitha's alignment (I.E. you know she's town) that only scum would have.

[Skruffs]

No, Shanba, I'm not.
the LOL was actually a misunderstanding on my part - I thought Jordan's post right before ti was addressed to me, not pookie.

Listen, I don't *KNOW* that Talitha is town, but when I see Talitha's style of play and Jordan's style of play, I see Talitha as an EASY target, someone that he went after as soon as day started for no significant reason. She wanted to move the daya to day two because day one is just random accusations and finally getting someone lynched because they said the wrong things. Jordan pinged on that, which is NOT a scum tell in any way, and tried to orchestrate a lynch on them, including but nto limited to directing possible scum buddies into voting her.

So yeah, I took his statement that I was going after the obvious town lynch and switched it back on him, because HE was going after obvious town.

I can continue to repeat this, again, and again, and again. It was an Intentional play on words. If that sort of thing is suspicious and scary adn confusing, then, maybe it *is* better if you guys lynch me now, because I'm going to have a bad game, otherwise.

[Skruffs]

If I was going after the most convenient town lynch, I would have wagoned onto Talitha with you. That's not my perogative.
You are the one who keeps referring to it as a slip-up; which is it? Did you make a mistake in going after Talitha or are you happy with it? You seem to be implying that you think talitha is town by sayign you slipped up, btu then you get angry at people who don't like that you were going after her, etc, etc, circular reasoning, etc.

Are you sayign that lurkers are more likely to be town than scum? Who should town be going after day one, if not people who are not helping town? What's your reasoning behind that?

Read my post again.
Do I say I know Talitha is town? Is that the context?
Jordan and pookei immediately tried to turn this into a "claim or die" situation. Bubllpookie.

[Skruffs]

sorry, that's meant to be "Bullpookie"

[JordanA24]

Maybe you're the one who should read it again Skruffs, you quite clearly say:

If I was going after the most convenient town lynch, I would have wagoned onto Talitha with you.

You say Tally is the most convenient town lynch, therefore, you somehow Tally is town, three ways of knowing this:

1) You are scum
2) You are cop
3) You and Tally are masons

Which is it? And DON'T try and spin it or avoid the subject this time OK.

[Skruffs]

None of the above?
....
How about...
4) I disagree with your style of play.

And how about
If I was the cop, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.
If I was scum, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.
If I was a mason with Talitha, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.
If I was a regular townie, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.


Or how about this, how do WE know that YOU are the most convenient town lynch, as you declare yourself to be? Do you have a way to prove yourself? If not, why the hell are you trying to get me to prove Talitha's innocence with a claim, and not with simple logic, observation, and scum hunting skills?

[JordanA24]

....
How about...
4) I disagree with your style of play.

WHAT KIND OF AN ANSWER IS THAT?! WHO CARES IF YOU LIKE ME OR NOT? YOU DON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, YOU'RE SIMPLY MAKING YOURSELF MORE AND MORE OBVIOUS SCUM.

Might I point you to this:

And DON'T try and spin it or avoid the subject this time OK.

GOT IT?

Do you have a way to prove yourself?

If I did, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.

[Skruffs]

More hypocrisy.


You want me to claim A, B, or C, when none of the above is true. When I try to tell you - Again - that it is in fact D, and that you are trying to chose a round peg into a square hole, you call that spinning.

I believe I've been reasonable and expressed myself clearly. You can continue to try and "spin" Things, yourself, but all that's going to do is more deeply imbed my vote against your scummy, scummy skin. *poke* Like that.

[Miztef]

ugh, this thing is pretty ridiculous imo.

I can see how Skruffs used that as a figure of speech, he doesn't *HAVE* to know Talitha is town (I'm not saying she is!) to say that sentence. He could easily be working under that assumption and worded it in that way. I know I try to think like scum would when analyzing a certain player's actions, and it is possible that Skruffs feels it is extremely unlikely Talitha and Jordan are scumbuddies. In that case, he would assume Talitha is Town and Jordan is scum. Countless times I've seen people scream "aDFAdfadvaf is scum!! I knoWZz ITz!" yet they don't really know. People make assumptions for the sake of helping their logic in the game.

Fine, it's suspicious, I understand that. I also see it as somewhat suspicious, but he could still be a mason/cop if he does truely know that Talitha is town in that case anyways. Stop Screaming bloody murder, it's just plain bad play to try to convince the town that way.

What seems actually scummy to me, is Jordan and Pooky and doing all these accusations and yet aren't voting Skruffs! Even after he has said he won't answer what his alignment/role is. If you're so convinced of this, why not vote him?

and hell, maybe I'm wrong about all this, maybe skruffs is the scummiest scum of all frickin time, but I think this evidence is not as concrete as some of you see it to be, and is not a valid reason to lynch Skruffs.

[JordanA24]

I am voting Skruffs.

I still believe Skruffs is covering up, it was still very suspicious, if it truly wasn't a slip, you definatly worded it very poorly.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Miztef is so scum

[Miztef]

Thanks Pooky, you seem to think anyone that disagrees with you is scum.

Do you not see the upsurdity of just claiming people are definate scum, especially for something like the wording of a sentence? You do this all the time Pooky (in other games as well) and I think it's just plain bad play, if not scummy. Maybe your looking for reations, I don't really know. However, I've seen a person write "If I were not scum" and not be lynched over, only a few suspcicious FoS's at most. At least they didn't blow it out of proportions, like you 2 seem to be doing.

Why has no one voted for Skruffs still? I totally don't understand this! You guys seem so convinced to the point of being your own religion, yet no one's doing anything about it. Are you waiting for some pro-town players to come on board and vote for him first?

Skruffs Post 527 makes sense to me. That's your answer. Not any of this A B or C stuff you keep instisting must be the case.

[JordanA24]

Why has no one voted for Skruffs still?

Miztef, maybe you should research your facts before making statements like that, I'm already voting Skruffs, and I said so a few posts ago.

[Miztef]

oh, that is a bad mistake on my part, I kinda skimmed over your last post and misinterpreted. I was only looking from the point this thing came up. Sorry.

Well, it was mostly intending at Pooky anyway (Who I'm fairly sure isn't voting Skruffs).

Vote Count

please.

hmmm, I'm gonna have to reread Skruff's posts. I'm really struggling with this situation. I don't want to just go with the crowd just for the sake of doing so, but skruffs

was

under suspicion before this even happened, maybe there is something to this besides a sentence mess-up.

I would like to see some more opinions on this too though. I mean, at least half the players haven't even commented on it.

[JordanA24]

This game is being killed by lurkers.

[Shanba]

*cough*

I'm trying desperately to think of a way that doesn't characterise Pooky's quick attack on Miztef as OMGUS.

Unvote Vote: Pooky

I mean, Mistef is scummy and all, but the timing there is atrociously scummy.

[Phoebus]

Vote count etc. in about 24h.
Sorry about the absence.

[DragonsofSummer]

I don't really fair that you are pushing Skruffs so hard on this either guys. Its his right to believe that Talli is the most pro-town and therefore say that if he was going after the most pro-town lynch he would try to lynch her. It doesn't imply anything other than that he believes Talli is more town looking than the rest of us right now.

[Battle Mage]

Skruffs, you are flogging a dead horse now. Here's the advice you once gave to me:
Look at other players, and comment on them. You two both arguing with each other isn't doing you any favours.

[Phoebus]

Vote count:

2 Battle Mage (~N9V~, Pooky)
2 JordanA24 (Skruffs, Talitha)
2 Niempie (Dragons of Summer, theopor_COD)

1 Pooky (Shanba)

2 Skruffs (Battle Mage, Jordan)

4 not voting

7 to lynch, 4 at deadline.

Deadline 2: 1700 GMT, Monday the 9th of July

This day ends at the time given above.

[JordanA24]

I'm voting for Skruffs.

Fixed it, thanks.

[theopor_COD]

BM talks sense what the heck.

Skruffs and Jordan need to get a room and calm down. Mind I wouldn't say Tally has done anything outrageous to appear so much more townie than anyone else.

Niempie needs more votes.

I don't understand DoS's latest post.

Miztef needs to read the thread.

[Miztef]

lol theo, that's a pretty good summary. (I do agree with me needing to read the thread better)

This Niepie bandwagon needs a bit more evidence imo. Maybe I do need to recap myself on the evidence already presented though.

[theopor_COD]

Evidence . . . what is this MI5.

Go down to the bottom of the page display all posts by Niempie.

Read them all and figure out
a) where she's being pro-town
b) where she genuinely seems to be scum hunting
c) where she expresses a vaguely valid opinion of her own

I just see a load of here posts, will re-read, comment on an old argument, no real personal opinions and not much evidence of a re-read. I think the scummers are in a pretty strong situation in this game hence we need to be a little more proactive in catching em.