Micro 438: Greatest Idea Mafia - Game Over

[Micc]

theslimer3 replaces Anti_Slimer.

VoteCount 2.02

eyestott (1)

: MrTrow

theslimer3 (1)

: guille2015

Not Voting (4)

: Espeonage, Alchemist21, eyestott, theslimer3

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to Lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline

: The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2015-01-24 11:50:00).

[Alchemist21]

Tell me one game where that question actually got answered

Then what do you think of Guille?

[Espeonage]

I will admit I haven't actually read much of Trow's posting. It's dense and needs formatting. So he's a null.

guille could be scums, but I think it will become completely obvious what his alignment is considering he all but confirmed that I read his softclaim properly so he doesn't need to be lynched today.

Alch is town until further notice.

That leaves istott and slimer for the last two options for scum.

Has stott claimed who he targeted last night and what the result was?

Is a massclaim of everyone but alch a good idea?

[eyestott]

(back to the post i was actually writing)
ow and to what extend you believe 'town should know, breadcrumbing is useless, yet he did -> must be scum' was a factor in his lynch, is completely irrelevant.

Fact remains: you made that argument knowing fully well it wasn't true.
After all you are a more experienced player than he is, have experience regarding breadcrumbing in particular
AND STILL felt the need to start a discussion-thread to figure out the proper way to handle breadcrumbs.
there is no way you genuinely believed a player less experienced than you should know 'breadcrumbing role as town isn't helpful'

Look back. I never said that him breadcrumbing was a point against him. I said that my most recent experience was me fakecrumbing. I meant that breadcrumbing doesnt automatically make it so.
The reason I made the discussion thread was because breadcrumbing was being discussed in the AAR of an offsite game, and being the only player in that game to also be an active member of MS, I decided to make that post on behalf of the whole game, not just myself. To be honest, I havent really kept up with that thread.
I never said I believed that last sentence.

You were pushing a false case and are therefore the proud holder of my vote.

As in, I was wrong, so I'm scum?

Also would you kindly justify the detail you just conveniently skipped:
the 'popcorn order' is 'most scummy(one who is most likely to have to come up with a fakeclaim) first(as to rob them of the claims of those who answer truthfully)'
you you chose to consider the person you have a COP-INNOCENT on as the most likely to be scum who has yet to reveal.
WHY?

Well, I had already pretty much figured out Espeonage's role (I was right, seeing his claim), and Guille is someone I know. I wanted to get discussion going quickly, so i chose one of the most active players of yesterday. In hindsight, I realise I should have chosen someone else. The problem is, no one else had posted enough for me to have a read on them. Also, Cop Innocent in this game doesnt mean complete innocence.

Don't you think it's possible that towncopeyestott could have taken the chance and lynched him?

Sorry could you rephrase this one.
Either i don't follow or it screams: "but i would have done the same if i were town"

No, I'm saying: Okay, you can see a scum motivation for my actions. Do you see a town motivation?

Hey everyone. I havent read up yet, but this game is low priority at the moment as I'm near deadline for a bunch of my games.
Apologies.

Any indication when there might fall a hole in that moment?
i'm not asking when those deadlines are (as i know it is against the rules to discuss those and i already know)
i'm asking when you might be bothered to address things like:

- hammer for poetry
- why did you counter-claim cop when you could have just hammered?
- why did you popcorn to your innocent?

O dear lynch-leader.
i might even consider dropping issues like
- defense by same poetry
- disappearance act at time of lynch-leader

I'm here(ish) now. None are EOD, one of them resulted in a loss because I chose wrong as a Conf.town in lylo.
However, I am pretty busy ATM because I'm in the last 11 hours of signups for my first real modded game (offsite), and I still need one more person by then or my game will be moved to the bottom of the queue, so I have been and will be trying to get more people before then.
What i meant by "hammer for poetry" is taht, in my eyes, the hammerer is the person who actually ends the discussion. I was saying "I'm so confident that He's fakeclaiming that I should be the one to hammer".
Ive hardly been the lynch leader today.
To be honest, I wasnt thinking when i claimed. I should have just hammered, but, having never had someone claim my role before, I pretty much automatically CC'ed.


I will get to your 219 soon, its mostly correct, but not completely.

[eyestott]

Espeonage: I investigated Guille and got not mafia.

[Espeonage]

Cheers, that pretty much clears him from being group scum.

Ok I'm pretty happy with going ahead with a lynch on slimer or Trow then. Slimer's choice to not answer a direct question puts him ahead on the list though.

Vote: slimer

[Espeonage]

@Mod: If someone were to have the role Town Mason and there were no other Masons in the game, would they become IC or Chocolate Townie?

[Alchemist21]

Votes on Slimer are bad and based on bad PoE.

[Espeonage]

Lets say that we only have wolves.

Wolves have to shoot you or guille.
If they shoot you and guille is SK not Vig then guille will win if we lynch trow or slimer because guille should shoot the other.

That means wolves would have to shoot guille, guille's kill should go through because NAR.

That leaves you, me and istott left in final three if game isn't over and we lynch istott for the win, if the game isn't already over.

[Espeonage]

btw, No Lynching is bad because we probs will end up with 4 person endgame otherwise.

I will say that yes I am assuming that GiF protected Alch and Alch didn't get shot.

[Micc]

@Mod: If someone were to have the role Town Mason and there were no other Masons in the game, would they become IC or Chocolate Townie?

They would still be a Town Mason. Their role would not change dependent on the number of other masons in the game.

[theslimer3]

I don't like guille's reason to revote Diego. I can't say what's scummy about it though other than an opportunity to lynch a cop, but that would fit for everyone on the wagon.
But other than that, he's thinking clearly, no scummy motives in his ways of speaking.

And this Espeonage speculation session is extremely circumstancial. If Guile is SK then what would that change really? He's not group scum, yay. But that won't really disprove him as scum. Not even for a long shot because, once again, still could be scum.
I'm not sure why you're dismissing that so simply. And leaving him to be shot won't exactly be a garuntee. We do have a cop, so a mafia faction would probably aim towards that if we had one.

If we no-lynch and tell Guille not to shoot, then we'll have 5 of us, confirm a non-mafia, and if Guille is dead, we didn't really need him anyway since a vig in mylo is hella dangerous.
If there's a no-kill,that would probably mean we have some stupid scum, or confirm a lyncher/Jester/whatever else third party has no kills

[Espeonage]

The potential of guile being SK makes scum have to deal with him if I don't get lynched because no one is going to shoot me and I am saying I would vote anyone other than alch over guille. Thus in three person endgame with myself guille and a scum, scum would lose to guille SK, so they have to deal with him.

Guille wouldn't not shoot in your proposal because we dun know how many mafia.

The only argument for no lynching is if you think that GiF stopped a kill and we would have three shots tomorrow night.

[Espeonage]

Jester would have claimed yesterday. I explicitly asked for jester's to claim and neither you nor trow are playing jesterish thus we have no jester.

And no one has made a play on their target if they were a lyncher. So I doubt we have one of them either.

[Espeonage]

I am fairly certain that it would take a monumental fuck up for town to not win this game.

[Espeonage]

I still want slimer and trow to claim though, probs alch too. We already have half the playerlist claimed.

[Alchemist21]

Eyestott claimed cop. You say Guille is softclaiming something (mason?). Where is your claim?

[theslimer3]

Well I guess it wouldn't hurt to say it now

I'm a roleblocker. I roleblocked Eyestott. That's why I think he's making up the whole cop thing up, since he should have gotten a "no result"
But since the kills went through and all is well, I think he can't be scum

[Espeonage]

Ok, Eyestott was counterclaiming Diego's Cop claim. It seems reasonable to me to think he'd take the 1-for-1 trade because he thought he was catching scum.

I think I want Esp and Guille both dead now.

I might claim my intentions from day 1.

My aims for day 1:
1. Become a kill target.
2. Avoid town power roles wanting to target me.

I figured that the easiest way to do this was to;
a. Clear someone so any protective actions hit them.
b. Be in a position where I could get investigates to not target me.
c. Either be super townie, which was never going to happen given my history of preferring scum roles.
d. Find a way to get shot outside this.

When diego was getting run up and was put under pressure I wanted to try and see if he would crack under extra votes, as I could then get a quick lynch, quickly cover what I needed to for (b) and then take a leadership role in the town to draw the kill. This was backed up after I accomplished (a) with my setup spec so scum wouldn't shoot alch. If I ended the day spearheading a quick scum lynch I'd get shot thus accomplishing all of my goals for the day.

I am a 1-shot PGO.

My claim

[Espeonage]

Guille softed and then confirmed I was correct. He is a vig.

[Alchemist21]

Is your PGO active or passive?

[Espeonage]

Well I guess it wouldn't hurt to say it now

I'm a roleblocker. I roleblocked Eyestott. That's why I think he's making up the whole cop thing up, since he should have gotten a "no result"
But since the kills went through and all is well, I think he can't be scum

:/

That doesn't make sense as reasoning because there are potentially up to three groupscums, two of which have a nightly kill. And a vig.

istott, why did you say you had a result?

I have an idea of what might have happened but unless that is what he says I'm pretty happy to straight up lynch istott then.

[Espeonage]

Is your PGO active or passive?

Activates first night I get targeted by an action and for that night I shoot everyone that targets me.

[Espeonage]

Seems likely it didn't get popped last night.

I don't know if I get notified when it goes off.

[eyestott]

Okay, I'm just going to look through the Role list and see if there is a plausible explanation to me getting a result even when i was supposedly roleblocked.