In post 6284, Slandaar wrote:
In post 6186, Thor665 wrote:Or is it you're trying to sell me that Josh is Mafia?
Nah - I find that unlikely, his play works fine for Wolf and, in my opinion, moreso than Mafia.
You are not alone in this thought apparently. Perhaps you can help me understand this viewpoint?
In post 6372, Slandaar wrote:
Why did you decide not to respond to this;
In post 6284, Slandaar wrote:You are not alone in this thought apparently. Perhaps you can help me understand this viewpoint?
? Perhaps you could.
Response:
It continued.
In post 6409, Slandaar wrote:What does matter is you or Boon explaining to me why you think Pine isn't mafia/is a wolf. Yet both of you have failed to answer this. I assume you can explain why?
In post 6413, Thor665 wrote:My reasoning for thinking he's a Wolf is based on my setup spec - are you unaware of it?
In post 6418, Slandaar wrote: In post 6186, Thor665 wrote:Nah - I find that unlikely, his play works fine for Wolf and, in my opinion, moreso than Mafia.
So, it's not just the Setup spec.
Clarify?
In post 6422, Slandaar wrote:Last time you showed me a VC it had 7 votes and you were like 'look no mafia gotta be Boon!'. Do you have any actual 'wagon analysis'?
In post 6427, Slandaar wrote:
He was 7th on a wagon where there are no other mafia present. It's incredibly weak reasoning.
Show me this wagon analysis.
In post 6453, Thor665 wrote:I have already - that's why you're calling it weak over and over, because you saw it and decided it was weak. Why do you want to see it again, have you forgotten why you are calling it weak or something?
So, below is Thor's entire wagon analysis which is the reasoning for Boon as mafia and Pine as wolf in 6186. That is all I could get from him on numerous attempts to do so. It may aswell be nothing, considering Thor talks of reactions and interactions lets call it puzzling that he doesn't have any for his own scumreads - his reasoning is non existant.
In post 6164, Thor665 wrote:
So you think this looks fine?
In post 5997, Boonskiies wrote:GRAY is unflipped who are not mafia.
[7]
PeregrineV
:
Egg
,
Thor665
,
Muffin
,
Scripten
,
davesaz
,
The Fonz
,
Boonskiies
[4]
Thor
:
goodmorning
,
Nero Cain
,
flubbernugget
,
PeregrineV
[3]
Aneninen
:
T S O
,
Pine
,
Shiro
[2]
T S O
:
AxleGreaser
,
Aneninen
[1]
Shiro
:
reinoe
[1]
Scripten
:
DGB
[3] Not Voting:
Slandaar
,
beastcharizard
,
Tiershift
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That is the weakest reasoning I have ever seen.
Here is another 7 man wagon, where is the mafia?
In post 891, Aegor wrote: [7]PeregrineV: Egg, Thor665, Muffin, Aneninen, Scripten, davesaz, Tiershift
Is it Thor? eh no...
It's manipulative using one 7 man wagon instead of the final wagon which he posted later but isn't used in the wagon analysis. Why use the 7 man wagon where Boon is conveniently 7th vote and not the full 12 man or any of the other iterations of the PV wagon?
In post 2551, Aegor wrote:[12]PeregrineV: Egg, Thor665, Scripten, The Fonz, davesaz, TierShift, Shiro, T S O, Garmr, AxleGreaser, Muffin, Boonskiies
Leaves TSO, Garmr(Pine) and Boon. Seems much more sensible if you are going to be saying there should be mafia on the PV wagon to use this iteration instead of just choosing a random iteration to suit your needs.
His only other reasoning is the setup spec. I think the easiest way to demonstrate this isn't correct is just to challenge you all to produce a normal game where the setup was solvable as this is essentially what you are attempting with 'setup patterns'. They just don't exist they do not match the point of normal games. Thor should know this.
I would also suggest in a hypothetical situation where you have a solveable setup then this is only protown which leads to much less town power. Claimed roles here would hugely exceed balance of Odd Rolecop/Even RB/Goon vs Goon/X/X this means then that Thor and Boon are scum. Unless one is lying about their role then they are both wolves in said instance even then one is mafia one is wolf. There is no way town gets 6 PR and a solvable setup vs what are two limited PR's and a Goon. 5? no. The 4 flipped including a cop and tracker? (no but this is hypothetical anyways at this point).
I have more to come tomorrow. This was really just one point that Thor's reasoning is completely lacking when it comes to why Boon/Pine are wolf/mafia.