Mafia 63: Wolves - Game over!

[JordanA24]

What gives you the impression I'm panicking?

[Miztef]

The sheer number of posts, many of which defensive, lead me to that concludsion.

That's not to say your being irrational, I just believe you feel all accusations against you are unfairly being presented. Therefore, it's become a bit of a panic for you.

Maybe that is a bit too harsh of a word for it though, frustrated is maybe a better term?

In any case, I don't feel it is scummy behaviour in itself.

[Battle Mage]

*gives BM a bucket of bait*
THe difference between me fishing and you fishing is that I catch fish. You catch rubber boots. *nod*

actually no. the difference between me fishing and you fishing, is that i tend to fish in an attempt to help the town. You dont seem to mind what consequences your fishing has.

oh and

Unvote, Vote: Skruffs

[theopor_COD]

vote niempie

And before you ask this has nothing to do with her lack of posts recently. It's entirely day one related mainly.

[Jingolaw]

I'm interested to see how the DoS situation turns out. It seems that he could be lurking, or possibly have some sort of post restriction.

I don’t buy “post restriction.” It’s been too long since the prod, I think; this looks like scum-induced lurking.

FOS: Dragons of Summer

.

I agree with skruffs that Jordan seems to be in a bit of a panic mode, but I could easily see that as a pro-town panic, not nessisarily scum.

Maybe. But panic is generally scummy, as townies will normally defend themselves within reason, and then either claim or resign themselves. Here, I think Skruffs got Jordan flustered..not necessarily panicked.

@ BM: I agree that Skruffs seems a bit random, but I don’t see that as scummy at this point; I mean fishing at this point doesn’t seem unwarranted, does it? In any case, it seems a bit hasty to cast (get it?) a vote for Scruffs just for fishing. Just saying.

[JordanA24]

Frustrated is better, though, I suppose you have to expect scum to try and make town look scummy, it's only their job.

Theo's made quite a good catch there, Niempie's posts have been very noncommittal and very cautious so far.

[Battle Mage]

oh my vote isnt just as a result of his fishing. However, im getting a negative feeling about him in this game. I probably need to reread his predecessor, but the pressure vote might encourage him to participate more avidly.

BM

I'm interested to see how the DoS situation turns out. It seems that he could be lurking, or possibly have some sort of post restriction.

I don’t buy “post restriction.” It’s been too long since the prod, I think; this looks like scum-induced lurking.

FOS: Dragons of Summer

.

I agree with skruffs that Jordan seems to be in a bit of a panic mode, but I could easily see that as a pro-town panic, not nessisarily scum.

Maybe. But panic is generally scummy, as townies will normally defend themselves within reason, and then either claim or resign themselves. Here, I think Skruffs got Jordan flustered..not necessarily panicked.

@ BM: I agree that Skruffs seems a bit random, but I don’t see that as scummy at this point; I mean fishing at this point doesn’t seem unwarranted, does it? In any case, it seems a bit hasty to cast (get it?) a vote for Scruffs just for fishing. Just saying.

[Shanba]

I totally

Vote Miztef

Let's butcher him.

Other people who have pinged like glass when you flick it with a finger: Jordan, BM, theo, ~n9v~, DoS, Niempie.

Substantialness coming later. These are simply my gut feelings on a quick readthrough.

[Battle Mage]

I totally

Vote Miztef

Let's butcher him.

Other people who have pinged like glass when you flick it with a finger: Jordan, BM, theo, ~n9v~, DoS, Niempie.

Substantialness coming later. These are simply my gut feelings on a quick readthrough.

lol you've basically listed all the players who have posted, or been mentioned over the last few posts. Only player exempt is Skruffs.
any reason for this?

[Miztef]

That's nice Shanba. I'm an easily persuaded guy, I'll admit to that, but outright voting me with intent to butcher.... that's a little over the top in my books.

I look forward to your reasoning behind it.

[Shanba]

Actually, I missed one too. Jingo should be on there. It would have been quicker to list players I didn't find scummy XD.

[JordanA24]

So basically Shanba, almost all the active people in this game (barring Skruffs, who's scummy anyway), and the lurkers who everyone has been going after are scummy. Yeah.

Scumbuddies anyone?

[Skruffs]

Why is not saying I am scum, a scum tell? Weird.

I don't really care that BM is voting for me... from past experience in other games, that's

more powerful than a cop claim

in clearing me. BM refuses to vote scum and always votes townies and power roles. Normally I don't bring other games into other games, but if BM is going to, I will, too.

BM, sorry if I seem negative, but I think the wagon on Talitha for saying that a lurker - someone not participating in the game - should be lynched over someone who is talking, day one, is a ridiculous argument. Jordan later on pushed that someone was suspicious for lurking, or something to that effect, which is hypocrisy. I'm sorry if I seem 'negative' in not falling for overly contrived wagons.

[JordanA24]

Why is not saying I am scum, a scum tell? Weird.

Maybe you should read the thread or your PM box, that might explain it.

Jordan later on pushed that someone was suspicious for lurking, or something to that effect, which is hypocrisy.

Where the HELL did I say that?

[Skruffs]

Well, Someone did.
I think I'm in too many games, I'm being stretched too thin. I can't keep up! And it's making my game play suffer.

So you are saying that Shanba is scum, and that he would intentionally leave me out of his 'scum list', even though I'm way out there, because me and him are buddies together? Wouldn't that be counter productive?
Wouldn't it be more likely that Shanba, as scum, would put a mixture of his scum buddies in with obvious town, which would then leave a bread crumb trail back to someone else, so that if he got lynched, suspicion would fall on that other player?
I don't see how Shanba's post has anything to do with my alignment or role. Maybe he's neutral on me, neither town or scum.

Fact is I don' think many people OTHER than Talitha, Jordan, and myself have been posting much since day started. We are the only three that I remember sayign anything worth remarking about.

[JordanA24]

So you are saying that Shanba is scum, and that he would intentionally leave me out of his 'scum list', even though I'm way out there, because me and him are buddies together? Wouldn't that be counter productive?
Wouldn't it be more likely that Shanba, as scum, would put a mixture of his scum buddies in with obvious town, which would then leave a bread crumb trail back to someone else, so that if he got lynched, suspicion would fall on that other player?

Am I missing something really obvious, that or that statement really doesn't make much sense, why would he put obvious town in with his scumbuddies?

[Skruffs]

Why would scum say everyone but his scum buddies were scum?

[JordanA24]

Why would scum say everyone but his scum buddies were scum?

I don't think he's got all town in his list, especially since he's included Niempie and DOS (nothing to do with lurkiness, his Day 1 posts I think were scummy).

[Skruffs]

Then why are you so confused about why he would put town mixed in with his scum buddies?

[JordanA24]

Then why are you so confused about why he would put town mixed in with his scum buddies?

Because you said "obvious town".

[theopor_COD]

I'd rather we burnt someone to a crisp than any butchering.

[Battle Mage]

thats the weakest meta-gaming ever. seriously you're getting as bad as MoS for inflated ego.
i dont accept apologies from potential scum.
BM

Why is not saying I am scum, a scum tell? Weird.

I don't really care that BM is voting for me... from past experience in other games, that's

more powerful than a cop claim

in clearing me. BM refuses to vote scum and always votes townies and power roles. Normally I don't bring other games into other games, but if BM is going to, I will, too.

BM, sorry if I seem negative, but I think the wagon on Talitha for saying that a lurker - someone not participating in the game - should be lynched over someone who is talking, day one, is a ridiculous argument. Jordan later on pushed that someone was suspicious for lurking, or something to that effect, which is hypocrisy. I'm sorry if I seem 'negative' in not falling for overly contrived wagons.

[DragonsofSummer]

Jingolaw I have been lurking terribly in every game I'm in across the board because my whole life has been taken over by work lately. I've been able to get on for roughly 5-10 mins a day and haven't had time to really keep up with any of it. But I was talking to Phoebus about the prod yesterday, and he did not want to replace me (I don't blame him, and I really did intend to be more involved in this game when I replaced in.)

So I am posting now, and no I don't have a post restriction either.

From top of the list down:

~N9V~

: Has posted a total of 6 times with no content ever. Potential scum.

Ancalagon

: Hasn't posted since May 31, but seemed to be trying on day one. Possible town.

Battle Mage

: He has been playing the way I have always seen him play, and as such I have no real read on him. I always think he is scummy.

Jingolaw

: Has been trying the whole game with various posts full of content, though he has not posted as much as some others, he is trying to find the scum in my eyes. Probable town.

JordanA24

: Has been saying a lot, while saying very little at the same time. He is trying, but I'm not sure what he is trying to do. Could be scum, could be town.

Miztef

Has been pursuing Jordan as scum for much of today. But has said why he is doing so. I'm not sure about him either.

Niempie

: Lurked and then attacked Skruffs, and then went back to lurking. Probable scum.

Pooky

I can never tell if Pooky is serious or not. Has made a lot of "joke" statements, but throws in a post with tons of content and reason every once in a while. Possible town.

Theopor_COD

I get a very town feel from Theo's posts, but can't really put my finger on why.

Talitha

Many have called her scum for reasons I don't understand, but I don't find a lot of content in any of her posting either. Could be either town or scum.

Skruffs

Replaced into the game and has succeeded where many others, including myself have failed, in contributing to the game. I get a town feeling from him right now.

Fielding Melish

... I got nothing here... not even from the people he was replacing... 4 posts total between the three of them.

So I will

Vote Niempie

[theopor_COD]

Good posting ^^

Mind Fielding Melish is now Shanba, I'll let you off that.

[Shanba]

I don't find the talitha push all too scummy. The game was at a snail's pace at that point, and there were no real scummy people to vote for. I probably would have said something like that.

Even now, after re-reading, I have no real indication of who looks very scummy.

There are some things I noted though:

Pooky's massive quote thingies, very annoying, I couldn't follow them well, and they didn't seem to provide as much substance as I'd thought they would. Same with theAdmirals giant quote walls. Ancalagon said it best I believe:

Pooky's arguments are ridiculous.

Twito's by far the worst sarcasm/joker. I don't think any of his posts have real substance, he might as well be lurking, and if they do have real substance, It got jumbled in the mess of "I'm drunk" and "I'm on vacation" posts. I get the feeling this is how he usually plays, but I just don't like it at this time.

I do like Battle mage's and Jingolaw's posts for the post part. I'm inclined to think these players are pro-town, but that could easily change. More people should post in a manner as reasonable and clear as theirs.

This is a post that's fairly typical of Miztef's play this game: he's generally been agreeable and polite, and it's nice to read his posts. But they give me a horribly scummy feel. Several times, Miztef has said he doesnt know who is suspicious, then gone on to to list a few things he finds suspicious, and then not actually voted anyone. The amount of player he's poked at without ever really comitting is extraordinary: he's given himself plenty of wiggle room should he need it. Whether he feels a player is scum or town, he's consistently weak about it.

My gut says battlemage is protown, but this vote seems a bit overconfident.

I think pooky is going a bit overboard with BattleMage, but theopor's info is a bit disconcerning, although it doesn't provide enough solid evidence that BM is scum for me to vote him. I'm happy putting out a FOS: BM though.

@pooky: well, I think he deserves a bit of observation, but I'm not going out with my pitchfork yet. I think that's better then just outright lynching Battlemage on principle as you said to do.

but fine, just to make you happy, I'll unFOS: Battle Mage. There, now if he gets lynched without me voting him and turns out scum, I have no ass cover-up.

These quotes in series really make me cringe. Do you have a spine? Speak up, I say! Considering you haven't so much as FoSsed anyone at all since you entered the game, this really pings to me. The only player who you've actually indicated a suspicion of is the one you repeatedly indicated was po-town. That is, until you do something similar with Theo.

I'm kinda suspicious of Talitha

right now, because of that latest prod comment in addition to

eariler suspicion of her

.

Jordan doesn't seem very scummy to me

, but Theo's attacks are a bit harsh to me,

which I could see as really scummy, or really pro-town

. I think I'll go with my gut and say it's scummy though. Unvote Vote: Theopor_COD

I kind of don't like Jordan's vote on skruffs

, as I feel it is more OMGUS and an emotional vote rather then much evidence agaisnt him.

It's a toss up between

Theo, Skruffs and Jordan

for me at this time.

Theo seems to just be doing his regular playstyle, so I am seeing a bit of the light in him (it's like a tiny wax candle in a gaint cave though

) Skruffs play seems inconsistant and sometimes just a little too harsh, but overall he has been one the of the most helpful players.

Jordan....... Jordan..... Jordan..... I just don't know what to think here. There's vote-hopping, weird votes, odd speculations, and incosistances, but all in all, nothing major

. I know I do scummy things all the time without even knowing it, and I feel that Jordan may be in that same posisiton, as a pro-town.

At this time, I have to pick theo out of all the choices as my most scummy. I'm gonna need a bit more of a push to switch my vote.

BM's comment about this not being Theo's normal playstyle seems overly confident.

I have played with Theo before, and his playstyle here seems little different then in that instance (that game is not yet completed however, and I don't know if he is scum or not in that game).

I have liked alot of theo's latest posts, and will therefore unvote for the time being.

Another series of quotes that really make me cringe. (Underlining mine)
1: I don't think he ever ws suspicious of Tally earlier. In fact, he actively defended her. Also, his reasoning for suspecting her is weak beyond belief.

2: His position on Jordan does a 180 in two posts. This worries me.

3: Despite just saying he thought Tally was scummy, and not mentioning Skruffs much at all up to then, he lists his top three as Theo, Patrick and skruffs

4: His position on Theo is inconsistent: Is theo playing his normal playstyle or not? How can BM's comment be overconfident if you gree with what he's saying? Does the fact that theo made some nice looking posts counteract his earlier aggression?

5: Who are you suspicious of now?

The others I'll get to later.