Mini 1636: Mafialand Mayhem! - [Game Over]

[evilpacman18]

@Anen: Is that a serious vote or a random vote?

isn't it quite obvious?

[evilpacman18]

I don't believe in obvious when it comes to mafia. Any question is a good question. You never know how someone will answer.

Then why did you single him out over anyone else who made a presumably "random" vote?

[evilpacman18]

@evilpacman18 is that you playing piano?

Yeah!

I don't believe in obvious when it comes to mafia. Any question is a good question. You never know how someone will answer.

Then why did you single him out over anyone else who made a presumably "random" vote?

Because I thought it might not be random.

what of his post made it seem to you like it could be not "random." I can pick out at least two votes so far that seem like more thought went into them than his.

[evilpacman18]

48 hours already? Wow

[evilpacman18]

Gimme a couple more hours

[evilpacman18]

I have to say I don't like where the conversation went in the early pages of the game. I'm looking at the page 3 exchange between ckd and Wake88 that I don't like a lot. Ckd asks Wake two shitty questions. I think Ckd seems more town, he's prodding a lot which, fine, although I would've liked him to do more with the answers Wake gave to "what is an acceptable fluff ratio" and "what do you think of someone confirming but not posting." The first question in particular works really well as a trap and I hope that's what ckd meant it for and Wake might have fallen for it. "Fluff" of course is definition-less

[evilpacman18]

shit I was in the middle of writing that hold on, I'll just continue from where I left off but I needa finish reading and stuff.

[evilpacman18]

"Fluff" of course is definition-less, completely subjected to context, and probably scummier when it is made to seem like it is content. For instance, I would probably be less likely to see it as scummy fluff if someone had a really long discussion about jam recipes than if someone posted a lot of stuff that seems like content and tried to pass it off. This is why I think it is scummy when people spend too much time talking about game rules and semantics. But again, context, and the worst thing about 67 I think is that Wake answers ckd's question without seeming to think in terms of context.

Lapsa can be a bit short and I think some people are mistaking that for being uncooperative but he seems town to me and actually answers most things he is asked. Agree with ckd's 81.

Luca looks way scummier than Katie in their page 4 exchange and I don't trust monkeyman for opting to vote for her... or him. hi sthar.

I'm scumreading Wake and MonkeyMan right now.
Glad Aeronaut recognizes ckd's questions are bullshit in 178.

still a bit more to read but I want a breakfast burrito.

[evilpacman18]

Is that fluff? Hopefully it's within my designated fluff-to-content ratio

[evilpacman18]

Monkeyman, I agree with droog and do not think you are being misrepped. I would guess there is some consensus among other players about that too. So let's assume that droog is not actually misrepping but to give you the benefit of the doubt let's say that your posts just came off poorly. Please clarify what you were trying to say and how there is town intent behind it. Also notice that droog did not vote you but you voted him instantly. That is very reactionary and easy to read as scummy defensiveness. So let's hear about that too please.

[evilpacman18]

Lol ninja'd

[evilpacman18]

but I'm saying you weren't. Multiple people are saying you weren't which should tell you, if you are town, that you probably were easy to misunderstand and should restate what you said with more clarity. Being stubborn about it is not helpful. And your either/or dichotomy is shitty too, first of all those aren't the only two things possible out of droog's play, not to mention you can't really call it reactionary when the post in question was posted before he was even in this game. And "he's going to do this the rest of the game" is a slippery slope obviously, but even if it were true or if you actually believe that, wouldn't it be better to wait until that pans out? Until it is proven true? You voted him in your first post (basically) after he stated a single suspicion of you.

[evilpacman18]

I wouldn't call it peace-making. I was giving monkey the opportunity to be reasonable and subsequently look more town or dig himself farther into a hole. He chose the hole.

[evilpacman18]

Are you scum anen cuz that's such a useless "look at how town I am" type thing to say.

[evilpacman18]

I was gonna post today but I drank instead so proddodge

[evilpacman18]

changing your mind as the game progresses
shows willing to lynch anybody
and is scummy
as opposed to being consistent

we could do this all day monkey
whatsy our point

No that's not true, monkey is right in this case.
But monkey is also super stubborn and hypocrisy is scummy.
Wow what a mess

Let's lynch anen

[evilpacman18]

I used to think anen's name was hard too, |||| but if you separate it into two groups of four letters it's like oh this is actually not a vowel clusterfuck

[evilpacman18]

Really you're just gonna softclaim like that

[evilpacman18]

Fine

vote: monkeyman

[evilpacman18]

Is that only an American term? I can't imagine you're 26 and didn't know what busty meant unless we only use it in America and you are not American

[evilpacman18]

Anen you can't say "you'll regret lynching me" and then get suspicious of me if I decide I don't wanna lynch you -_-

[evilpacman18]

unvote

reading. I'm not ignoring you Luca, just have been skimming the past few days cuz I was hooked on season 1 of American Horror Story. But I finished. Fuck Tate.

[evilpacman18]

Pacman

He doesn't participate in RVS himself- instead choosing to question Monkey's question of Anen's vote, over whether it was random or not. Pacman's question was pretty counter-productive, and even if Monkey's question was pretty stupid, why not just let it play out? It feels like he is finding an easy way to settle into the game, as RVS can be awkward for some as Mafia.

this makes me want to ignore you though. And I'm not answering 235, what is there to answer? I already said what I thought of Lapsa's early game, if you disagree well. idk. sorry.

[evilpacman18]

I haven't really posted much now that I see my ISO in one post but I think there's a few misunderstandings or misreps, whether you're town or scum idk. But I wasn't accusing CKD of trying to trap Wake, I was actually HOPING that he was trying to trap wake because that's the only way those questions made sense. On my 253/257 though, if you seriously think it's scummy that I'm interrupting I'm gonna have to call bullshit. First of all I just posted because I was online. Do you expect anybody to not post when they come on?? Like how is it town to say "oh I'm here but let me not contribute to the conversation because I should let it play out between other people" let alone expect someone else to do that. And your comments on 283, besides their clear misunderstanding of what I said regarding CKD/Wake, also clearly misrepresent the fact that I tried to let Monkey help himself by being moderate and reasonable, and he chose not to. It wasn't a trap, it was just questions and like any question in mafia there's a town-seeming way to answer and a scum-seeming way to answer and he answered the scum-seeming way. It's only a trap insofar as any question is a trap so to call it that is, again, misrepresentation.

[evilpacman18]

I like

Monkey's

fluency of thought.
Will unvote for now.

vote: MonkeyMan576

????!!
Just why, Lapsa, why?!?
Keep producing shytty posts and shytty context for your votes and you're get lynched because of them. Possible scum or possible useless townie, that's my read on you right now.

(Reading the latest posts thoroughly and answering them will happen later; need to go to work right now.)

wait arent you voting Monkeyman too? if Monkeyman flips town, this post gets scum points.

Doesn't that mean you think Anen is scum regardless of Monkey's alignment?

[evilpacman18]

also 455 has an answer to 235 Luca but you don't care about that, do you

[evilpacman18]

ok I'm caught up. Disappointed nobody's voting Luca and I'm not into the monkey lynch anymore. Katie maybe I'd have to read her more closely but that's more just because she's the one out of our top three wagons that doesn't seem town to me. Still a few players I have no idea on yet, like who is Drake Crusader? but Luca is my top scum pick. Just feels kinda OMGUSy, like I was paying extra attention to him because he was making shitty arguments at me and we're always of course more attentive to the shitty arguments about ourselves than shitty arguments about someone else.

[evilpacman18]

Fuck Constance too but Ben was a good guy by the end.

[evilpacman18]

I'm fine with a Lapsa lynch is fine, if only because he's quite difficult to read and will thus be good to have out of the way. But I'm gonna try hard to make a Luca lynch happen tomorrow.

[evilpacman18]

has he been officially lynched yet?

vote: lapsa

[evilpacman18]

Everyone needs to calm down. Lapsa is probably lying so let's just get the flip and leave punishment to the discretion of the mod.

[evilpacman18]

I'm happy with that kill too actually

[evilpacman18]

vote: aneninen

always so eager to talk about how town he is

[evilpacman18]

I really wanna play rn but I'm so tired. But I think I'm suspicious of anyone trying to analyze the Luca kill. In fact it's a really good kill because it's hard to trace. I'm gonna reread and try to reorient my scum reads since Luca was my top one but the vote on Anen will stay for now.

[evilpacman18]

I can go for MM but seriously if he flips town we have to lynch Anen tomorrow

vote: MonkeyMan

[evilpacman18]

what have you asked me?

unvote

droog is right and I'd hate to have a mislynch because of my laziness honestly so I'm gonna try harder, especially considering we'll probably get a deadline extension.

[evilpacman18]

Hmm.....

Some of Pacman's posts are really bothering me.

For example, Pacman, in post 537, you say that you're "not into the monkey lynch anymore".

What I'd like to know is

: What brought on this change of heart,

but more importantly, why have you suddenly changed your mind and voted for him today?

I really wanna play rn but I'm so tired. But I think I'm suspicious of anyone trying to analyze the Luca kill. In fact it's a really good kill because it's hard to trace. I'm gonna reread and try to reorient my scum reads since Luca was my top one but the vote on Anen will stay for now.

This post is terrible.

First of all, why are you suspicious of anybody who tries to analyze the kill? This to me just looks like a mob boss trying to silence anybody who asks to many questions.

More importantly, though: In this post, you say that you're suspicious of anybody who tries to analyze the kill,

and then you proceed to analyze the kill.

Explain.

oh. well the answer to the top part is I was being lazy and monkey is not exactly a beacon of towniness.
the answer to the other part is no I was not analyzing the kill, at least not in the same sense as the kill analysis that I was against.

[evilpacman18]

That's not a helpful thing to say if you're really town

[evilpacman18]

alright let's play

[evilpacman18]

I'm in that awkward position where I'm scumreading people who were scumreading me first and people are gonna be all like OMGUS and try and use it to lynch me after this post. Just a heads up.

[evilpacman18]

So the reason for my earlier preface about how this is gonna sound OMGUSy was because Aeronaut has started looking really scummy to me, since I'm still wary of anyone who tried to read into the death of Luca. Monkey's reaction to Aeronaut's "so who benefits from that" is as snarky as that horrible post deserves and I think it's also very town so sorry for almost being part of that mislynch... shoulda read. Anyway the other bad thing about 699 is that it asks a question without having any suggestions for an answer, Aeronaut seems completely uninvested in actively searching for an answer for his own question and so it comes across as the question being the point of that post, not the answer. And there's no town intent behind that. Monkey and droog both look town in their opening D2 posts and Anen's is weird and idk how I feel about it.

Monkey how do you feel about 699 given that in 707 you say that you find "overreliance on other players" scummy?

I maybe don't agree with Monkey's original argument against Wake but I don't like how Wake reacted in response to Monkey's accusation, particularly 714, which tries to disrupt the pretty clear train of logic in Monkey's three linked posts in it.

Gendaberry seems town just for starting a new wagon with new reasoning at a point in the game where apathy would have been the best scum tactic. Like just letting us lazily lynch some random town because we don't care. I do think IIII is town though, if anything because switching a vote within 40 minutes or whatever Genda's accusation is looks annoying and anti-town but is usually indicative of lack of certainty which is of course super town. So now the IIII wagon looks bad and I'm thinking maybe droog and Aeronaut are scum buddies.

Anyway that's only to like the middle of page 31, I'll do more tomorrow. Don't think I'm voting but

unvote

[evilpacman18]

ckd, don't get tunnelly. consider Aeronaut or droog scum if you get a chance. just consider, idk how I feel about it yet either.

[evilpacman18]

Cuz I'm not done reading. I'm about to be though and it'll most likely go there.
Concerning deadline extension, I'd rather have more than a day. With the time it'll take replacements to catch up, etc. I think it'd be good to have at least three.

[evilpacman18]

Sorry I'm taking long, I'm on tour with the choir I play for, I'll try to get on a computer later tonight

[evilpacman18]

Wake I suggest you read Monkey D2, it's quite apparent he's being ganged up on.

[evilpacman18]

I feel like you don't need to explain yourself. I felt strongly like I was defending the typical low-hanging fruit town. And anyway if anyone on that wagon was bussing it's probably |||| (and Aeronaut's last vote was weak)

[evilpacman18]

I do think IIII is town though, if anything because switching a vote within 40 minutes or whatever Genda's accusation is looks annoying and anti-town but is usually indicative of lack of certainty which is of course super town. So now the IIII wagon looks bad and I'm thinking maybe droog and Aeronaut are scum buddies.

unvote

Pacman how did |||| go from being town to the most likely scum on Monkey's wagon? I'm really not sure where that came from.

Not really a definitive read, just based on the placement of the wagons and my stronger town reads and stuff.

[evilpacman18]

@epm I'm surprised you're not continuing your scumreading against Aeronaut. Just think - if you get rid of Aeronaut today, both the peeps who voted against you yesterday would be gone!

who said I'm not continuing my scumread against Aeronaut?

[evilpacman18]

That said, it is moving back towards null as my typical day 3 paranoia starts to settle in. And because Aero is right that he'd been pushing for a Monkey lynch since early. I needa go back and see how Monkey reacted to that.

[evilpacman18]

yeah sorry I'll be in tonight promise

[evilpacman18]

I'm gonna have to break my promise but only cuz I'm really drunk and I'll try and read when I wake up k? k. night!

[evilpacman18]

wait what just happened

[evilpacman18]

oh nothing. ok well I'm starting my reread with a VCA, here goes.

[evilpacman18]

A full reread?

You've only missed like a page or two

I really need the reorientation though and D1 is certain to look very different knowing that Monkey was scum

[evilpacman18]

I'm already finding some interesting things

[evilpacman18]

My plan is to drop all of my reads and try to go into what I'm about to do with as little presupposition about what I already think about the game so that I can first analyze Monkey's play and votes on him as objectively as possible, and then see how he interacted with players and how people interacted with him. This VCA will not yet take into account peoples' posting and reasoning for their votes, I first just want to see whose voting footprint seems tunnelly, weirdly associated with Monkey, or too flaky.

Votecount 1.2

Wake88 (2): Aneninen, Aeronaut
evilpacman18 (2): Luca Blight, KatieB
curiouskarmadog (1): MonkeyMan576
Aeronaut (1): Lapsa
Ollie (1): curiouskarmadog

Not voting (6): evilpacman18, BP, Drake Crusader, Wake88, Ollie, llll

Monkey's RVS vote was on ckd with a joke about his name. Because of the reference to names, it's hard to gauge whether this is a relevant vote but I still doubt Monkey would RVS his scumbuddy.

Votecount 1.4

MonkeyMan576 (2): curiouskarmadog, Aeronaut
KatieB (2): Luca Blight, MonkeyMan576
Wake88 (1): Aneninen
evilpacman18 (1): KatieB
BP (1): llll

Not voting (5): evilpacman18, BP, Drake Crusader, Wake88, Ollie,

Votecount 1.6

KatieB (4): Luca Blight, MonkeyMan576, Drake Crusader, llll
MonkeyMan576 (2): curiouskarmadog, Aeronaut
Wake88 (1): Lapsa
Drake Crusader (1): Aneninen
evilpacman18 (1): KatieB

Not voting (4): evilpacman18, droog, Wake88, Ollie,

Between 1.4 and 1.6, a wagon on Katie that Monkey was the second person to get on slowly picks up but Monkey abandons it (for no apparent reason, I checked) without attempting to reorient his reads:

Votecount 1.7

KatieB (3): Luca Blight, Drake Crusader, llll
MonkeyMan576 (3): curiouskarmadog, Aeronaut, Aneninen
Wake88 (1): Lapsa
Lapsa (1): droog
evilpacman18 (1): KatieB

Not voting (4): evilpacman18, Wake88, Ollie, MonkeyMan576

Suggests that KatieB could be scum with Monkey, and also suggests, given Luca's town flip, that Reticent and llll are more likely to be town, especially if Katie does turn out to be scum (highly doubt Monkey would leave wagon on scumbuddy if another scumbuddy joined him bussing).

Votecount 1.9

MonkeyMan576 (5): curiouskarmadog, Aeronaut, Aneninen, llll, evilpacman18

L-2

KatieB (3): Luca Blight, Drake Crusader, MonkeyMan576
Luca Blight (1): Lapsa
Lapsa (1): droog
evilpacman18 (1): KatieB

Not voting (2): Wake88, Ollie,

Monkey gets close to lynch for the first time here but then both Anen and llll unvote:

Votecount 1.10

MonkeyMan576 (4): curiouskarmadog, Aeronaut, evilpacman18, Lapsa
KatieB (2): Luca Blight, Drake Crusader
Lapsa (2): droog, MonkeyMan576
evilpacman18 (1): KatieB
curiouskarmadog (1): llll

Not voting (3): Wake88, Gendaberry, Aneninen

There is over 100 posts between 1.9 and 1.10, I will have to check who unvotes first/why and whether Lapsa joins the wagon before or after one or both of them have left it. Because Anen already flipped town, llll looks scummier so let's say he's neutral after looking kinda town from the last thing.

Votecount 1.11

MonkeyMan576 (5): curiouskarmadog, Aeronaut, Lapsa, Aneninen, Gendaberry

L-2

KatieB (2): Luca Blight, Drake Crusader
Lapsa (1): droog
evilpacman18 (1): KatieB
curiouskarmadog (1): llll

Not voting (3): Wake88, MonkeyMan576, evilpacman18

The wagon changes a lot from 1.10 to 1.11 because I left it, and Anen came back along with Gendaberry. ckd and Aeronaut are both quite tunnelly by now, one is possibly scum, I know from experience that hardcore tunneling a scumbuddy is a good way to clear your name for a while. Actually I have a bad habit of doing it like all the time when I'm scum. Also neither of them were ever voting KatieB which is something.
Because of the directions the VCA is making me lean, the Lapsa lynch just looks like a lot of bad communication among town. It's old mafia theory but I subscribe to the thought that the third and fourth spots on a wagon are likely to be scum. Here it is proven true again, with monkey who apparently unvoted then revoted for Lapsa and everyone else besides droog voting Lapsa is voting Lapsa for the first time

Apologies for the delay!

Votecount 1.12

Lapsa (7): droog, Luca Blight, MonkeyMan576, llll, Gendaberry, Aneninen, evilpacman18

LYNCH!

MonkeyMan576 (2): curiouskarmadog, Aeronaut,
KatieB (1): Drake Crusader
droog (1): Lapsa
evilpacman18 (1): KatieB

Not voting (1): Wake88,

Other D1 analysis: Drake Crusader, Luca Blight, KatieB and droog are all very tunnelly. I honestly can't even remember KatieB trying hard at all to get me lynched D1 so it is kinda scummy that her vote was on me for so long. Especially since she hasn't voted me once since D1.

Votecount 2.2

MonkeyMan576 (2): curiouskarmadog, Aeronaut
Wake88 (1): MonkeyMan576
Aneninen (1): evilpacman18

Not voting (7): droog, llll, Gendaberry, Aneninen, Drake Crusader, KatieB, Wake88

Votecount 2.3

MonkeyMan576 (5): curiouskarmadog, Aneninen, Aeronaut, llll, evilpacman18

L-1

llll (3): Gendaberry, droog, MonkeyMan576

Not voting (7): Drake Crusader, KatieB, Wake88

I'm very uncomfortable with ckd and Aeronaut's level of certainty on Monkey. I checked, Aeronaut switched to voting llll and back to monkey in between these two VCs which I'm not sure what to think of. llll is almost certainly town as a counterwagon to Monkey that Monkey himself supported.

Votecount 2.5

llll (3): Gendaberry, droog, MonkeyMan576
MonkeyMan576 (2): curiouskarmadog, llll
evilpacman18 (2): Aneninen, Aeronaut
Aneninen (1): Reticent

Not voting (3): KatieB, Wake88, evilpacman18

Votecount 2.6

MonkeyMan576 (4): curiouskarmadog, llll, Reticent, Gendaberry
llll (2): droog, MonkeyMan576
evilpacman18 (2): Aneninen, Aeronaut

Not voting (3): KatieB, Wake88, evilpacman18

Monkeyman wagon almost fizzles, Gendaberry joins llll in the almost certainly town category for ditching the mislynch for the good lynch. Really everyone who was not voting monkey who starts voting monkey between 2.5 and 2.6 is really town, Reticent picks up some towniness there too but less so than Gendaberry.

Votecount 2.7

MonkeyMan576 (6): curiouskarmadog, llll, Reticent, Gendaberry, Wake88, Aeronaut

LYNCH

llll (2): droog, MonkeyMan576
evilpacman18 (1): Aneninen
Gendaberry (1): KatieB


Not voting (1): evilpacman18

Wake88 coming out of nowhere to join the Monkey wagon is probably townish since this was close to deadline and he would've done well as scum to keep lurking and hope time ran out. Same goes for Aeronaut but he's more active so his vote at the end of the wagon looks mostly reluctant, ie. scummy. This is dependent on what actually happened in the posts around that period.

So from this I'd guess scum are KatieB and either ckd or Aeronaut. Aeronaut voting KatieB right now will look good if she ends up flipping scum. llll is clearly town and Gendaberry as well is very likely to be.

vote: KatieB

[evilpacman18]

vote: KatieB

sorry for the formatting above.

[evilpacman18]

My plan is to drop all of my reads and try to go into what I'm about to do with as little presupposition about what I already think about the game so that I can first analyze Monkey's play and votes on him as objectively as possible, and then see how he interacted with players and how people interacted with him. This VCA will not yet take into account peoples' posting and reasoning for their votes, I first just want to see whose voting footprint seems tunnelly, weirdly associated with Monkey, or too flaky.

"My plan is to completely contradict everything I've said thus far, in order to gain town cred"

"My plan is to read this post as scummy even though I don't even know what it says yet"

We're on day 3, and you're sitting here analyzing RVS votes. Are you seriously giving Ckd towncred for being voted by Monkey during RVS? Hint: RVS does not stand for "Relevant Vote Stage"

To be clear, what is said during RVS is relevant. The votes alone are not.

That's not true. Also it clearly is not a big part of my conclusions on this post, I'm just observing the vote counts, that's what VCA is. Not to mention I showed that I'm aware that what is said during RVS is relevant by making that one of the only instances where I actually went and checked the reasoning for votes, not just the information in the vote count.

Are you asserting that they are scum because they unvoted? Because one flipped town, and you said llll was town like three sentences ago.

No, I am just stating what happened, why are you reading into that so much? Not to mention that I mention anen flipping town like two sentences later, I'm clearly aware of that.

And now, llll is town again, after being certain scum a few paragraphs ago.

I don't even need to point out how ridiculous and misreppy it is to say that I called llll "certain scum"

So, you're telling me that Wake coming from nowhere and just voting monkey for voting him is less scummy to you than me, voting for the person who I wanted dead all game?

Again, I'm just deducing as much as I can from plain VCs and what I saw was you leaving the Monkey wagon and coming back at the end. Also I pointed out that it's speculative and I have to actually go reread all that.

I'm not even voting Katie right now, I'm voting you, ya dingus.

I was looking at votecount 3.2

That whole case was contradictory, mainly fluff, and barely about Katie, yet, Katie is suddenly scum above all else.

I definitely was very consistent and concise and just because you didn't quote and misrep my thoughts on Katie doesn't mean they weren't there.

Anyway

@Pacman
Did you only just now discover that CKD has been on Monkey the whole game? If you think that CKD's level of certainty was scummy, why didn't you point it out sooner considering that he's been tunneling monkey extremly hard for most of the game?

Since I'm, like I said..., abandoning my presuppositions, it also means taking another look at ckd who I was previously town reading. The fact that he had his vote parked for two straight days looks a lot worse in a mod iso than it probably did in context because IIRC ckd didn't spend all his time just talking about how we should lynch monkey. It's also just day 3 and I'm getting a bit paranoid since I was totally wrong on monkey not to mention I've expected ckd to die on both nights. Basically it's just a thought right now... also I did put this out there:

ckd, don't get tunnelly. consider Aeronaut or droog scum if you get a chance. just consider, idk how I feel about it yet either.

[evilpacman18]

Katie I hope your real life situation improves, regardless of alignment. That said, I don't feel any particular urge to unvote after the AtE.

[evilpacman18]

There should be a new scumtell: AtRL

[evilpacman18]

Hmm

[evilpacman18]

Riddleton,

I don't mean to offend, but do you have a backup mod? It may be something to consider if you are very busy IRL.

[evilpacman18]

I'm sure he will be back but we can contact the listmod I think. Have you PM'd him? Maybe he will get an e-mail alert if we PM him.

[evilpacman18]

I'll just do it

[evilpacman18]

I've written N as well

[evilpacman18]

Life happens

[evilpacman18]

Really surprised I was wrong there actually. I'm scared about ckd. Still think Aeronaut is likely scum, especially because Katie being town really narrows the pool.

[evilpacman18]

Also Aeronaut's scum read on me never seemed to be super related to interactions with Katie, so I think, llll, that an Aronis/Aeronaut scum team makes sense if you read Aeronaut's sudden and possibly lied-about read flip on me as an attempt to distance himself from Aronis. Regardless, I didn't do it over the night cuz I just got back from a trip but I still intend to check MonkeyMan's interactions and I still think Aeronaut is scum...

vote: Aeronaut

[evilpacman18]

I didn't even say that, I just suggested a scenario that helps llll's read make sense.

[evilpacman18]

Firstly, shouldn't he explain his own reads and how they all work?

Secondly, why did you vote Aeronaut if you were just trying to clear his reads?

These are stupid questions, why are you trying to have problems with me?

[evilpacman18]

I should probably answer those questions just to point out that they have obvious answers:
Firstly: Um he explained his reads just fine, I just added a thought. You act like I'm defending him.
Secondly: I've been saying Aeronaut is scum for three days.

[evilpacman18]

To me droog seemed fine and Aronis is going in the other direction.

[evilpacman18]

Aeronaut/llll, just out of curiosity, given that you are scumreading each other but both have Aronis as the probable partner, how would you feel working together to lynch him?

[evilpacman18]

To me droog seemed fine and Aronis is going in the other direction.

Because I'm scumreading you and your buddies?

Because you're very eager to construe things that people say for purposes they were not intended.

[evilpacman18]

I thought for sure I had posted... Idk what to think of Aeronaut being reasonable about the Aronis lynch or the fact that my strongest town read and my strongest scum read both want to lynch him...

[evilpacman18]

Really wish we could find a replacement.

Aronis + llll is it, I'm pretty sure. Wake is a far more active scum player. More sold on it because of how reluctant llll is being to voting his "scum read"

Mostly concerned with the first Aronis posting. Will explain why when not on a phone

Umm I really think llll is town, as pointed out in my VCA from yesterday, could you look at that again and tell me if/why you think I'm wrong in my analysis?

[evilpacman18]

52 Page*

I've seen people come into 100+ games

[evilpacman18]

pisskop!

[evilpacman18]

fun

[evilpacman18]

now we can play this damn game.

[evilpacman18]

I can actually help prove that. I'm a town neighborizer. I'll let people in my neighborhood claim if they want to but I will say there's only two others because I tried to recruit Gendaberry last night. I think it wouldn't hurt to not be able to recruit one more person so why don't we lynch Aeronaut today because he's very likely to be scum by PoE if we believe each others' claims, and then you JK me and I'll see if the person I pick gets put in the hood or not.

[evilpacman18]

I will have to keep it a secret who I pick, even from the people in the neighborhood in case they turn out to be scum

[evilpacman18]

It's ckd and Reticent/freeko who maybe doesn't know that he's in the hood. I'll PM the mod about that.

[evilpacman18]

Wait who replaced Reticent?

[evilpacman18]

Oh! Yeah pisskop

[evilpacman18]

Anyone I choose can join the hood so you are not conf town

[evilpacman18]

I will have to keep it a secret who I pick, even from the people in the neighborhood in case they turn out to be scum

Why? What would scum do to stop/thwart you?

Which means that people in the hood could be scum so I can't say who I will pick or they will be killed. The other option is if I publically choose who I will pick and Aronis JK's that person, they will not be added to the neighborhood but then someone in the neighborhood can report whether or not they were added. I would presumably be killed but it's a better suggestion than JKing me I think

[evilpacman18]

Exactly. And if N's modding concerning Gen is any precdent, he is very specific about the reason someone will not be joining the neighborhood (IE. He clearly stated that Gen's death was the reason nobody was added to the thread instead of vaguely saying "nobody was added to the thread")

[evilpacman18]

You should have access to it now in your private forums, you can see that

[evilpacman18]

I can actually help prove that. I'm a town neighborizer. I'll let people in my neighborhood claim if they want to but I will say there's only two others because I tried to recruit Gendaberry last night. I think it wouldn't hurt to not be able to recruit one more person so why don't we lynch Aeronaut today because he's very likely to be scum by PoE if we believe each others' claims, and then you JK me and I'll see if the person I pick gets put in the hood or not.

thus my softclaim about you...why are you claiming right now? I said what I did today (and how I said it) because I thought I might direct a kill towards me and leave you around. Also you would be able to have a crumb to point too.

Did you not read Aronis' easily provable soft claim? Help lynch Aeronaut

[evilpacman18]

Sorry, the claim was not soft, it was just a claim

[evilpacman18]

Aronis do you agree to my plan to prove that you are JK?

[evilpacman18]

Massclaim is fine but highly doubt there will be anything besides VT claims from the unclaimed

[evilpacman18]

Pacman, it's not a provable role.....

What are you saying is wrong with my plan?

[evilpacman18]

... Because he could easily be a roleblocker, and do exactly the same thing.

That'd be too risky a claim to make as scum because he didn't know what PRs besides the cop existed

[evilpacman18]

Keep flailing though

[evilpacman18]

Sure but you're gonna be embarrassed when you're actually the lynch today.

[evilpacman18]

The VC that shows you and two claimed PRs being voted for? You're the only viable lynch once Aronis gets back and ckd starts paying attention

[evilpacman18]

Me: neighborizer. Added ckd, pisskop, and Gendaberry (who died same night) to the hood.
Aronis: 1 shot JK. Provable to an extent.
Gendaberry flipped two shot cop, never claimed but seems to have investigated and cleared llll based on his flip from voting him to aggressively defending him

[evilpacman18]

Aronis' shot is claimed to be unused

[evilpacman18]

My god, Titus

[evilpacman18]

Fuck it I'm conf town

vote: Aronis

[evilpacman18]

Town flip we lynch Aeronaut in under two pages tomorrow.

[evilpacman18]

Well I got ckd right =\ (see the neighbor thread)

[evilpacman18]

Sorry I was wrong on llll =|