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Post Post #1325 (ISO) » Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:00 am

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Yeah don't pick Thoughtsteal in arena. It's playable in constructed but it was actually the first card I cut when making room for GvG cards
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Post Post #1326 (ISO) » Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:27 pm

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Thoughtsteal is alright in arena. Sure there are better cards, but I'd put it as around average. It is however one of those cards that gives you a lot of something but at a cost - namely it gives you a lot of card advantage at the cost of tempo. So 4 is a bit excessive because you'll wind up with games where 2 of them are just sitting dead in your hand while you have to play all of your other cards to respond to your opponent's board becoming scarier and scarier.

Deck thinning *does* have its advantages though - there was a game I watched Kripp play yesterday in the 8-9 wins bracket in arena, as mage, and he had 4 cards left in his deck, and he could remember two of them were arcane intellect and antique healbot. His opponent was at fatigue and had no board, but was gonna kill him in like 2 or 3 turns due to fatigue. In that case drawing the intellect would be useful because you know exactly what you're going to get (turns out it was the bottom card of his deck, though, although he still won at 1 hp due to damage from a yeti + fatigue).
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Post Post #1327 (ISO) » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:32 pm

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Priest has some crazy strong low mana cost cards.

Namely, Northshire Cleric. That card is cancer. Light warden is decent too.
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Post Post #1328 (ISO) » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:53 pm

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Did Violet Teacher get her cost reduced? It wasn't always 4 right?
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Post Post #1329 (ISO) » Thu Dec 25, 2014 7:04 pm

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I think it was always 4.
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Post Post #1330 (ISO) » Thu Dec 25, 2014 9:38 pm

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In post 1329, implosion wrote:I think it was always 4.
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Post Post #1331 (ISO) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:37 am

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lightwarden is kinda meh imo. Sure, it's the best 1 drop if you draw nothing else, but if you DO curve out it's a 1/2. And no matter how much it gets buffed off healing it'll only ever have 2 health.
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Post Post #1332 (ISO) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:19 am

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Lightwarden is trash for any class but Priest. And even then it's still terrible.
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Post Post #1333 (ISO) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:31 pm

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whoa now lightwarden is *just* an occasional game winner but to state priest doesnt have a billion ways to give it more than two health is crazy.
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Post Post #1334 (ISO) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:54 pm

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But see right there you're limiting yourself to a card that's only useful when:

1. You have appropriate buffs
2. You are putting out consistent heals
3. Your opponent has no hard-removal or silences

IMO she takes too long to get rolling, and any situation you
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get her rolling is typically a win-more scenario. She's too fragile to drop onto a T1/T2 board alone unless you're following up with PW:S, and (for instance) if you drop her onto a T3 board + heal a body for 2 then you should consider her strictly outclassed by an Earthen Ring Farseer.
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Post Post #1335 (ISO) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:53 pm

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Yeah. I'm currently running 2x Light of the Naaru in my Priest Control deck, and I'm very strongly considering taking them out, because I have been consistently unimpressed when I could add Shadow Madness or Recombobulator or a second Lightbomb or really anything that actually makes an impact on the board in those spots, because the Lightwarden just doesn't do enough at the point where you're going to be playing Light of the Naaru.

Unfortunately, Lightwarden is too much of a "Best Case Scenario Mentality" card.
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Post Post #1336 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:26 am

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oh for sure lightwarden basically sucks I will not argue such things.
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Post Post #1337 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:00 am

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Fuck.

My arena runs, man... I've done about 7 over the holiday break, and out of those 21 losses... 19 of them were to Priest. 19.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Oh, and I have no clue how to draft or play Priest so the one time I drafted it I got buttfucked.
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Post Post #1338 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:01 am

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is there any site that does more detailed statistics automatically for my own play?
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Post Post #1339 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:21 am

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Is this guide good for arena? It's fairly short compared other guides I saw and looks better and more straight to the point, and has some really nice draft spreadsheets.
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Post Post #1340 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:37 am

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It looks solid enough. No guide will work for everyone, though. I suggest watching someone else play Arena as well, it lets you see things that you might not have seen before.
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Post Post #1341 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:47 am

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In post 1338, zoraster wrote:is there any site that does more detailed statistics automatically for my own play?

There are none that do it automatically, no.

ArenaMastery tracks sitewide stats to give you an idea but nothing tracks it automatically. All of it is manual due to Blizzard's API.
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Post Post #1342 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:49 am

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In post 1339, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Is this guide good for arena? It's fairly short compared other guides I saw and looks better and more straight to the point, and has some really nice draft spreadsheets.

No, that one hasn't been updated since Feb 14 last year... we've had Naxxramas and Goblins vs Gnomes come out since then.

This is a really good tier list curated by a bunch of arena players who average 9-10 wins per run.
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Post Post #1343 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:50 am

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Nobody is really sure how the new arena is shaking up as far as which CLASSES are better, though based on general stats, it looks like it goes:

Tier 1: Mage
Tier 2: Paladin/Shaman/Rogue
Tier 3: Druid/Hunter
Tier 4: Priest/Warrior/Warlock

Although, these stats are from ALL TIME arenas, not recent arenas, so I'd imagine Rogue is probably down a bit and Priest is up pretty high in the new stats.
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Post Post #1344 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:56 pm

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I think Mage is just as good as it always was in arena.
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Post Post #1345 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:57 pm

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I would argue hunter deserves better than T3, but I seem to be a lone voice on that front in various places.
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Post Post #1346 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:58 pm

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Gonna brag a bit :P

Ive made 6 12-win runs in arena.

3 with mage.
1 with pally.
1 with hunter.
1 with warlock.

Voidcallers are OP to the max in arena. If you can draft 3 of them and some random demons, you are in good hands.
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Post Post #1347 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:01 pm

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I think GvG made pally stronger, notably more impact than it did on all other classes.
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Post Post #1348 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:47 pm

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my god this arena deck i just drafted seems VERY GOOD
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Post Post #1349 (ISO) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:51 pm

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