Dasq is quite right, of course, since I'm not willing to lynch MBL today, this whole back and forth is getting us nowhere. I'm afraid I just have something of a short fuse, and react badly to being misrepresented.
To try to get back on track, with regard to where I was prior to this little episode, I was considering the lynch merits of Nanook, inHim and OTM. A re-read makes me think I don't have that huge an issue with Nanook, inHim still looks scummy for all the reasons I've set out previously, though for some reason I'm getting a not-scum vibe off him at present. (Though, inHim: could you point me to a couple completed games on either side? Would be useful in gauging if this really is just a playstyle thing).
Most of my issues with thorgot have been stated previously. The whole random vote thing in particular. I'll pull out the following post:
thorgot wrote:Dasquian wrote:OK, next question: who do you find suspicious, and why? A lot's happened, and you haven't said much (and still aren't).
Sure.
CES isn't very suspicious, but he did retract a doctor claim, and being "definitely town" is a death warrant.
The Fonz, for attacking Dodgy, isn't very suspicious to me, because he is drawing too much attention.
Gorckat isn't very suspicious to me, because he is so inactive.
Dasquian, I find you somewhat suspicious, because you are that perfect level between Gorckat and The Fonz, being active and helpful but not offending anybody.
As an example of quite outstanding wishy-washiness, and lack of real reasoning. The only thing he points out as being remotely scummy is that Dasq is not lurking, but less out on a limb than I was.
Now, to when OTM himself enters. He then makes a point of going away from how his predecessor acted, as if he was stating his suspicions not because he thought they were valid or would help to catch scum, but in order to distance from his predecessor and make himself look innocent.
The player who is consistently showing up on my scumdar is kilmenator. She has not posted a lot of content and when she does, her suspicions tend to run counter to my own, so that is where I am most comfortable placing my vote.
vote: kilmenator
Note that he doesn't actually explain what these suspicions of his are, to which Kilm's suspicions run counter. This looks to me like he's looking for an excuse to vote Kilm.
The next three posts contain FOS on three different people: Nanook, IH, inHim. Keeps vote on Kilm, claiming her behaviour in this game is OOC.
Then loads of arguments with IH, which I'd actually agree with OTM on, it's one of my pet peeves- a pointless argument about semantics, and different people having different definitions of a concept.
Then we have the infamous unvote:
Off the Mark wrote:I thought kilm's post was good
unvote:
vote: inhimshallibe
No particular reasoning expressed as to why Kilm's post was good. To me, this looks like he was waiting for a pretext to jump off his scumbuddy onto whichever wagon looked like it was gaining steam.
Then OTM comes out with an absurdly WIFOM argument about how he couldn't possibly have come into the game and immediately began bussing his scumbuddy, even though a) surely when there isn't a wagon on your buddy is a perfect time to bus them? and b) he hardly made a convincing case against her that would cause a substantial wagon to build.
Off the Mark wrote:I have to break down a HUGE post just to say I agree with it now? Actually, I didn't agree with every single point of kilmenator's. But I thought her analysis was logical and very pro-town. The main problem I had with kilm was offering little content (compared to other games I've read). Her making a huge post of analysis, which I think is sensible analysis, is enough to make her less suspicious to me.
Well, yes, you do actually, or, you know, at least mention one specific point you found convincing.
Off the Mark wrote:
Is that part you quoted supposed to be your response to post 381? I was hoping you would explain why, according your theory, I started up a bandwagon on my scumbuddy as my first action upon replacing into this game. Your theory does not match the facts here. On my read-through, kilmenator and thorgot
(and eletriar)
were the most suspicious to me. I got the PM telling me that thorgot was innocent, of course, so I voted for kilmenator. You're asking people to believe that I immediately dropped into a game that had plenty of confusion going on, and decided to bus one of my mafia buddies? Sorry, I'm not that sneaky/weird.
I'm not going to take your word for it that you're not that sneaky/weird. Your argument seemingly continues to be that it would be unlikely for scum replacing in in that situation to bus from the get-go, which I don't accept. Also, you didn't mention a suspicion of Eletriar in your first post, yet as soon as you decide you want to attack Nanook, you were suspicious of her all along.
Off the Mark wrote:Dude, I unvoted you because I decided your "I am not claiming because it would be bad for the town" strategy convinced me you probably were town after all, (mainly because I've never seen scum try that) so I didn't want you at lynch -1. And now you vote for me because of that action? This feels like some kind of weird reverse-OMGUS.
This is not a good reason. If inHim felt your reason for unvoting him was poor, he has every right to point it out.
Off the Mark wrote:
I'm just trying to go by my gut here to make sure we get the best D1 lynch.
Hmmmm.
Vote: OffTheMark
Yes, that's a form of reverse-OMGUS, which I'm well aware of, but it still means I don't see him as particularly scummy right now when he's mostly saying sensible stuff I agree with.
