Micro 431 - Noughts and Crosses Mafia

[T-Bone]

Checking in.

We have to make a choice early on, are we going to play tic tac toe or are we going to play mafia? I think so long as we block scum, there's no reason to focus on tic tac toe. Essentially scum go 2nd (in a proper game), meaning there is no scenario in which they should win in a proper game of tic tac toe. Trying to play tie tac toe is kinda dumb, we're all adults (mostly) and can reasonably play an optimal game of tic tac toe.

pre-edit: basically what Belisarus said...though I think I used prettier words

[T-Bone]

Actually if anything we should let scum play tic tac toe....because it'll be very telling who they do and don't kill based on the state of the board. Let scum play tic tac toe and we can play mafia.

[T-Bone]

We'd have to bag scum in the first 4 people normally anyway?

I don't understand where you are coming from.

[T-Bone]

Okay I kinda get what you're saying. What I'm saying is that we're damned if we do, damned if we don't, I think we're best served to focus on mafia more. Because you're kinda right, at a certain point we will be dictating who they kill and they will be dictating whom we lynch. On Day 1 though....this isn't true and we can play nearly normally.

I do agree, gotta lynch a corner, but we can make an informed decision. I feel like this discussion is all about beholding ourselves to tic tac toe, and we don't need to do that.

[T-Bone]

You can block those 'inevitable wins' if you know what you're doing so...

[T-Bone]

I guess so? I dunno, I seriously wrote a 5-page research paper in college about how to play tic tac toe (yes, really), there isn't anything that would surprise me at the very least.

[T-Bone]

*goes offline for sleep and work*

*isn't putting in "effort"*

lol

So, does it change anyone's opinion that in the first two instances of this set-up someone always suggests that town lynches the IC for board control?

[T-Bone]

Like, this isn't some crazy new thing that Pine just thought of this game...

[T-Bone]

I'll hammer the fuck out of RC no problem...but why should I believe that him asking for this strategy THIS game when every time it has been asked for it has come from a town player (and the player shooting it down the most was scum). Why would scum touch that with a 10-ft pole?

But hey, let me hammer probtown cause I'm a scumfuck lol

Vote: RC

Scum is definitely Bel and Math, though since we're going down this path with RC a Bel or Math lynch are obvious next choices

[T-Bone]

Also

1. Cinnamon
2.Bacon
3. Lemon

Or you're un-American

[T-Bone]

wtf is right, amirite? I thought about putting in effort but this is a micro so...whatever

Yep and you're my scumbuddy who we have to lynch first anyway

I did it because then we'll be forced to lynch my scumreads on D2 and D3. It's a win for me, and a win for the town.

I mean, we wanted to lynch him right? Why the fuck should that stop?

Fuck it I'm renagade

[T-Bone]

but I'm scum.

FTFY

[T-Bone]

I mean 5 minutes of research would tell you that RC is town. But now we have to lynch Math or Equinox tomorrow and that's a good thing because Math is scum.

[T-Bone]

I mean, he's trying to fall on his sword BEFORE the flip and a night kill for town credit. I bet come Day 2 he'll change his tune about getting himself lynched and will either push a bad lynch on me, or try and put the lynches on Equinox's side of the board.

Stop trying to tell the town that I am trying to lynch Beli first by the way, I realize that can't happen right away.

[T-Bone]

I'm pretty sure I'm setting us up to win this game, but continue to play the martyr if you'd like.

Pedit: hawk sauce is a "complex" flavour, so it's not for everyone. I prefer fruit/candy flavours to menthol/tobacco types, so it's not really for recent ex-smokers,

and according to Health Canada, it's for children

. Apparently, at age 30 + tax, I contitute a child BUT AT LEAST I'M NOT BITTER

WHAT!!??

[T-Bone]

No one else had some realistic options, we were going to lynch RC regardless of what I was doing. I'm not going to win a fight with my scumreads when I work most of the day, this is the optimal move from my perspective, to stop the noise. If RC flips scum, well then I might shut up because I don't know what I'm talking about, but if he flips town we'll be lynching scum on Day 2. I get the frustration, I do, but this is where I am coming from at the moment.

Yeah, you guys are next to each other, no matter what we did (barring maybe one scenario) one of you were going to survive to LyLo. You're selling to me like you are frustrated scum at this point because I forced the lynch in a spot you didn't want.

But really, were we going to lynch you Day 1? No. Were we going to lynch Beli Day 1? No. We were going to lynch RC no matter how long this day phase lasted. No one was entertaining any thoughts otherwise. It apparently didn't matter that town had always suggested what RC did before, it didn't matter that RC's play wasn't even all that scummy. It was going to happen, no sense on letting everyone suffer.

[T-Bone]

By all means Math, push my lynch tomorrow, so we're not putting all the blame on my shoulders.

[T-Bone]

I saved this for a separate post: @T-Bone: yeah, but I'm going to have to insist we reserve our incredulity at the stupidity of my government for the dead QT/PT

I expect a story behind this

Also I might be a little buzzed because I find myself wondering why children would need to use condoms

[T-Bone]

NOT TRUE

Lynching me absolutely ENSURES scum don't live to LyLo. This is a total no-brainer.

But you have absolutely ZERO case on me OR Belisarius, you just hammered someone you think is town, and made the ultimate anti-town move from your standpoint if you're town and your reads are legit.
And you're making no effort to even consider the possibility of my being town.
Suppose I'm town.
Now what?

Then I fucked up?

I know I talk in absolutes, by I don't mean anything is set in stone. We don't even have a flip or NK yet

[T-Bone]

Yeah, you guys are next to each other, no matter what we did (barring maybe one scenario) one of you were going to survive to LyLo. You're selling to me like you are frustrated scum at this point because I forced the lynch in a spot you didn't want.

in what UNIVERSE would I not want this lynch? For a me/Belisarius scumteam, the optimal lynch is Equinox since it clears both me and Beli from death.

So basically you wanted more time to set up YOUR optimal lynch. I'm sure that's where this day phase was headed. I was 'too absent' from this thread, and after I had done some minor activity, Equinox would have been 'too absent' and you would have ramped it up on him and pushed his lynch till the cows come home.

This is a slip

[T-Bone]

We didn't just lose, only if you insist on giving scum the perfect mislynch I have unfortunately set-up on myself. I can take the heat, I can. I don't mean to imply I think Math is scum no questions asked. He's my strongest scumread, but I'm not willing to let anyone skate by.

Then who did you want lynched? You're all upset about lynching RC, but when I suggested you wanted an Equinox lynch you also get upset about that. That leaves me and you in the corners on Day 1....if you wanted to lynch me that's all well and fine, but I'm not convinced of anything here.

[T-Bone]

i thought we had this game in the bag

This is why Math is scum. He keeps INSISTING that I have claimed scum...but yet somehow the town is going to lose despite me scumflipping when you lynch me? There's no reason town-Math should be upset, because if I have just claimed scum, I have set up the town to a greater chance to win. I don't see anyone else who is scumreading me getting upset that I might have claimed scum. For Pine, it's an assured thing that I flip scum, and he's not worrying about the town being in a bad position...there is much discontent between what Math-town should be, and what Math actually is.

Did I make any sense to anyone there?

[T-Bone]

*there is much disconnect

is what I meant at the end of the first paragraph

[T-Bone]

Why would I want to lynch Equinox, a townread?

Why do we have to lynch a corner tomorrow? After Pine dies OUR OPTIMAL LYNCH IS A SIDE, NEWSFLASH.

I wanted RC lynched because after that the death order can be me->vettrock->Kaboose->whoever dies. My master plan D2 was to self-vote.

Your theory is fucked up, if you're town you're absolutely fucking right you set up the perfect mislynch BY HAMMERING A TOWNIE DAY 1.

I know I'm town. If you and RC are both town, (and I have a townread on Beli), there's very very little we can do to win this.

Again disconnect!!!!!....Town-you is getting exactly what you want!!

Like I don't understand this at all. You're saying "Hi I'm Math, I'm town, and I want x, y, and z to happen this game" and now that you are getting "x, y, and z (potentially)" you're freaking out about losing! It makes no sense!

[T-Bone]

i thought we had this game in the bag

This is why Math is scum. He keeps INSISTING that I have claimed scum...but yet somehow the town is going to lose despite me scumflipping when you lynch me? There's no reason town-Math should be upset, because if I have just claimed scum, I have set up the town to a greater chance to win. I don't see anyone else who is scumreading me getting upset that I might have claimed scum. For Pine, it's an assured thing that I flip scum, and he's not worrying about the town being in a bad position...there is much discontent between what Math-town should be, and what Math actually is.

Did I make any sense to anyone there?

no fuck this shit

if we lynch you, scum controls the death order until 3p lylo

a lylo that we have a damn good chance of losing

lynching you, even if you flip scum, loses control of the board

and as of yet i have no idea who your partner is if RC is town

again

your theory either SUCKS ASS or you're scum and you just pulled the optimal move

You mean the move that you (and everyone else) wanted anyway?????

Am I the only slightly sober one here? What in the actual fuck? What are we arguing about?

[T-Bone]

BUT GREAT I'M NOT SCUM

If you're town we're arguing about nothing, and if you're scum we're arguing so you can get a head start on my mislynch tomorrow. That's is what is going on in this thread.

[T-Bone]

You can't act like I'm confirmed scum and then agonize over losing the game in the same breath if you're town. There is so much disconnect there it isn't even about anything else right now. If you're sure I'm scum then I would have just handed the game to the town. It's ridiculous. If you want to write me off as scum that's on you. If you're town you should realize where I am coming from from a town perspective. You're not even willing to view this situation from my perspective. If you're scum you obviously don't have to. If you're town and think I'm scum then you don't have to either. At this point I can't even see where you'd be coming from a town perspective because the hemming and hawing at this stage makes absolutely no sense.

[T-Bone]

for reasons unstated, i will not be self voting after that initial test

VOTE: pine

would recommend lynching me though

After screaming yesterday that you would call for your own lynch for the good of the town.

I am legitimately surprised RC flipped scum, but it only makes everything Math has done this game make more sense. He was so upset I quickhammered his buddy and faked so much townrage over it. Then he gave all these scenarios where he would advocate his own lynch for the good of the town. He needs to go, because he's the last scum.

Vote: Mathdino

[T-Bone]

Nah I'm not interested in letting scum tell me what to do Math.

[T-Bone]

Nah I'm not interested in letting scum tell me what to do Math.

Tell me more about scum!Mathdino, please.

I mean, there is just so many things he does that don't make sense coming from town.

I was leaning scum on him in the way he was directing the town on Day 1. It wasn't a big deal, but enough for me to have suspicions. RC's lynch was inevitable, so I hammered him early to shake things up. What Math went on to do however just made no sense.

He completely lost his shit Day 1 after I hammered RC, before a flip, and he was crying in the thread that I had lost the game for the town. Even though other players had problems with what I did, no one openly weaped about it like he did. It didn't make sense then. In retrospect of RC's scumflip, it feels like to me he was complaining about how bad a position I put his scumteam. He immediately started calling for my lynch, and frankly it was ridiculously scummy.

I don't know why he's not fighting his lynch too much (just slightly), and it gives me a little pause, BUT I think he has to say "hey guys lynch me" while trying to get someone else to lead a lynch on someone else (me), because that's the character he has painted himself in this game. What would you have done if Math came into Day 2 and refused to allow himself to be lynched? How much would that have changed your perception on him? I think it would have changed a few people's, and that's why he felt he couldn't.

[T-Bone]

does anyone have meta on this guy

not even beck tunneled this hard

and this idiotically

and i mean at least beck was right

this guy hammered the guy he called town O_O

Oh and since RC flipped scum I in my infinite knowledge (as scum) threw our entire game away to accomplish what? At best get lynched in LyLo, at worst get lynched today?

I mean I am so hilariously obvtown it physically hurts me. But hell guys, let's lynch me instead of Math so that he can conveniently direct the tie tac toe board to ensure he goes to LyLo.

Or heck Math, let's lynch Equinox so we both go to LyLo and you can get your oh so satisfying lynch of me. Are you still fake reading Equinox as town? Of course you are, since I'm scum after all. I totally believe that you had a hard town read on a slot with two posts...

[T-Bone]

I'm fighting an uphill battle because no one will entertain for even a second that I am town who made a play with the town's best interest. No please, no one look at the game from my point of view, no one engage in a dialogue with me from a town stance, that would make all ya'll irresponsible townies...

I won't even post in LyLo if we get there...at this point those of you who are town better hope that the way we are being forced to lynch hits the last scum whether that person is Mathdino or someone else. Since my lynch is a foregone conclusion we better strategize the Day 2 and 3 lynch now. Lynching Mathdino automatically lynches Kaboose Day 3. Is this acceptable if Math is town? Yes? No? What if we lynch Vetrock and he's town (and Math's town). Is Equinox an acceptable Day 3 lynch? etc. etc. etc. Just because my scumlynch is a foregone conclusion on Day 4 doesn't mean we shouldn't be worrying about the Day 2 and Day 3 now...we lose the game if scum gets to Day 4 with me, because I don't have any faith I won't be quicklynched anyway.

Scripten, thoughts? Beli, thoughts? I imagine if we go through with the Math lynches it'll be the three of us (if one of you is scum), so I am interested in your thoughts on this.

[T-Bone]

Great for you, I fail to see how ANY of that has to do with this game, or how you have reacted to things in a scummy way.

[T-Bone]

Well you're being absolutely ridiculous more than anything else. How am I supposed to read you as town? When will you start acting like it?

[T-Bone]

You're certainly more concerned with yelling at me then setting up town for victory if you flip town.

[T-Bone]

Okay, you guys both need to disengage.

T-Bone, if Math flips scum, we win. If Vettrock or Kaboose are scum, we win. The reason Math is losing his shit is because, if they are town, we enter LyLo with you. Right now you're not looking so town-like, since you seem to have a very, very erroneous PoV about how this game is working and are pushing that in an anti-town manner. You need to take a minute, analyze the game state, and think about different players' motivations. If you are not scum, you are playing in an anti-town way and you need to work on that so we can find the actual scum. Telling us that Mathdino is scum is completely useless.

Yeah you're right. I'm just frustrated by him more than anything at this point.

[T-Bone]

Like the disconnect is this, we lynch Math and he's town, we know which 4 players can make it to LyLo (if Vet and Kaboose aren't scum), but he's way more interested in calling me a shit player more than anything else, something he's been doing pretty frequently since the end of Day 1.

[T-Bone]

Equinox would be my other scum read. I don't see it being anyone else.

[T-Bone]

But I didn't see RC being scum, so I mean if you actually want to work through some reads with me that's fine, you could very well be confirmed town in a few hours.

[T-Bone]

IIRC There was a few posts (1 or 2) sometime in the middle of the day where he'd made a comment about something and then go "but this was what scum me would do", which to me was scummy as fuck. That and the general vibe of his 'listen to me I am town' type posting rubbed me completely the wrong way. I also didn't like his process of elimination that put me in a scum pool (when I hadn't posted in a day) either, and well yeah I like to believe players who call me scum for no reason are scum. It was Day 1, and what got lost in the escalation of everything is that while I talk like my scumreads are confirmed scum, that's just the way I talk because I like to see how people respond to it. It's not an indictment on anyone, it's what I do to try and sort my reads. Also my attitude Day 1 was 'this is a micro let's play crazy'. But anyway there was the base of my read Day 1. (and though I mistakenly attributed it to you, it goes back to his poor process of elimination pool re: his read on Equinox).

[T-Bone]

That is like the worst lynch we can do from a tic tac toe perspective.

[T-Bone]

Maybe it's the holidays and the wine, but my interest in lynching Math is waning.....how mad would you be if I unvoted right this seciond? Like this is a fucking mirco lets fuck shit up

[T-Bone]

I mean the Beli lynch

[T-Bone]

tat Kaboose suggested

[T-Bone]

well i mean if you're worried about vetrock wouldn't lynching him be functionally the same thing?

Also Math has had a TON of time to wiggle out of the lynch, many opportunities to do so and he hasn't....this isn't the optimal lynch anymore is what i'm feeling.

[T-Bone]

unvote[/v]

[T-Bone]

heh,

Unvote

If you must.

[T-Bone]

Lynch is plurality anyway, not sure you could fuck it up without a counter wagon.

Counter wagon go go go?

[T-Bone]

obviously

[T-Bone]

Phone posting:

The only difference between lynching me and lynching mathdino is who we are forced to lynch the next day, if either of us are lynched, the other is night killed as otherwise we win. The difference is equinox or kaboose as to who is the forced lynch D3. I read mathdino as town, so I would rather go the other direction, toward equinox. We are deciding on three deaths with our lynch. Once the lynch for today is hammered, the next two deaths are forced. If you think belisarius is scum, the lynch for today is Equinox. This means the death of equinox, scripten, and Belisarius. I think it is more likely to hit one scum in that group than vettrock, mathdino, and kaboose. If T-bone is scum, will have to wait for lylo.

If you prefer an Equinox lynch, why didn't you vote for him?

[T-Bone]

Oh well okay

[T-Bone]

Equinox, Beli, Scripten from most to least.

[T-Bone]

Equinox, Beli, Scripten from most to least.

Why Equinox before Beli? I thought you were convinced that Beli was scum?

I was convinced it was him and Math, but that has since been blown up. It's really easy for Equinoxscum to have minimal input (and his input was minimal before his v/la), because of how loud so many other players are. Plus with everyone going "lol Bone is getting mislynched in LyLo" he doesn't have to do anything. Someone early on pointed out that lurking scum is probably the best way to win this set-up, and I buy it as the most likely strategy being implored. Though really Beliscum can do whatever the fuck he wants (and he is) because he is going to take whoever is going to vote for me with minimal discussion.

There is very little I can do to prevent the scum victory though, I am at the top of all the LyLo lists, so we've already lost. I've hardly done anything pro-scum this game but fuck it because I'm obviously scum trying to draw as much attention to myself as possible and quick hammering my buddy on Day 1 for the lulz. Because THAT is the simplest scenario.

[T-Bone]

I was convinced it was him and Math, but that has since been blown up.

Uhh... you are aware that this is a two-scum setup, right? Like, after RC flipped, you should have known there was only one scum left.

Wondering whether miscounting remaining scum is a town- or scum-slip.

It has been blown up because RC flipped scum....(remember how I said RC was gonna flip town cause they are scum?)

[T-Bone]

Broken quotes above, those first two lines are Scripten, not me.

[T-Bone]

You get lynched if we reach deadline so relax. I'd rather you to continue to give input assuming your lynch doesn't end the game.

[T-Bone]

I do not think you are scum.

[T-Bone]

Probably Equinox. Though I'd be hard pressed to hammer Beli. I think Scripten is town, your alignment doesn't matter anymore (though i think town). I'd take a 50-50 on Equinox or Beli.

[T-Bone]

No lynching isn't possible in this set-up unless no one votes ever during the day. You shouldn't be terribly concerned by that. Kaboose is locked in to be lynched, nothing can be done about it. We should be way more interested in the next day phase while we still have (potentially) two extra town voices.

I need to go back and look at what people proposed in other games and see if it has any relation to what RedCoyote proposed here because I suspect he would've suggested something to his/scum's benefit, so this is a self-reminder to do that.

More or less where the posts were made: Micro 115 and Micro 130. What T-Bone said about the suggestions being from town thus far is true, but neither had taken the argument to the extreme that RedCoyote had in post 59. In that same post, RedCoyote had said that his plan of lynching the center would allow us to lynch everywhere else except T-Bone to get maximum post. I have in my notes that lynching Pine and killing me (because I'm vain and like to think RedCoyote would've tried to do so after I lynched RedCoyote-scum in two other games) would have protected T-Bone because we would not have lynched that corner:

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What's the theory here? That RC drew attention on himself to protect me and I quick hammered him to facilitate that? That doesn't make any sense to me, and with a different combination of players (if I wasn't the opposite corner) makes very little sense to me. A lot has to go right for RC that is out of his control.

[T-Bone]

Does anyone actually think I'm scum? Right now, imagine the fact it doesn't matter as well.

@T-Bone, I'm so glad someone is willing to talk in this thread! Equinox is pretty much a town read from a lot of people I think. And you're thinking opposite? Are you town? Why are you town? People don't think you're town, how does that make you feel?

In my scum to town list you'd be ahead of Scripten. But I think if you were scum you'd be trolling or trying to swing the "correct" lynch right now, because you'd have no other choice.

I am town because of my role PM . I can sit here all day and type up why I am town, but it's all hersay. I can say this I have been coming at this game with a protown mindset, the move that got me in trouble (quickhammering RC) was my attempt to putting the town in a good position (by putting the pressure on Math/Beli who I was reading as the scumteam). RC got himself into enough trouble that he was going to be lynched, I reasoned that hammering him was a good idea to pursue my reads. Also I tend to scumread people who call me scum (because I always think I'm obviously town), and I might have taken that to a little extreme early on in the game by making myself a detriment to the town. There is no chance I'm NKed tonight with enough players saying they are willing to lynch me (IE everyone).

Equinox replacing out changes my opinion on the slot slightly (he's not the type of player to quit cause he doesn't think he can win), so maybe lurking wasn't an intentional strategy. I think from a scum perspective he benefited from laying low Day 1, which I think was intentional on his part as a foil to RC, in fact he was the foil to RC's plan on Day 1, but I think he legitimately wanted to be a part of this game. Between RC getting lynched and Math playing the martyr Equinox has certainly benefited from other players. He's played a low confrontational game as well, never following up on Beli's townread based on nothing, and telling us how right everyone was about lynching RC (Math and Kaboose I believe). Admittedly it's not easy to read Equinox as scum because of the lack of content, but I think he's provided enough insight from a scum perspective.

[T-Bone]

Don't think it means anything.

[T-Bone]

I'm pretty sure it's Beli.

[T-Bone]

I don't know how I feel about this exchange. Mostly because I was expecting Beli to go all in and 1v1 me.

I have multiple reasons as to why I don't like Beli, for the most part Script hasn't pinged me, and I had written him off to be honest (also you know, the 1v1 I thought was coming from Beli).

What did you both think of F-16 yesterday?

[T-Bone]

If I was scum, don't you think optimum solution would be to go along with you and vote T-Bone?

If I'd voted, sure. But what happens when

you

vote first, with practically zero discussion during lylo: I'd post "not scum" right afterwards and remove your ability to push a lynch on me if I didn't stick to the plan from previous Days. T-Bone would then

know

you're scum, and the cross-vote situation puts you squarely in the line of fire if I look over your ISO more closely, like I just did, and noticed all of the nervous energy evinced by the rapid-fire sentence fragments you used early on before you became confident that you were definitely going to win. I could notice that that nervous energy dissipated when it became clear that Math was going to be lynched D2 instead of Equinox, who would have been an equally valid move from a TTT perspective, which put the game on a trajectory that led clearly to you being in lylo. I could revisit that you were

so

confident that you weren't going to get NK'd last night. I

sure as hell

noticed that you waltzed into lylo acting like you're actually conftown, and anyone with even a basic understanding of marketing knows the principle of brainwashing people into believing something just by repeating it often enough.

Thanks to Math (and maybe me), we were never on a trajectory to lynch Equinox.

I thought I had the game solved and it was up to Scripten. Maybe I'm just being paranoid.

The argument that "only scum" vote first in LyLo is a stupid one, because someone HAS to vote first eventually. I briefly considered playing that game where I would vote Beli then immediately unvote, but that was probably just dumb. But so is your point on that. If I'm scum (from your PoV) Beli voting first and you going "not scum lol" wouldn't do anything to solve the game, wouldn't do anything to prove he's scum.

[T-Bone]

I also completely failed at quoting relevant quotes in my string of posts. I'm referring to #426 in the 2nd part.

[T-Bone]

Of course we can go back and forth on this all day, knowing that voting first would condemn me right out the gate, I would not do it (as I did) so as to not condemn myself. This is a silly game to try and gauge.

[T-Bone]

What did you both think of F-16 yesterday?

I'm not sure what there is to think of his play. He sorta just showed up and was NK'd, I guess? I don't have any meta experience with him, so I don't know how his LyLo play would be like and if that would contribute to the NK choice.

I mean what did you think about his content? (there were what, 2 posts?)

[T-Bone]

Also I've have the pleasure to sit in the position of scum being townread at 3p LyLo before and have done like you did, I said something to the effect of "sigh, you guys should cross vote and I'll try to figure it out". So I get where Beli is coming from, where were you coming from?

[T-Bone]

Desaccord. I went with it because I wanted to kill you and vett. If vett had been less scummy, I would have considered and Equinox lynch. Yes, I was townreading her, but I was also townreading Math.

This is not what happened at all. for whatever reason we (royal we) decided Equinox wasn't a viable lynch, for some reason, mostly because that's the way Math wanted it. If you were considering the Equinox lynch, you certainly didn't do much to get that discussion going.

[T-Bone]

Vote: Belisarius

Fuck it. Gonna go with my gut.

[T-Bone]

Phew, what a relief.

[T-Bone]

Holy hell, I can't believe I won it like that.

[T-Bone]

Oh good, I felt really bad about the quick hammer.

[T-Bone]

I had a strategy, but then you guys blew it up in a way I couldn't believe. I came home from work to a vote count with cross votes and I had to read it about 10 times.

[T-Bone]

To be fair, I reacted in a similar manner as scum in 3p LyLo when another player acted like he was confirmed town, and I turned it around on him (though we lynched the other guy), so it was a valid concern, sure.

[T-Bone]

but that was a bad lynch cause if I wasn't mafia you gave control to the mafia...