NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER
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Nero Cain Survivor
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I do not think he was. Like scum is a catchall for anything that is anti-town. I and several players use that. A werewolf faction is STILL a mafia faction 'cause its a scum faction. I could see Beast being non specific and calling you mafia.
But ok, you guys lynch Beast and he flips town, who is scum and why?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 5222, reinoe wrote:In post 5218, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5173, Shiro wrote:@Nero So you do not find Beast ambigius way weird ?
Also I did say He did't retract his claim and said he is gs BUT He did let it be implied that it might be possible when he said that he is going to ask the mod for clarification about his role cause he is not sure what he is finding people guilty of.
You are an experienced person right ? Tell me wouldn't a pm be specific about what your role does ?
Also I trust Rei over Beast. Rei claims to have a not mafia on Boon. We have a ww flip. Shocking I think we have mafia and ww instead of sk. Why would that be
no not really.
Yes a WW has flipped so we know there's a WW faction. We have a second unaccounted kill. That kill either came from a mafia or an sk. please explain how you you can tell the difference between a mafia kill and an sk kill. 'Cause to me that seems impossible and this whole "we obviously have a mafia team and not an sk" looks more like an agenda than anything based in sound reasoning.
Beast is fake claiming a "guilty" on me and claims I'm mafia. Why aren't you showing any skepticism towards that?
How many times do I have to say I assumed cop = mafia guilties? It isn't like it was a jump in logic, it was a very good assumption. It just seems it was wrong.-
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Let's watch the mod wriggle at Nero's question though.-
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It's not even that different from your question; we all know he's going to say he can't/won't answer it again.EFFORT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENTLA during normal working and sleeping hours EST
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In post 5225, Nero Cain wrote:I do not think he was. Like scum is a catchall for anything that is anti-town. I and several players use that. A werewolf faction is STILL a mafia faction 'cause its a scum faction. I could see Beast being non specific and calling you mafia.
...what.
a=c
b=c
a=b
is totally correct in math.
But this is not math.
WW=Scum
Mafia=Scum
Alien=Scum
Goo=Scum
WW=/=Mafia
WW=/=Alien
WW=/=Goo
and so forth.
Like, the kitchen is a room, and the bathroom is a room, but the kitchen is not the bathroom and what i am trying to say iswhat the fuckEFFORT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENTLA during normal working and sleeping hours EST
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So why aren't you voting Beast while clearly calling him scum?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Because I like my vanity wagon. I'll get on the beast wagon when I'm good and ready.EFFORT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENTLA during normal working and sleeping hours EST
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if I voted Beast would you hammer, yes or no?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 5229, goodmorning wrote:In post 5225, Nero Cain wrote:I do not think he was. Like scum is a catchall for anything that is anti-town. I and several players use that. A werewolf faction is STILL a mafia faction 'cause its a scum faction. I could see Beast being non specific and calling you mafia.
...what.
a=c
b=c
a=b
is totally correct in math.
But this is not math.
WW=Scum
Mafia=Scum
Alien=Scum
Goo=Scum
WW=/=Mafia
WW=/=Alien
WW=/=Goo
and so forth.
Like, the kitchen is a room, and the bathroom is a room, but the kitchen is not the bathroom and what i am trying to say iswhat the fuck
ilu gm.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
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In post 5223, Izariael wrote:In post 5202, Thor665 wrote:How are you evaluating them?
I see no effort in that regard and would love to see you show your work.
Well, given that it's been a week of holiday festivites and overtime work with Black Friday and Cyber Monday, I've been busier than usual and haven't had much time for posting. I have tried to keep up with reading though.
I'm currently in favour of a beast lynch, though beast's comment of being of use tomorrow does ring as a valid claim. However, I do see rolecop on a non-town team as a distinct possibility and fits in with the sequence of events imo.
you appear in your analysis not to be considering this sequence
In post 4856, AxleGreaser wrote:If beast is WW, and WWlast night was that Reinoe was in the mafia team, then if under pressure, WW faking red check on guessed scum Reinoe, would be ... cleverish? (not crack?)consensus
So apart from the role cop reasonscum!Beast might fake the claim, there is also the reason thatscum(WW)!Beast may think Reinoe is mafia on the other team.
As both people I suspect of having TMI (being in a scum faction) about whther this is multiball or not, both claimed quite strongly that it is multiball today.
Reinoe here 4826
In post 4826, reinoe wrote:You'll all be happy to know that I got a not-mafia result on boonskies. Because that's how cops in multi-ball get results.
and Beast here
In post 4828, beastcharizard wrote:GM, I didn't want to put myself by calling reinoe mafia so I tried to get someone else to say mafia was in the game first so I didn't look look like a cop.
but has since claimed his cop ness, no longer implies he only checks for mafia. (His Pm gives guilty and not)
Id even go so far as to suggest that for me it is highly likely to be MB.
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In post 5221, Nero Cain wrote:Mod-In the hypothetical situation were there is only a werewolf faction and no mafia faction-would a cop get a guilty on a werewolf?
I confess that I am amazed that investigatory reading is not more common among players.
The Mafia wiki entry on the Cop answers your question thoroughly:
Wiki wrote:The Cop is a role that has the ability to investigate players at Night to discern their alignment...This version of the Cop, and only this version of the Cop, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.
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The exact wording of the Cop's result is not standardized, with the following options being most common.
- Mafia/Not Mafia - This only checks if the target is Mafia-aligned. Werewolves, Serial Killers or other third-party members thus have implicit investigation immunity.
- Town/Not Town - All non-Town players will return an incriminating result, even if they are benign in practice (e.g. Survivor or other third parties with nonstandard Win Conditions).
- Guilty/Not Guilty - Non-Town roles return incriminating or non-incriminating results depending on the moderator's decision.
Because all three wordings of the Cop results are considered Normal, it is possible that I would use any of the three.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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that's not really what I was asking but maybe its not as important as I first thought it was.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 5237, Nero Cain wrote:that's not really what I was asking but maybe its not as important as I first thought it was.
If I had wanted to run an open setup, I would not be running a closed setup. That is my answer to your question and to any question whatsoever about the setup, wording of PMs or night results, or anything that is not a clarification of one's own role or one of the rules on the first page. This includes ostensibly hypothetical questions that are clearly being asked because my answer will have some impact on this game.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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Axle, who is scum if Beast flips town?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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CLAIMING REAL ROLE!!!
In post 3315, beastcharizard wrote:I am really sorry I haven't caught up yet. Stupid math homework and real life.
I am not actually an even-night cop. I am actually a prime night cop. I can only investigate people on prime number nights. The best way I could think of to crumb is to say something about math, which I did in the above post.
That means last night was the first night I was able to investigate someone and tonight I can also investigate someone. I claimed Even-night because I figured the scum would keep me alive tonight so I could get a second result and be more useful to town before my inevitable death.
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In post 5240, Nero Cain wrote:Axle, who is scum if Beast flips town?
He claimed a red check on Reinoe. (as his awesome days play)
So if Beast flips town (and the game is normal no death millers(who lie about their flips)) then either Reinoe is scum or town probably deserves to lose.
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ok yeah. Ren is obv but there'd still be like 2-4 more scum. Any reason you are afraid to name names?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 5240, Nero Cain wrote:Axle, who is scum if Beast flips town?
This did not say name the whole team.
In post 5245, Nero Cain wrote:ok yeah. Ren is obv but there'd still be like 2-4 more scum. Any reason you are afraid to name names?
also you are asking me to speculate about he whole team under an assumption i have not been actively considering.
If I am wrong about beats I need to re-evaluate lots of stuff about how I play the game, and make reads and just how townies will plausibly play as i find his play highly implausible as town. However flip would change that.
The there are the associative tells. I know i am town but who else was pushing for a an unlikely l but you say hypothetical town beast. Which people were actually TMI wking and which were legitimate.
yeah if i am wrong about beast, I expect significant amounts of my current reads to change.
Afraid to name names? FFS.
I been voting and pushing TSO D1, Josh B D2 and voted him again at the start of today. There is some names.
I have had serious suspicions of GM's posting. I have questioned yours, I have ...gak only knows.
TSO and GM have played somewhat differently recently.
I have 700+ frickin posts and you having failed to troll the host want to drag me of down some hypothetical what if beast is town who is scum then path?
BTW something top of the mind of scum teams at this moment is working out which town patsy, to setup for lylo....
so yeah some of my reads and the reasons for them are mine.. and not in the thread yet. Are you claiming I should have said even more stuff....?-
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In post 5247, beastcharizard wrote:Look at my change in claim. It makes no sense and is very illogical. You can't deny that I am Scum anymore.
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