Open 21 - Friends and Enemies (Game Over), before 453

[Lawrencelot]

Note: didn't read Sir T's posts in this last post, but that argument against Lowell is good too. I wonder why he thinks Lowell is scum with Adel, which is possible, but it's also possible bird is scum.

[Sir Tornado]

Oh, and by the way, I am not going to be voting for anyone just yet.

1) I am opposed to quick voting of Lawrencelot, and do not like Lowell's suggestion of a quick lynch and --

2) I don't like the bandwagon developing on Lowell just yet, because --

3) I am all for having a much bigger day 3. Wait till Bird gets back, and we get his feedback

[Patrick]

Votecount

Lawrencelot (2) -- Lowell, Albert B. Rampage
Lowell (2) -- Lawrencelot, Adel

Not Voting: Ripley, Sir Tornado, bird1111
7 alive, 4 to lynch.

[Ripley]

Failure to NK ABR. I mean why leave ABR? He's the most dangerous mason around... the way he just got Aimee lynch out of nowhere.

That's a very strange example, since it surely shows ABR as a danger to the

town

. Surely that would encourage scum to leave him alive, hopefully to do the same again?

Only 2 people benefit from ABR's non-lynch, myself and Lowell.

Please would you explain how you have benefited and how Lowell has.

Also, you didn't explain why the nightkill of Papaya caused you to change your suspicion from Adel/Lawrencelot to Adel alone.

[Sir Tornado]

Failure to NK ABR. I mean why leave ABR? He's the most dangerous mason around... the way he just got Aimee lynch out of nowhere.

That's a very strange example, since it surely shows ABR as a danger to the

town

. Surely that would encourage scum to leave him alive, hopefully to do the same again?

Only 2 people benefit from ABR's non-lynch, myself and Lowell.

Please would you explain how you have benefited and how Lowell has.

Also, you didn't explain why the nightkill of Papaya caused you to change your suspicion from Adel/Lawrencelot to Adel alone.

ABR had suspected just about everyone except me and Lowell before today, and had stated explicitly on day 2 that he thought both of us were townies.

Look at A Papaya's posts on day 2. They clearly say many times over, that he

wants to lynch Lawrencelot on day 3

. And, he gets NKed on night 2? It is too obvious that Lawrencelot is being framed. (which is why I settled on Adel being scum, but at this instant, it is still close between Adel/Lawrencelot for the scum position for me)

Another factor that must be taken into account is that A Papaya was about to be replaced, and a new player brought into the game. His NK avoided that. This points to the fact that the masons have, till now, completely lost the plot, and the scum wants to avoid letting a new player -- one who would re read the entire thread as a mason.

I suggest we all take a break and reread the entire thread and see if we can arrive at someone other than Lawrencelot/Adel pair as a likely scum. That is precisely what I think Bird will have to do, and why I am waiting for him to post his views on the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This NK talk is way too WIFOMish IMO.

[Adel]

So, besides waiting for the bird1111 post... what should we do?

A couple of players are pressuring Sir Tornado, a couple of others are pressuring Lowell. The cases against me and Lawerencalot and myself are pretty well established and convincing. Basically I'm just killing time until Lowell posts some more or bird1111 posts.

Here is a thought, at some point you and Ripley could switch with me and Lawerencalot. We'll continue the interrogation of Sir Tornado and y'all take Lowell. What do you think?

[Adel]

Making that last post made me think of something: Do you think the distance between Lowell and Sir Tornado is interesting? Could they be a scum pair? They are both responding to pressure by stressing how obvious it is that Law or I are guilty.

[Lowell]

Confirm vote: Lowell

Lowell is the most scummy to me, and I think he's worth lynching today, although not quick-lynching. So don't pile it up, we need to hear what bird has to say.

@Lowell: if you would succeed in getting me lynched, and everybody would see that I am town, would you take the responsibility? How would you defend yourself next day if this happened?

Oh my god. Could anything be more scummy than this?

You found someone to agree with you, so you "confirm vote", eh? How convenient.

Every post... literally every post... of yours has the timing of a scum looking for support.

So, you're asking me HOW I would defend myself IF you turn up town? Hahah wow. That question is idiotic. I won't have to.

Also, in general, saying "lynch him after me!" is a pretty scummy thing to say. An actual townie (again, I need to remind you how townies act) wouldn't want a vengence kill, he would want a correct one.

I'm growing less sure of Adel. Lawrence is waaaay too chummy with her.

[Lawrencelot]

Where did I say "lynch him after me"? And you don't need to remind me how townies act, I'll remind you: townies don't mind answering questions that are directed at them, even if the person who asks it is scum in their eyes. So, I'll ask you again: how would you defend yourself when I turn out to be town?

Lowell's behaviour is really not townie-like. Does anyone know if he behaves like this in other (finished) games too? In another game I saw someone behave exactly the same way, and he was scum. All those exclamations, saying things are so obvious and every other option is idiotic, these things are just not townie-ish.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, he behaves like this in every, every, every single game.

[Ripley]

Here is a thought, at some point you and Ripley could switch with me and Lawerencalot. We'll continue the interrogation of Sir Tornado and y'all take Lowell. What do you think?

Thanks, but you know what, I'm doing just fine with the conventional method of asking questions of whoever I like, whenever I think of any.

I think there is about a 2 in 3 chance that Lawrencelot is scum. However, that works out to us only having a 50-50 shot at winning if he is lynched and is scum and I am lynched as well. If Both of us are lynched and Lawrencelot isn't scum, that is a lost game in my analysis. It would be easy to be in the Lawrencelot wagon, but a hasty mistake would be a game looser.

Unless you think there's a greater than 2 in 3 chance of Lowell being scum, I can't see any logic here that justifies your favoring a lynch of Lowell over Lawrencelot.

It is too obvious that Lawrencelot is being framed. (which is why I settled on Adel being scum, but at this instant, it is still close between Adel/Lawrencelot for the scum position for me)

Huh? If he's obviously being framed, how can he possibly be scum?

[Adel]

Ripley, my suggestion was supposed to be funny, not serious. The best thing Lowell has going for him is that it is only the two scummiest players who are questioning him.

Did I ever say that I favor a lynch of Lowell over lynch of Lawerence? Pressuring Lowell seems like a good idea right now, and if given a chance I'll pressure bird1111. Sir T is making goofs aplenty thanks to the two masons, but I think the whole point of today is to reduce our chances of a mislynch, and have proper evidence for tomorrow.

[Adel]

Friends, take a look at bird1111's activity on mafiascum since his last post here on Monday. Seven posts, as recently as two hours ago. He had the time to post yesterday as well as earlier today.

Scum tell?

[Lawrencelot]

Yes, he behaves like this in every, every, every single game.

Well if that's true, I

Unvote

. His behaviour could be seen townie-like to me, but it didn't because it is very different from what I normally see as townie-like. If he always plays like this, I guess he isn't necessary scum in this game. Still got my eye on Lowell though. And I still think he could be a scum pair with bird. Depends on what bird will say.

[Lawrencelot]

Yes, he behaves like this in every, every, every single game.

Well if that's true, I

Unvote

. His behaviour could be seen townie-like to me, but it didn't because it is very different from what I normally see as townie-like. If he always plays like this, I guess he isn't necessary scum in this game. Still got my eye on Lowell though. And I still think he could be a scum pair with bird. Depends on what bird will say.

Mod: please prod bird1111

[Adel]

Hello? Is anyone out there?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mod: please prod bird1111

[Patrick]

It's already been done.

[Patrick]

I will likely replace bird1111 if he doesn't pick up his prod within the next 12 hours or so. That doesn't mean that the rest of you have to stop playing.

[Adel]

The game is so stalled out... and I was finding it frustrating to begin with.

Mod:

What is the status of the replacement for bird1111? He hasn't been active on this site, but his last post was about 48 hours ago.

[Patrick]

I've PMed someone to possibly replace him -- the same player who had agreed to replace A Papaya earlier except it become unnecessary. If that doesn't work I'll post in the replacements thread and ask around a few more people.

[Lawrencelot]

Just posting that I'm still here.

[Patrick]

Jalyn replaces bird1111. Welcome to the game!

[Jalyn]

I'm on page 10 I'll post with thoughts as soon as I have some.