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Post Post #5400 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:38 am

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I would keep a light splash for Flying crane technique since its likely free anyway.

Weapon master and tracker are pretty easily cuttable, but there's a chance its correct to play the snowhorn riders off the free splash as well. The black is almost certainly replacable, and if it isn't you should almost certainly be only playing throttle of the cards he's playing.
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Post Post #5401 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:09 am

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Why am I not surprised that you would ask for advice about a format you've almost never played, and then insist you know more about the format than someone who plays it every other week.

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Here's the fucking pool, have fun jacking off over how much better you are at Magic because you played a pre-release, you self-absorbed arsewipe.
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Post Post #5402 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:10 am

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Knowing that the manabase you posted is bad is not format specific knowledge.
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Post Post #5403 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:54 am

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Spoiler: How I'd Build That Pool
2x Snowhorn Rider
1x Avalanche Tusker
1x Jeskai Windscout
1x Kheru Spellsnatcher
2x Alpine Grizzly
1x Sagu Archer
1x Archer's Parapet
1x Efreet Weaponmaster
1x Sultai Flayer
1x Highland Game
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2x Crippling Chill
1x Temur Ascendency
1x Savage Punch
1x Disdainful Stroke
1x Dig Through Time
1x Flying Crane Technique
1x Bring Low
1x Singing Bell Strike
1x Weave Fate
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1x Frontier Bivouac
1x Tranquil Cove
1x Swiftwater Cliffs
1x Dismal Backwater
1x Jungle Hollow
1x Bloodfell Caves
1x Rugged Highlands
1x Plains
4x Island
5x Forest
1x Mountain

Manabase is off(may need another White, but Weaponmaster can be a morph and FCT is a finisher) and there is a strong argument for going deeper into black, but I think this overall is the strongest.
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Post Post #5404 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:03 am

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In post 5395, Thestatusquo wrote:Like
6 island
6 plains
6 non basics


I'm saying you are going to get like 1/50 pools that lets you run that manabase.
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Post Post #5405 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:07 am

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I disagree chamber.

I think that a lot of the manabases I see are caused by lack of discipline. Morphs (aside from a few of them) are mostly interchangible. People choose to play ones that are slightly better when they're off color which is just wrong to me. you should be able to make all of your spells besides bombs and premium removal and all of your creatures besides the absolute bombs and morphs be in 1 of 2 colors. This allows the sort of mana base I'm talking about. I think all it takes is discipline. Like, given KoCs pool I could definitely make a 2 color deck splashing 3 colors that had totally acceptable mana using that formula (for instance, not trying to cast 2 double U spells off of 4 U sources.)
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Post Post #5406 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:37 am

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If I'm talking about his pool I think he built it poorly. I think his manabase is closer to how manabases end up in this format than what you are saying though. I've seen like a dozen pools opened on streams give or take and 1 had a manabase like the one you want. I don't think any of the others were even close to a deck that could both win and have a manabase like that. Fuck, most of the time you don't even open the lands for it.


I'm pretty sure I'd cut the non multicolor blue spells from his pool and play the solid white playables that he isn't as well as armament core, that lets you cut the island for a plains. I also cut at least 1 more mountain for a plains.
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Post Post #5407 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:44 am

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You are not going to have a sealed pool where you can be one or two colors upwards on 90% of the time, shea. This set is very janky in sealed and due to all the fixing rewards going deep in multiple colors.

The deck I posted is something similar to what you are suggesting and is about as close as you can get to a focused 2-color deck in sealed in this format without the god-pool.

Like, go watch Cheon or MJ or any of the streamers streaming the PTQQ and you'll see some wild manabases.

Draft is completely different, of course, and I think the closer to two colors you get in draft the better.
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Post Post #5408 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:52 am

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You might need some alpine grizzlies to make savage punch better. Hmm (with the way I was talking about building it) This is why I hate building pools without the cards in front of me.
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Post Post #5409 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:18 pm

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With GP San Antonio coming up shortly, who is all going that is here on MS?
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Post Post #5410 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:10 pm

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PV is!
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Post Post #5411 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:37 am

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I mean I personally disagree with the "default to a four/five color deck" crowd and I'd much rather build a base two colored clan deck. I went 6-2 at my last PTQ with UR Temur while my brother playing Abzan featuring Blue went 4-4 and that was despite him having reasonable fixing into blue sometimes he'd be just missing white or something. I know in one of the two rounds I lost that I lost game one to drawing eight lands including both my RG tap lands, four mountains and two forests aka no blue sources; Thousand Winds is a powerful card but not when you have to desperation cast it as a Gray Ogre, same with all the commons five colors morphs.
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Post Post #5412 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:07 am

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In post 5409, kdowns wrote:With GP San Antonio coming up shortly, who is all going that is here on MS?

In post 5410, Natirasha wrote:PV is!


Already registered!

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Post Post #5413 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:18 am

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Im of the 3 color crowd that wants to splash for the most powerful fourth color


(I plyed sealed in the gp, went azban, splashing blue off 3 lifelands and 1 banner. Deck was asburd enough for me to do that- i played for the super long game though, ao justifying my high mana cost splash.)
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Post Post #5414 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:28 am

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I got my lotuses signed! Wooooo

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The hand that i kept that knocked me out pf contention for D2...
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Post Post #5415 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:38 am

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I am surprisingly jealous of that Lotus. Nice piece of history there.
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Post Post #5416 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:39 am

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You getting a lotus signed bothers me so much.
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Post Post #5417 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:57 am

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It doesn't bother me as much as the fuckers who get them graded.
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Post Post #5418 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:26 am

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These posts are only getting me more excited for GP ottawa which will be my first GP.
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Post Post #5419 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:31 am

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Where are you from beeboy? Ottawa?
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Post Post #5420 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:33 am

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In post 5419, chamber wrote:Where are you from beeboy? Ottawa?


No I am from Toronto I am going down for the weekend
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Post Post #5421 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:38 am

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In post 5416, chamber wrote:You getting a lotus signed bothers me so much.

I don't think I could do it. I had a hard time getting Christopher Rush to sign old Mana Leaks (sidenote: he's the coolest artist to talk to besides RK Post. Loved talking about weird art requests from WotC)
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Post Post #5422 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:41 am

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@Klazam- where did you get that Giant Lotus card?
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Post Post #5423 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:04 am

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I know theres differing persecptives re: signatures, so lemme give you context.

It was my 18th birthday, i get a package from my uncle. A cigar box. I open it up to find the black lotus. (Best present ever)

It turns out way back then, my uncle actually opened the lotus from a pack, one of 3 he had. He sold them a couple years later, along with most of his M:tg collection to purchase a house.

Before my 18th birthday, the uncle tracked down the person he sold one to, and asked him if he was willing to give it back to uncle for my bday gift, the person agreed.

I was really throlled about this, naturally. But i do not have the kind of captial to even think about getting a vintage deck, so i framed it. I view it as an artwork.

Then a few weeks ago, when i knew i was going to the gp, and found out chris rush was gonna be there, i had a big internal discussion about wheter or not to get it signed. I finally decided to, for the following reasons:
A) to me its a piece of art, and art should have the artist's signature
B) i personally like signed cards, i think it just adds a extra coolness factor, knowing that the card actually met its illrustator.
C) i knew that a signed black lotus might be deprecated in value to many collectors, but on the other hand, due to its history i was never gonna sell it

So yeah, i got somebody to sharpie my lotus.

PegrineV: that same uncle bought a game store that went under. The big lotus, and a big juzam djinn was included with the other stuff, so he gave me all the mtg related stuff.
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Post Post #5424 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:13 am

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If that makes y'all cringe, here's a piece of power recently purchased by someone on a magic group I'm in

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