BillyTwilight wrote:Why YogurtBandit=scum:
Post #'s 78, 79: I don't like the first sentence in post #78. It seems to come more from the psychology of scum than town; in a way he states "I wish that BM looked scummy enough to lynch, but he doesn't right now so I am just going to FoS him."
Post #85: Votes BM over really shitty reasoning. He follows TCS bandwagon call and claims that he read BM's "scumtell" and that was reason enough to vote him. First, the scum tell came before YB's post #81, so he had already read that "scumtell" and not seen anything there to vote for, but when TCS voted, YB was quick to follow. This was the 7th vote on BM's early wagon, and unjustified to boot.
Post #99: Unvotes BM because he gets a "pro-town" feel on him, although Battle Mage did nothing between post #'s 85 and 99 that I can see that makes him more protown. However, YB did pick up a few votes in the interim, from Jack, BBB and BM; couple that with several people commenting that BM's wagon looked suspicious makes me feel that YB's distancing from the wagon was scum trying to back off from a town lynch that had soured. He also IGMEOY's Jack in this post, which seems OMGUSy to me.
Post #'s 101, 103: Nothing much here; BBB does point out that Yogurt's post #99 has a weird vibe because he attacked Jack for FoSing BBB for voting YB. I think this is evidence of scum not thinking things through. He wanted to go for Jack because of Jack's vote and call for a wagon, but didn't think through exactly what he was doing, just threw the IGMEOY out for no really good reason.
Post #120: He defends himself against my post #106, where I ask for clarification on post #99. His answers are unsatisfactory. Says he doesn't exactly know why he thought BM was protown; reasons that it might be because BM said that he acts scummy as town, etc. Not a satisfactory answer to why he claimed suspicion of Jack as well and criticizes BM for his playstyle. Although the last part seems ok out of context, in the thread he was merely echoing the thoughts of others from that part of the conversation. I find scum do this often, to seem as though they are contributing without saying anything substantial or that hasn't already been covered in thread.
Post #124: He's back on the BM wagon, with an FoS instead of a vote this time. Again the reasons are not great (same old BM acts scummy on purpose but maybe this time he is scum argument). I don't like how he said "I don't feel like voting you now," then FoSes him instead. Seems to me like he learned his lesson from the last time he tested the BM wagon-waters and is more hesitant about throwing down a vote on him.
Post #136: Chastises Albert for not voting his conscience. The first of several posts where YB adopts a preachy posting style. It's very manipulative and soapbox-like, and again contributes nothing to what has already been said in thread. Follows that with an Albert vote, jumping onto the next burgeoning bandwagon available.
Post #138: Chastises Albert for joining bandwagons.
Post #162: Completely useless comment about when a lynch will happen.
Post #165: Answers a question from Jack intended for Glork. He does this several times in the thread, might be a personal scumtell from him. I think he thinks answering questions in game makes him look more town and helpful, even if those questions are for other players and have nothing to do with him.
Post #173: Unvotes, but HoSes Albert and BM. I don't understand why a player has a vote on someone, then out of the blue unvotes them but leaves a large amount of suspicion on them. He gives a terrible reason for this (they keep flip-flopping, so I will unvote them, but I will keep an HoS{? - wtf is the point of an HoS?}, because I hear of their scummy behavior). He then begins questioning HJ. Asks him for anything he sees different or more scummy about BM's play, makes a statement that doesn't even make sense to me about how HJ would only think the way he's thinking because scum would think that way, and another question about asking Glork something about his behaviour that also doesn't make sense to me. I think the most significance in this post is not the content itself, but where it was directed. Glork at the time had attacked HJ for HJ joining the BM wagon, and HJ obviously began to defend himself. Everyone knows Glork's reputation for scum hunting, and whither or not Glork is scum a newb scum is likely to follow where Glork leads. This is the first mention that I can see from YB to HJ, and his timing seems funny to me. I think he saw Glork attacking HJ, and knowing Glork's ability to get people to follow him he jumped in early as well, hoping that a wagon would form against HJ. Otherwise I don't see the point of this post, as the questions for HJ are not well thought out don't really add a lot to that conversation.
Post #246: Clarifies his unvote of Albert, then FoSes Albert (again) while twisting a statement of Albert's way way out of context. He then asks Guardian why Guardian thinks TCS might be scum.
Post #248, 250: Unsatisfactorily defends his twisting of Albert's words.
Post #252: Defends Guardian against Jack, again answering a statement (not really a question) for someone else.
Post #261: Rolefishing, and stupid to boot. Let's not try to out any masons or other power roles on day 1 please.
Post #264: Back on the soapbox. Basically comes down to not liking Jack posting short posts. He defends Guardian again. Claims he's not attacking Jack, but then FnoSes him (btw, I hate these various levels of FoS; not saying they are scummy, but they
are
stupid).
Post #'s 268, 270, 272, 274, 276, 278: Very weird conversation about claiming town (I think about claiming vanilla town). Can't tell if YB was trying to get Albert to slip up or if it was just banter.
Post #'s 282, 286, 288, 292: Extreme soapboxing here. Attacks Jack for his jokey playstyle, takes the game to a role playing extreme, and culminates in a Jack vote - which is strange. He doesn't give a reason for voting Jack; in fact, Jack hasn't really done anything since YB's earlier FnoS (boo!), yet YB votes him. It seems the vote is placed more because Jack refuses to change his play style than anything else. I don't know that this is scummy, but it could be opportunistic, and its definitely trying to be manipulative.
Post #'s 297, 298: Addendum to the conversation about taking the game seriously.
Post #301, 304, 308, 319, 345: Nothing here, except a small attack against BM and more defense of Guardian.
Post #348: Asks TCS why he joined Guardian's bandwagon
Post #349, 353, 355, 357, 360, 367: Begins a particularly suspicious lurker-hunt for N9V. The timing is incredibly strange and out of the blue, and is a distraction from the Guardian wagon that is forming. I find it most suspicious because he doesn't vote for N9V. When people start voting N9V he attacks them for it, and "takes the high road" of asking for a prod. During this part of the game Guardian constantly refers to YB as noob town. All in all a fairly good distraction away from the Guardian wagon that was forming.
Post #381: Back tracks a little on Guardian, and wants Guardian to answer some points that AE made. Although not as bad, this still falls in the answering/commenting on other people's questions.
Post #393: Good vote for TCS.
Post #399: His first "random" pbpa. Target: TCS. Not a lot of content. He accuses TCS of a bandwagon mentality, although he has mostly bandwagoned throughout the game himself. I really don't mind this post too much. It's a little forced and has a strange feel to it, but TCS isn't a very townie player so far in this game, and I don't mind the vote.
Post #402: Defends himself against AE about his early BM votes/FoSes. Basically a repeat of the unsatisfactory answers he gave me in post #120.
Post #405: Attack's Jack for attacking him.
Post #410: "Random" pbpa. Target: MBL. Again mentions masons. A completely ridiculous and unneeded post. Puts a bunch of "HMMMMM"s in there, which means absolutely nothing. This post seems ridiculously scummy to me and makes his post against TCS look bad. It's like he thought, "well, I did one pbpa and I better do another just to make sure people don't think its strange that I did the first one". This is probably one of the scummiest posts in the game, regardless of player.
Post #'s 425, 426, 439, 441: Defends his "random" pbpas. He can't seem to decide if they were just random, or there were specific reasons he picked those players (especially MBL). Its all rather ridiculous and senseless.
Post #447, 448, 450, 452: Begins his silly "Confirm Vote: TCS" campaign. I am torn a little on this, because I do think TCS has been acting scummy. However, rereading YB gives me the impression that YB is jumping on a screw-up by town. All of YB's posts have actually given me a more townie feel about TCS. YB accuses Jack and TCS of "staging" some posts about TCS always acting scummy or somesuch. Also attacks Jack for defending TCS on metagame information.
Post #'s 455, 459, 460: Guardian in post #453 offered up some kind of picking-out-a-movie-randomly explanation for YB's "random" pbpas. YB latched on to that description and again defends his calling those pbpas "random". When Jack questions him on it he kind of brushes it aside; he then continues his attack on Jack because Jack doesn't feel we can read too much into TCS acting scummy.
Post #467, 470, 474, 481: More attacks of TCS. TCS again goes after Guardian, and YB again defends him. Then Guardian tells YB that his (Guardian's) logic is hypocritcal in post #468. This is a very interesting conversation. It seems that Guardian is trying to coach YB away from defending him so much because he feels he is getting in real trouble. However, this all culminated with another Confirm TCS vote from YB.
Post #'s 516, 520: Another confirm vote for TCS (woohoo!). Again points out TCS contradictory play; YB's really latched onto that and trying for the kill, I think.
Post #'s 625, 627: Again answers someone else's question, this time AE's question to Jack about me.
Post #640: Don't like the way he was baiting Albert here.
Post #692: Defends Guardian against Glork, again.
Post #747: Again answers questions for someone else, this time from MBL to Guardian.
Post #754: Confirm Votes TCS.... Again! YAY
Post #'s 823, 827, 838: The answers to MBL's hypothetical question. Not sure how I feel about these posts, mostly because I am not sure how I feel about how "fair" the question is, and if it really accomplishes anything.
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What I read from all of this. YB has had 127 posts so far this game. The vast majority have been inconsequential, and most aren't listed in the above analysis. This bothers me, because it feels like a player is trying to look very active without at lot of contribution. YB also constantly accuses people of bandwagoning, although (especially very early) he partook of wagons almost exclusively. His early vote/unvote of BM reeks of scum being caught jumping on a wagon with no reason and then backing down and trying to save face. He seemed very quick to follow Glork's lead in going after HJ. His "random" pbpas are forced and he made several attempts to defend them that seem to slightly contradict each other. He's been OMGUSy with Jack and TCS and he became very manipulative and preachy with Jack about his playstyle.
My biggest problem with YB is that he attacks players who are under scrutiny, but his questions and assessments of their play don't often make a lot of sense. He follows other players leads (even his attack against TCS originated with other players pointing out TCS' on-again/off-again scummy behavior).
Then there is the thing with Guardian. Both players have constantly backed each other up; Guardian even seemed at one point to be asking YB to stop defending him because he thought he was in trouble.
FoS: Guardian
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On a side note, with this pbpa I feel much better about TCS, simply because of the way YB has gone after him. I don't think they are mafia together, and TCS could be a a SK, but coupled with TCS' play in Clue and the style that he seems to be adapting lately, he's lowered on my radar now.
unFoS: TCS
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Top two candidates for lynch are YB and Guardian.
