Robbery! At The Casino (Game Over)

[Doctor Who]

lol, that was quick.

thanks Majiffy.

Anything really important I should know about before I start reading?

[Doctor Who]

Can the hydra put their names at the end of their post so we know who posted it please.

Thanks.

I am not a hydra.

[Doctor Who]

Spoiler: So, the player I'd found most scummy so far is

"me" unfortunately. Doing all kinds of "analysis" during the RVS, and then being too chicken to vote.

I'm not sure about the Prolapsed wagon. I cant see scum being so ballsy but why would a town post so oddly like that? He is kind of lurking and if he seems anymore scummy than he already has I will vote for him. I don't really have any strong reads so I'm going to do alot of ISOs and post reads TONIGHT.

Guys I have plenty of energy for this. I am willing to do another round of these after more content is available, so dont worry.

Not comfortable voting yet. Especially looking at Shos, and Prolapse to respond, as they are my top 2 scum.

THIS IS A VOTECOUNT LOL

Prolapsed Brain (1): Beck
Desperado (1): Perfect Chaos
Shos (4): geraintm, DrPants, Aronis, BlueBloodedToffee
DrPants (2): theaceofspades, Shos
GrayFoxxxx (1): Desperado
Egg (1): DoubleTrouble


Not Voting: Prolapsed Brain, Egg, GrayFoxxxx
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, October 6 at 3:30 PM Eastern

Accuracy never guaranteed. But

probably

accurate.

[Doctor Who]

Mod - Can you update OP please.

@Who - What are you talking about?

Just reading through what I can so far. I figure that I'd be asked eventually. I'm not a fan of hydras.

[Doctor Who]

So you're saying if you chased the chicken it would be odd? You have veen pretty even keeled about this discussion.

VOTE: unvote[/unvote]

~Trouble

I have no idea how this exchange resulted in an unvote. maybe it'll clear up as I continue to read?

[Doctor Who]

@Doctor Who:

do any of the three sentences DT posted in Post 205 make sense to you?

... but there are more than three sentences in that post?!?

Were they claiming something?

[Doctor Who]

Not lynching:
Shos, Grey, Egg and Dr. Pants

Would be ok with lynching:
Ace, Beck, BBT

Unsure of:
Pro, Gerain, DT, Desp

Please someone kill:
Aronis

Vote Ace

I'm surprised that someone could have really been this sure at this point in the game. The point on Aronis looks like someone asking for a daykill.

At this point it seems clear that DT / egg would not get lynched as they are connected somehow, so wouldn't that mean they should have been on the same list?

[Doctor Who]

prolapsed is still my top read but I would be ok with shos, his play seems off to me

wanna mislynch me again? why this time?

The

mis

lynch struck me as odd - as though shos knows that Beck is town.

[Doctor Who]

I personally think we should no lynch today, and this will be one of the few times I actually suggest this. Here's why:
a) Given how unfocused town currently is, no-lynching and possibly adding extra days to the game benefits town
b) Unless town magically shows up in the final minutes, scum has control of who gets lynched
c) The top suggested compromise is on Aronis, and is being led by one of my scum reads, so screw that

If anyone wants to try to convince me otherwise they are welcome to, I'll check in on the game before the end of the day

From one doctor to another the reasons you are giving really have nothing to do with this game.
a) how focused are any games day 1? (not very)
b) day 1 starts at a really high ratio of town-to-scum, meaning it is less likley to be scum controlled.
c) everyone should have scumreads, but folks need lynchin'. There is a 100% chance of not lynching scum when you no lynch.

By this reasoning you would never lynch on day 1.

[Doctor Who]

@Doctor Who:

do any of the three sentences DT posted in Post 205 make sense to you?

... but there are more than three sentences in that post?!?

Were they claiming something?

I was talking about DT's three questions.

The entire exchange (questions included) were nonsensical, hence my initial post.

[Doctor Who]

... and I'm up to the end of Day 1, circa post 500 page 21.

[Doctor Who]

I expected ika to claim the top post on the page.

[Doctor Who]

I will continue my catchup (hopefully read all of Day 2) later (real day), but in the meantime

Titus - how can you be certain that the scum have a ninja? Assuming that you are a watcher, could there be other roles like jailer or roleblocker that would do the same thing?

I'm wondering why you are so sure that it is only one type.

[Doctor Who]

I watched Egg N1. Got no one visited him. I am odd night watcher so yeah...

Did you ask the mod if you would have gotten "no one visited him" if you were roleblocked?

[Doctor Who]

Late to the party.
I wouldn't havevoted for Dr pants. I didn't see anything scummy in their posts and the people they disliked, I also disliked.

Backed up a bit to start my reread, this happened right after DrPants was hammered D1 really close to the deadline. Would you have voted so there would have been a lynch, or would you have not voted so that there could have been no lynch?

[Doctor Who]

I dislike both of the votes so far. Dislike the people making them.
That wagon yesterday was fishy as anything.

Isn't hindsight wonderful?

How about you stop making vague comments and actually provide some content? Sound good?

Why was it fishy? What didn't you like? Who on the wagon looks like scum to you?

Are you town-reading PB and Aronis?

Pretty sure I said yesterday it was a bad wagon and I would never have been on it.
Wondering what desperado is going to say about aronis. Because he really needs to explain himself

Just answered my own question - you would have no lynched.

[Doctor Who]

Suffering through a lot of Beck nonsense at the moment, wishing PC would just let it go.

[Doctor Who]

ika replaces Beck effective immediately

And then two minutes later this.

VOTE: desp

desp/sho are most likely a team. now to find 3rd.

i have been vaugly following game so there that

How did you get up to speed so quickly?

[Doctor Who]

Like, I've been patiently waiting for town to catch up and realize that Nati is scum since D1. It's really starting to annoy me.

I don't like people ignoring Ika's blatant slip and his lack of explanation for that slip either.

You have been on Nati for a while, but haven't been pushing for the noose. You've been more like "let's save Nati for later".

As for ika, ika just replaced Beck in my read through.

You are at L-1, I'm surprised you are not pushing harder.

[Doctor Who]

you understand i have been losely following the game so i know full well why you are pushing those 2?

i was expecting more but whatever

Answered my own question again.

[Doctor Who]

@Doctor Who:

it might benefit you to see who has flipped what as you're doing your reread. You've posted some comments (suggesting you're suspicious) to a confirmed town mason.

Thanks for the advice, it is working.

I'm reading now about VT vs. Vanilla Townie. I don't think there is anything to be gleaned from how someone claimed VT.

[Doctor Who]

Ace, I implore you to actually read the reasoning behind why I think that people could be scum based off them claiming vanilla. See it sounds like you still think that the scum read comes solely off the vt claim. Is that accurate? If it is, then you are blind and have missed the entire point of this huge battle between Desp, Ika and myself.

The scum read comes from them claiming vt and not vanilla townie. The fact that you cannot grasp this simple concept baffles me and makes me want to see you dead for, at the very least, nothing more than an apparent inability to understand simple concepts.

What is the casino flavor for our role?

[Doctor Who]

I see the confusuion: my post was missing the y in "your", so it said "our".

There are dealers, game operation managers, and a dual-rate floor manager. What are you?

[Doctor Who]

I messed up.

I thought the person who was making a bid deal out of VT was also the person who claimed watcher.

My bad.

Titus - There are dealers, game operation managers, and a dual-rate floor manager. What are you?

[Doctor Who]

can we get back to mass roelcall?

Not after you did this:

I was reading your ISO and I saw this;

i already told you that most of my reads are gut calls and bouncing off people who i think are town.

your not going to get more then that untill i take action tonight

Can you elaborate on what you mean by 'take action tonight'.

no. you can lynch me instead

VOTE: ika

[Doctor Who]

Add this to my post 1575.

In 1082 you talk about taking action tonight.

Then a little later, you claim vanila.

titus im just ingoring you b.c i know your scum now and if your town yous just stupid i have linked 2 games (ONE OF WHICH WE JUST RECENTLY FINISHED) where you did the same jack shit as scum

pedit: dealer, VT

Then by 1239 (referenced in my post 1575), you are called on it, and in 1241 you refuse to answer.

This is a game about discussion, if you refuse to talk then it makes you look scummy.

[Doctor Who]

My main problem with a massclaim is that ika is pushing hard for it, and he is my top scumspect since he won't explain himself. I can't believe that a VT would have night actions.

On the other hand, this could be lylo if there are four scum. There was a JOAT which is a pretty darn powerful role. If so, then I think it would be a good time to claim now.

The mod did say something about lylo, I think.

[Doctor Who]

Also I'll give up three balls if there are 4 scum in a 13 p game.

The joat was also active bulletproof. All I am saying is that it is possible.

I will ISO beck now. If we do massclaim I would feel better if the other mason chose the order.

[Doctor Who]

Beck had blinders on prolapsed brain since PB's first post, but then never really made an effort to convince others. If something worked in a bunch of games at the start of day 1 then that would be pretty easy to go back and find. Seemed a little lazy in looking for other suspects. Strikes me a lot like ika - it is my way or the highway. Beck strikes me as null. What did you see in beck that gave you a protown read?

[Doctor Who]

Prod dodge - if I don't post meaningful commentary within 24 hours then lynch me.

[Doctor Who]

You know, one of my top 3 arguments to have with people is the idea of probable v. possible. Like in this case, while it is possible that there are 4 scum in the game the probability of that being true are next to none.

So now we have to look at your reasoning for pointing out that there is a possibility of 4 scumbags in the game. Are you trying to fear monger the group into making a rash decision? Are you trying to spread the mist and make town think that scum are everywhere around us? Are you scum trying to sow misinformation and distrust? Are you just out of things to say and felt like you needed to say something, anything, even if it made little to no sense?

What are the other two? We can discuss those too.

Am I trying to fear monger the group into making a rash decision? No.

Am I trying to spread the mist and make town think that scum are everywhere around us? No.

Am I trying to sow misinformation and distrust? No.

Am I just out to things to say and left like needing to say something, anything? No. Did it make little sense? No.

I'm VT

. All I can do is think and vote.

So you agree that it is possible there are 4 scum, but I'm scum for being concerned about LYLO? If you don't consider the possibilities, no matter how likely or unlikely, then it will come back to haunt you at some point.

[Doctor Who]

Don't do drugs kids

and eat yiur vegetables.

Get it? Drug dealer?

I could see this as a crumb for a cop too.

[Doctor Who]

could scum fake claim vanilla townie if all the town were given the SAME vt pm without them having been provided it?

A mod wouldn't structure a setup where scum claiming vt would automatically be a scumclaim.

Therefore, scum knew all VTs were dealers.

A mod shouldn't make errors either.

404

A mod error has occurred.

It appears I put passive in Egg's role PM. The role was drafted as an active, and the oversight is regrettable but nonamenable.

Carry on.

Why you are adament that the mod did or didn't do something regarding the scum?

[Doctor Who]

or that one of the claimers is scum? (looks at BBT)

im on break so i will respond to thing more forthcomming later

You mean the person who claimed to have night actions then claimed VT?

confirm vote ika

How is this guy still around? His defense is to NOT TALK ABOUT IT.

[Doctor Who]

Ika, you have to many scum reads.

psst - he keeps talking about being lynched. He is just spewing WIFOM cause he's scum to complicate / confuse.

[Doctor Who]

I guess the biggest problem with me accepting that this is a slip from ika is the fact that it requires believing that, within the span of 40 posts and 12 hours, ika forgot what he posted in Post 1082.

And yet he drunk posts. That's how you can forget what you posted.

i know cus i was drunk at the time. i dunno what i was thinking back then.

have fun though

[Doctor Who]

@BBT: If ika is town, it means he was lying and trying to get reactions.

GC, I had you figured as strong town up until you decided to start defending ika.

I believe in this: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _All_Liars

ika lied, you can't be VT and have a night action.

[Doctor Who]

want to go back to our exchange, which ended in Post 1440. Essentially, you were thought the back and forth between DT and egg was nonsensical -- including, particularly, this post:



In post 205, Double Trouble wrote:@Egg, Going to dance here a bit. If you don't know what I am getting at, refuse to answer thisas being more obvious would be anti-town. Are you a split personality at night? Counting cards or hacking machines, which is worse? Which comes first waiting for the egg to hatch or chasing a chicken around? The answer to this will tell me if you arescum or not.


Now, when I was reading through the game, even though I'm only a dealer, the bolded sentence jumped out to me. The fact that Egg said that hacking machines is worse to him (Post 207) along with the fact that Egg stated he was an investigative role, in comparison to counting cards being "worse" for me as a VT dealer, made sense. That is, Egg's response helped cement to me that he was PR, because he did not answer with a vanialla dealer's response.

I find it odd that this didn't even blip on your radar, and instead was "nonsensical."

This happened when I first replaced in and had just starting was reading the thread. Something seemed off, which is why I posted about it.

Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:17 pm <-started reading thread
Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:54 pm <- my post 1429, where I was confused. I had gotten through 210 posts in about 38 minutes. I am a slow reader.

That's great that you got something out one part of that post, the post as a whole didn't make sense to me. Ever get that feeling that you are missing something?

[Doctor Who]

@BBT: If ika is town, it means he was lying and trying to get reactions.

GC, I had you figured as strong town up until you decided to start defending ika.

I believe in this: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _All_Liars

ika lied, you can't be VT and have a night action.

Not seeing a scum slip =/= defending that player.

I agree with your inequality, but ika hasn't posted squat about his night actions vs. vanilla townie and this allowed him the chance to say "I was lying to get reactions."

Would you lynch ika if it came down to lynching him or missing the deadline?

[Doctor Who]

I know that's when you encountered that particular exchange between DT and Egg. I also encountered it after I replaced in and started reading the thread. However, even though we (supposedly) have the same role, the part of DT's question which specifically invoked our dealer flavor didn't ring any bells to you?

Also, I specifically asked you if you got anything out of any of the three questions DT asked Egg (Post 1431, Post 1432, and Post 1438). That includes DT's question about counting cards or hacking machines. I understand that you have repeatedly said that the entire post didn't make sense to you, but you specifically rejected the idea that any single question -- including the one that referenced our VT flavor -- made sense to you.

It didn't ring any bells for me. Isolating a portions of the post that I was confused about didn't help with my understanding. I had a lot to read up on, and figured that it would make itself known in due time. I also didn't pick up on shos softclaim. What is the point that you are trying to make out of this?

[Doctor Who]

Also what is this "Floor Manager

I believe

" bit in Post 1597? Like, she wasn't certain that's what her role PM said, or she wasn't certain if that's how her role PM would fit into Doctor Who's three types of casino employees?

Spoiler: Dead

Dr Pants, Dealer

VT

Lynched D1
Egg, Gaming Operations Manager,

JOAT (Active Bulletproof, Roleblock, Doctor, Rolecop)

Killed N1
theaceofspades, Dealer,

VT

Lynched D2
Aronis, Dual-Rate Floor Manager,

Mason

Killed N2

The "believe" part bugged me too, as does the fact that our mason was also a "Dual-Rate

Floor Manager

". The flavor roles are similar, which would make for a safer fakeclaim.

DT (now Titus) egged our JOAT into claiming too. Pun intended.

[Doctor Who]

i like how dr who has yet to say his "flavor" he jsut claimed VT

Did you really ask that
Even though it is obvious?
Although this is ika so
Let's get serious:
Everyone who is vanilla
Really doesn't have night actions.

[Doctor Who]

In addition to items that I have already presented, I believe that Titus is scum.

Take a look back at Day 1, please follow along with this train of thought, these items are in chronological order.

Probably gonna have to rely on my nice powerful role to catch scum.

^This is the first time Egg alludes to having a power role, he does it on his own while he has one vote (from DT / Titus).

By the way, I already know who I'm investigating tonight. So that's a plus.

^Second time he mentions a role, he still only has one vote.

Post 33 didn't look so serious to me without the other post that Gray pointed out. What's funny is that with that other post, you are actually right about Gray's actions, which is why I unvoted. I misinterpereted Post 33 as a joke. If I was intentionally misrepping it, why would I unvote in my next post?

Why are you trying to run up an investigative power role?

^Egg brings it up again, he still has only one vote. He is responding to DT.

By my count, DT is at L-2. No claiming accidental hammers. Realize I may be off on my count.

^This is key: DT really was at L-2.

@Egg, Going to dance here a bit. If you don't know what I am getting at, refuse to answer thisas being more obvious would be anti-town. Are you a split personality at night? Counting cards or hacking machines, which is worse? Which comes first waiting for the egg to hatch or chasing a chicken around? The answer to this will tell me if you arescum or not.

So what does DT do at L-2? Try to figure out what Egg's role is. Why would town need to know what Egg's role is? Scum who are at L-2 would be included to coax more information out of town before they are lynched. Egg was nowhere near to being lynched, yet DT coaxes out a claim.

Hi!

VOTE: DoubleTrouble

^Desp makes it DT at L-1. What does DT do?

shit. Desp getting on a counter to prolasped while claiming Grey is scum for making a cw makes zero sense.



Egg can claim for us. We are the opposite of him or hr is full og shit.

^Makes the case that it is safe for Egg to claim. How the hell is it pro-town if you think that egg is a watcher / tracker to put this info out on Day 1?!?!?!? You are not a doctor!

This isn't risky, it is scummy. Town at L-1 doesn't coax a roleclaim from town, that's what scum does.

I will look at the vote count before placing my vote on Titus. I still like ika for scum also.

[Doctor Who]

I think this is correct. I've got my spreadsheet dusted off. I don't want to send the game into night until I post a few more observations.

Day 4: 4 votes required out of 7 players - Deadline is Sat 11/22/14 12:00 EST; updated through post 1833
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)
Titus_______________3______ika (1796), shos (1804), Formerfish (1833)
no vote_____________2______Doctor Who, Green Crayons
ika_________________1______BlueBloodedToffee (1830)
shos________________1______Titus (1824)

[Doctor Who]

Here are all of the lynch wagons.

Day 1: 7 votes required out of 13 players - Deadline is Mon 10/6/14 15:30 EST; updated through post 509
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)

Dr Pants

____________7______Formerfish (486), Green Crayons (489), shos (491), ika (492),

Aronis (494), Egg (505)

, BlueBloodedToffee (509)
shos________________4______

geraintm (319)

, Doctor Who (324),

Dr Pants (439)

, Titus (468)

Aronis______________1______theaceofspades (308)

Titus_______________1______

Natirasha

(167)

Day 2: 6 votes required out of 11 players - Deadline is Sat 10/4/14 14:30 EST; updated through post 1340
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)

theaceofspades

______6______Green Crayons (1145), Formerfish (1262), BlueBloodedToffee (1330), ika (1332),

Natirasha

(1333),

geraintm (1340)

Green Crayons_______3______

Aronis (1075)

, Titus (1116), shos (1324)
Formerfish__________1______

theaceofspades

(727)
no vote_____________1______Doctor Who

Day 3: 5 votes required out of 9 players - Deadline is Sun 11/9/14 14:30 EST; updated through post 1780
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)

Natirasha

___________5______Green Crayons (1563), BlueBloodedToffee (1565), shos (1772), Formerfish (1778), ika (1780)
ika_________________2______

geraintm (1700)

, Doctor Who (1718)
BlueBloodedToffee___1______

Natirasha

(1446)
shos________________1______Titus (1657)

FF - been on all three lynch wagons, was "convinced" to vote Nati

even though he hadn't voted her all game

. Lynch on Nati could be bussing. If you are going to bus a scumbuddy, might was well be on vanilla scum.

GC - also been on all three lynches, but was on the start of the Nati wago. Likely town.

shos - on first and third lynches. Likes to vote around a lot (had voted 9 times day 1)

ika - on all three lynches. Although Nati was stum, ika apparently likes to hammer no matter what (which is convenient when bussing). That said, ika's predecessor Beck was all over Nati from the start day 1, this makes me re-evaluate my read on ika (even though I'm still bothered by a VT having night actions).

BBT - on all three lynches, had been voting Nati for a while before.

Titus - has yet to be on a lynch.

DW - also has yet to be on a lynch. I hadn't replaced in until Day 3, and Day 3 ended before I got a chance to post.

Nati was not on the Day 1 mislynch, which pretty much guarantees at least one scum on the lynch wagon.

Based on just votes, FF moves up my scumlist.

[Doctor Who]

Anyone else go back and re-read PB / Nati?

VOTE: Natirasha
May not quite be hard enough to lynch the slot, then. Nati, why did you ISO yourself? only scum do that.

townpoints, this was a third vote on Nati.

(and for those in the cheap seats, yes this is me protecting my 'scumbuddy')

Unvote

^would have been WIFOM if it wasn't on geriantm

If they're actually masons, they have to be NKd before endgame, so we are not lynching them day 2. That's dumb.

^said to shos

You for the boring easy targetism, and pick two of the lurkers not really posting.

Pretty much everyone actually talking feels town.

I wouldn't be surprised if Desp or shos was scum, though see above.

^closest thing to a suspect list?

Maybe it's because I didn't read.

^lazy scum is lazy. Geez, she was so scummy in hindsight, it being 20/20 and all.

I'm going to assume you thought this was made sense, but I can assure you that it doesn't.

I agree and I honestly do feel bad that I can't 'get in' to this game.

Why the fuck is Titus claiming more?

^perhaps this was anger at a scumbuddy?

[Doctor Who]

Intent to hammer Titus.

[Doctor Who]

check the predacetor, theres even ore stupidity in it

Does this meen to look at Desp since GC replaced Desp?

[Doctor Who]

5. Natirasha (replaced Prolapsed Brain)

^

I started with PB, and there wasn't any substance to it, he generally was doing enough to just look like he was active.

Kudos to Beck though for seeing right through it at the beginning.

[Doctor Who]

I was waiting to see if there were any objections, since this would make the day short. I see several have posted since my intent to hammer, and there is no objection.

VOTE: Titus

[Doctor Who]

We're in a 2/5 LYLO situation, yes?

Why wouldn't this be obvious to you? After all, you saw the "dealer" in Titus post that you are trying to hang me with. I'm town - I saw something that I didn't understand so I asked. Would scum put things do such a thing?

So by your own logic, should we all suspect you for asking if we are in LYLO?

[Doctor Who]

does anyone want to expalin to me how a 2 shot commuter makes sense with all the flipped power right now?

I have never played a game with a commuter. I recall that there was some discussion about this earlier in the thread though (although it might be by the dead).

[Doctor Who]

Here are all of the lynch wagons.

Day 1: 7 votes required out of 13 players - Deadline is Mon 10/6/14 15:30 EST; updated through post 509
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)

Dr Pants

____________7______Formerfish (486), Green Crayons (489),

shos (491)

, ika (492),

Aronis (494), Egg (505)

, BlueBloodedToffee (509)

shos

________________4______

geraintm (319)

, Doctor Who (324),

Dr Pants (439)

,

Titus (468)

Aronis______________1______theaceofspades (308)

Titus

_______________1______

Natirasha

(167)

Day 2: 6 votes required out of 11 players - Deadline is Sat 10/4/14 14:30 EST; updated through post 1340
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)

theaceofspades

______6______Green Crayons (1145), Formerfish (1262), BlueBloodedToffee (1330), ika (1332),

Natirasha

(1333),

geraintm (1340)

Green Crayons_______3______

Aronis (1075)

,

Titus (1116), shos (1324)

Formerfish__________1______

theaceofspades

(727)
no vote_____________1______Doctor Who

Day 3: 5 votes required out of 9 players - Deadline is Sun 11/9/14 14:30 EST; updated through post 1780
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)

Natirasha

___________5______Green Crayons (1563), BlueBloodedToffee (1565),

shos (1772)

, Formerfish (1778), ika (1780)
ika_________________2______

geraintm (1700)

, Doctor Who (1718)
BlueBloodedToffee___1______

Natirasha

(1446)

shos________________1______Titus (1657)

FF - been on all three lynch wagons, was "convinced" to vote Nati

even though he hadn't voted her all game

. Lynch on Nati could be bussing. If you are going to bus a scumbuddy, might was well be on vanilla scum.

GC - also been on all three lynches, but was on the start of the Nati wago. Likely town.

shos - on first and third lynches. Likes to vote around a lot (had voted 9 times day 1)

ika - on all three lynches. Although Nati was stum, ika apparently likes to hammer no matter what (which is convenient when bussing). That said, ika's predecessor Beck was all over Nati from the start day 1, this makes me re-evaluate my read on ika (even though I'm still bothered by a VT having night actions).

BBT - on all three lynches, had been voting Nati for a while before.

Titus - has yet to be on a lynch.

DW - also has yet to be on a lynch. I hadn't replaced in until Day 3, and Day 3 ended before I got a chance to post.

Nati was not on the Day 1 mislynch, which pretty much guarantees at least one scum on the lynch wagon.

Based on just votes, FF moves up my scumlist.

Day 4: 4 votes required out of 7 players - Deadline is Sat 11/22/14 12:00 EST; updated through post 1862
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)

Titus

_______________4______ika (1796),

shos (1804)

, Formerfish (1833), Doctor Who (1862)
ika_________________1______BlueBloodedToffee (1830)
no vote_____________1______Green Crayons

shos________________1______Titus (1824)

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Scum is in FF / GC / BBT. If ika is scum, then kudos.

FF - came in out of nowhere to vote Nati (hadn't voted her before - I need to look at ISO to see if there was even any suspicions).

GC - bogus case on me (and since Titus was town, how could Titus directly have asked about being a dealer), brings up how he suspected me along with Titus and shos. That's 0 for 3, with 0 for 2 confirmed.

BBT - process of elimination, Beck covers ika's sins to me since Beck was on PB from the start. Admittedly, I don't like ika's playstyle at all, but the meta from confirmed dead town fits. I need to ISO and see where the votes where when BBT claimed.

[Doctor Who]

I ISOd fish, and these where all the finds on "nati"

Nati isn't suspect to you? Not really doing too much in the game, vote parking right now with tons of shit going on? And are you saying you don't believe the watcher claim from Titus?

maybe b/c anroius knows my shit meta?
maybe b/c we have played before?
maybe b/c hes thinking?

for nati shes alwasy lurkaderp

Maybe you could shut the fuck up for a minute when I am not talking to you and let the guy who was asked the question answer first? You want me to vote you, jump into my line of investigation again and I will vote you on policy alone.

Nati, you have not, but that made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. It could have also been the tasty frosted beverages I am drinking.

And I did see your answer Ika, do I need to comment on everything at once or can I be pissed at you for being a jerk for a second?

I've started this post like 6 times now. I am stuck in circular thinking because a 7 person. Lylo scares the shit out of me. I feel like Nati could be scum, but feel stronger about other people. I would compromise if I had to but I'm still pushing other people first.

^At the time of this post, the Nati wagon had just GC and BBT.

Its not so much that I care about people going vla, its that I get a little annoyed when multiple people in the same game are on extended vla coming into a deadline.

And Green I'm glad that you took that away from what I was saying, [sarcasm]because that's like totally my point.[/sarcasm]

Fuck it.

Vote Nati

^Kapow! In post 1772 shos had voted Nati, giving her 3 of 5 votes needed for a lynch. This pushed the wagon to 4 (L-1).

Sure looks like bussing to me.

[Doctor Who]

We're in a 2/5 LYLO situation, yes?

Why wouldn't this be obvious to you? After all, you saw the "dealer" in Titus post that you are trying to hang me with. I'm town - I saw something that I didn't understand so I asked. Would scum put things do such a thing?

So by your own logic, should we all suspect you for asking if we are in LYLO?

This is you trying to amp up suspicions of me posting stream of conscious thoughts.

Stream of conscious is what you are trying to pin on me - it is hypocritical (aka scummy) for you to suspect me and then except others to exempt you for doing the same thing.

What do you think about Fish, specifically his Nati vote?

[Doctor Who]

how would you guys like to go yolo and jsut blitz lynch fish for kicks for majiffly last game

and if hes scumw e all go yay, and if he town we all get a good laugh

LOL

[Doctor Who]

I am not scum, you are just going to have to believe me on this.

"I am not a crook"

--Richard Nixon

[Doctor Who]

Maybe it is Fish and BBT

[Doctor Who]

Tour

Found the claim, came when he was the leading wagon with 3 votes (had four, but GC moved off of him to Nati).

BBT was under pressure at the time, as scum a fakeclaim would have kept him in the game longer.

[Doctor Who]

Maybe it is Fish and BBT

why are you not voting either of them then?

LYLO. I'm risk adverse by nature.

How sure are you?

[Doctor Who]

The idea that town would have that much power doesnt seem right to me. I thought that the liar was Titus, and I was wrong. To have a joat, 2 masons, a watcher/tracker, and a commuter doesnt add up at all. Scum would need to have one hell of a power base to offset those roles.

we know that have ninja alone already vis titus

commuter is negative utility by itself to an extent (targeting actions fail)

so im still not convinced on BBT but i will be happy to join you on DR

O really? What did you think of Fish's lynch vote on Nati?

[Doctor Who]

Its not so much that I care about people going vla, its that I get a little annoyed when multiple people in the same game are on extended vla coming into a deadline.

And Green I'm glad that you took that away from what I was saying, [sarcasm]because that's like totally my point.[/sarcasm]

Fuck it.

Vote Nati

Fish, care to explain your vote besides F it?

[Doctor Who]

Well, the person I was voting wasn't getting lynched. We had 2 people that were vla through the deadline. Others put forth a decent reason to lynch Nati (reasons that you yourself quoted me saying earlier in the game fwiw). And we were a few days away from deadline. Read my scum games, thats not the way I bus.

oh really? the underlined is a decent reason? You felt? We all have feelings dude. Not having a good reason to vote someone is scummy, especially on the third day. If you were so scared of lylo, then why were you ready to lynch someone who wasn't even in your top 2 (you did feel stronger about other people). You

knew

that ika would come in and hammer, and he did

two posts later

. How could you "push other people first" when your vote was basically the lynch vote?

I've started this post like 6 times now. I am stuck in circular thinking because a 7 person. Lylo scares the shit out of me.

I feel like Nati could be scum

, but

feel stronger about other people

. I would compromise if I had to but I'm still pushing other people first.

[Doctor Who]

Oh shit I just realized this is FF and not Doctor.

This from the guy who suspects me for reading comprehension.

[Doctor Who]

I paused my ISO review because yawn.

What do you think about Fish, specifically his Nati vote?

From my POV, if there was a bus on Nati it was either BBT or FF. I doubt it was BBT because he was the one who actually convinced me to get back to the Nati vote. So if there was a bus on Nati, FF is it.

I'm glad someone is paying attention to what's happened in this game.

Fish/Who for scum is where I'm at right now.

Really? What for?

[Doctor Who]

GC suspects DR/???
DR suspects BBT/FF (correct me if wrong)
I suspect FF/DR
BBT suspects FF/DR

hmmm even with this updated list there seems to be a lot of FF/DR overlap yet the votes lay elsewhere (looks at FF)

pedit: ya its most likely FF/DR right now but i want to see how this plays out

DR "analysis" on FF looks what i would say "knowledgeable"

I do vote analysis. Please ISO my last game.

[Doctor Who]

VOTE: FF

[Doctor Who]

Hammer Time!

[Doctor Who]

Thanks for running Majiffy!

Good game everyone.

[Doctor Who]

Had the Watcher / Tracker not spoken up on Day 1, then it could have been played as Vanilla. I thought I read somewhere that if you are a watcher / tracker these days you can safely assume that there are ninjas. Without the watcher / tracker, there was still a JOAT and masons.

Once everyone claimed, it basically set up all of the night kills except shos.

[Doctor Who]

I thought there was a chance that it could carry you until the end, which is also why I saw how it could be interpreted multiple ways.