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[Paradoxombie]

I know, but it seems like alot of work to argue with that many points. I need individual situations like 3 at a time maybe, because I get the feeling you'll argue with some of my answers and I don't want to have to go back and forth in like 20 arguments all at once.

You might as well sort out the ones I've already explained, too. I don't care if you want to cite them as evidence, but I don't feel like having to repeat my reasoning if I already went through it.

It's not like I remember everything that's happened that well, I'm gonna have to go through my plays again and recollect my thoughts at the time.

The easiest thing you could do imo is sort all your examples(with post numbers, plz) into the categories you listed in your first quote.

Then

I might be willing to go through them all at once. It's a more efficient way of presenting your case, anyway.

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Day 2, Fourth official vote count:

Paradoxombie (2): gorckat, mustafa15
mustafa15 (1): Thesp
Thesp (1): DeathSauce

Not voting: TeamQuiggan, Paradoxombie, Occult, Raffles, Peter Venkman, CrashTextDummie

10 alive, 6 to lynch.

[Paradoxombie]

Not sure what else could have been said, but I'm a little surprised xombie had nothing to say to why I found him more scummy...

Hmm, Id be very interested in what your expectations were.

[gorckat]

Can't say I had anything specific. Just that it surprised me is all. I explained what made you my number one suspect and you simply accepted it.

[Occult]

Well, Zombie, your recent post sounds alot different then this one.

j/k! Burden of proof, man.

This sounds more like: screw off, I'm not saying nothin'.


Ok, we'll go one suspicion at a time.

We'll start with the one I just brought up, why avoid my accusations and gorkats?

[Paradoxombie]

I don't know what you're talking about since simply by answering this question I am not avoiding your accusations. And I also don't know what you want with gorckat, he made some points and I refuted a couple of them, and I guess my answers were unsatisfactory to him.

[gorckat]

No, the answers weren't. I never unvoted you. And I won't. You've avoided sticking your neck out, afraid waht we'll find.

You're avoiding any reasonable answer to Occult. If you were innocent, I think a little legwork would be worth the effort to clear yourself.

[Thesp]

What changed between then and now that made you add your vote?

I haven't liked Paradoxombie's recent post, particularly this one...

I thought everyone looked suspicious but I couldn't make a decent enough case against anyone. It's not that I was worried about getting on a bad wagon, I was worried If I got on one and then had no real explanation of why I did, except "uhhhh, they were suspicious"

that wouldn't just look bad, I'm pretty sure I'd get lynched in most scenarios

at least I'd lynch someone else who did that.

Then why not say that, rather than "My reasons have been documented"?

Thesp - You think mustafa15 is busing?

Don't know.

j/k! Burden of proof, man.

This troubles me. A burden of proof is often used by scum to set too high a standard for people to meet. This feels...taunting.

Now tell me why you aren't scummy.

This is an awfully loaded question.

Not sure what else could have been said, but I'm a little surprised xombie had nothing to say to why I found him more scummy...

Flagged (for my reference).

I'm not liking anything around the paradoxombie wagon, including paradoxombie.

[mustafa15]

What changed between then and now that made you add your vote?

I haven't liked Paradoxombie's recent post, particularly this one...

I thought everyone looked suspicious but I couldn't make a decent enough case against anyone. It's not that I was worried about getting on a bad wagon, I was worried If I got on one and then had no real explanation of why I did, except "uhhhh, they were suspicious"

that wouldn't just look bad, I'm pretty sure I'd get lynched in most scenarios

at least I'd lynch someone else who did that.

Then why not say that, rather than "My reasons have been documented"?

I was being lazy

[Peter Venkman]

Vote Raffles

-Peter

[Paradoxombie]

ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME?

Occult posted 20 of my 30 posts
and didn't even explain exactly what was scummy about half of them.

And you expect me to prove that I'm NOT scummy? There are no "non-scum" tells!
It's an unfair demand. And it's especially not fair to say that I should put more effort into my defense if occult refuses to put in the minimal effort I need in the accusations to even make a defense.

And I don't know wtf is your problem Gorckat I gave you the only argument I have, THE TRUTH. And you find it unacceptable. I don't know what more you expect from me, but I'm not

trying

to avoid anything.

[Peter Venkman]

@Paradox:

No demand is unfair. If I asked you to jump through a hoop of fire to prove you are town I can

ask

that. The point isn't to see if you actually jump through the hoop, the point is to see how you react.

Your insistence for proof and constant requests to explain why every one of your posts is scummy is a reaction worth noting.

-Peter

[Paradoxombie]

If it's a fair, protown request to ask someone to prove how all the posts are not scummy
then It's a fair, protown request to ask someone to prove how all the posts are scummy

and it's still an unfair demand whether you make it because you actually want me to do it or not.

[DeathSauce]

Just checking back in to say I have seen no reason to move my vote from Thesp. I am still here and paying attention

[gorckat]

DS- any responses to questions/comments towards you or your hysteria around being discussed before and after you left town?

[DeathSauce]

Hysteria might be a little blunt, but it is possible that I over-reacted. I still think Peter and CTD need to be considered suspect because of the VRK lynch and I am deeply uncomfortable with Thesp's playstyle. I will say that Thesp has altered his playstyle somewhat and has started giving some reasons behind his pronouncements.

[CrashTextDummie]

Unvote, Vote: DeathSauce

[DeathSauce]

Unvote, Vote CrashTextDummie

[CrashTextDummie]

DeathSauce, I've asked you

twice

to address a post of mine, so clearly you are not paying attention to the game (despite your claim to the contrary).

[Peter Venkman]

Yeah Deathsauce, the OMGUS votes don't do much for anyone.

You just went on about how you don't like Thesp... than the second anyone casts suspicion on you, you turn on them? Yikes.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Raffles hasn't posted in 9 Days... Prod... Possible Replacement please?

-Peter

[CrashTextDummie]

Almost forgot about this:

Why do you think scum would kill a claimed vanilla?

I thought it was more interesting that someone who had as much suspicion as he was nightkilled. His vanilla claim was what anyone would do Day One, regardless of role.

Not liking this at all.

[gorckat]

xombie or DS? Who's it gonna be?

DS and CTD's reactions are exactly what I expected. I deliberately did not point DS to the post CTD wanted a response to, nor any of the other comments made after he returned (including where I originally pointed out the drama he stirred over accusations against him), but wanted a straight/honest reaction from him.

xombie and DS look like the best bets for scum right now.

[gorckat]

Almost forgot about this:

Why do you think scum would kill a claimed vanilla?

I thought it was more interesting that someone who had as much suspicion as he was nightkilled. His vanilla claim was what anyone would do Day One, regardless of role.

Not liking this at all.

My selective re-read/skim turned up another possibility, but I'm gonna keep it close to the vest right now. Just remind me to share before nightfall.

[DeathSauce]

I did that to point how idiotic it looks to vote for someone with no added context.

[Sefer]

Raffles hasn't posted in 9 Days... Prod... Possible Replacement please?

-Peter

Raffles has been prodded. I'll only look into a replacement if he doesn't respond in 3 days.