Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

[pirate mollie]

since when can weak role death get blocked by a doctor?

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/240614 ~whistles~
There are probably a few other examples from actually MS, but i can't remember them atm, Medical Mafia Open comes to mind tho.

regardless, there absolutely can not be a doctor in this game based on what we already have

and yes, Dan's play is obviously scum

but people don't fucking realize that, and instead take evidence that might contradict how the roles played out as evidence Dan is town

it is shit play like that that frustrates me

I kinda wanted danny lynched on d1 but no1 helped.

and I kind of got distracted by kagami's play only to realize too late something amazing about her.

d3 seems to be when a lull happens and I feel like it is a time when town needs to congeal but I can't do that when there is a bunch of bs flying around and right now I wanna cut through the bs with a scythe.

eta: if danny and mastina are scum it not their bs that I am forced to buy. it is in the wake of haj's fakeclaim and them softclaiming a hard guilty.
eta: jingle did not flip bodyguard so I am confused about what you are saying.

[Curiosity]

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF TOWNS WHO BLATANTLY IGNORE THE FUCKING FACTS AND INSTEAD FALL FOR WHAT IS NOT EVEN MEDIOCRE SCUMPLAY.

This so much

~Wis

[pieguyn]

er, I never said this is role madness, nor do I think it is. Kagami flipped VT

and no, I am excluding a doctor IN THE SAME SETUP as BOTH a gatekeeper and 1x bodyguard. you just don't put that much protection in one setup.

p-edit: @Titus

[Curiosity]

Titus pls tell me you aren't thinkng that we are scum. PLEASE TELL ME THATS NOT WHAT IM READING.

~M

[Sakura Hana]

See mollie you're not following the game.
You're voting masons that Jingle inno crumbed and you didnt read Jingle's role flip.

[Ms Marangal]

We have a shot of your ability, we inherited ns's role

did you use it on me or Dan

~Wis

no

[Ankamius]

Nah, that was the only issue I saw with the claim.

UNVOTE: beeboy
VOTE: ActionDan

PEdit: This is @pieguy. I'm not going back to quote the post.

[Birds of Prey]

Titus pls tell me you aren't thinkng that we are scum. PLEASE TELL ME THATS NOT WHAT IM READING.

~M

See mollie you're not following the game.
You're voting masons that Jingle inno crumbed and you didnt read Jingle's role flip.

Mala, I think you are town but not conftown.

Sak, that's just Jingle rereading the thread.

[Sakura Hana]

If that's just jingle reading the thread why did he die over masons?

[Birds of Prey]

er, I never said this is role madness, nor do I think it is. Kagami flipped VT

and no, I am excluding a doctor IN THE SAME SETUP as BOTH a gatekeeper and 1x bodyguard. you just don't put that much protection in one setup.

p-edit: @Titus

With someone giving out Desperado items, I can see it.

Plus we have a shit ton of cops neighbors masons etc.

[Curiosity]

when exactly did you doubt there was a jk? when you were speccing in the night round? and you went with scum doc over jk? really?

Mason PT, mollie. Yes, those are the possibilities we came up with. We didn't know which it is, but we knew that me shooting AD and not dying meant AD is scum.

~Wis

[Birds of Prey]

If that's just jingle reading the thread why did he die over masons?

Scum misread it
Scum want to frame Masons
Masons are scum and reaching for cred after rolecopping him

That's for starters...

[pieguyn]

I kinda wanted danny lynched on d1 but no1 helped.

and I kind of got distracted by kagami's play only to realize too late something amazing about her.

d3 seems to be when a lull happens and I feel like it is a time when town needs to congeal but I can't do that when there is a bunch of bs flying around and right now I wanna cut through the bs with a scythe.

eta: if danny and mastina are scum it not their bs that I am forced to buy. it is in the wake of haj's fakeclaim and them softclaiming a hard guilty.
eta: jingle did not flip bodyguard so I am confused about what you are saying.

/hug

what I'm worried about is mastin and Ank are trying to sit there misdirecting away from Dan, and everyone seems to be just eating it. that's what I was referring to with that. and yeah, if haj/mastin is somehow town, I'm really going to be fucking pissed.

btw bodyguard was one of Jingle's abilities, although it was limited (it only worked on Time)

[Curiosity]

Yo! Wisdom, any chance you might have overlooked a town doctor healing you since you know 90% of the game thinks you are conftown?

A doc doesn't save a desperado from dying.

We also asked whether we would die if we shot town-BP. the answer was yes.

~Wis

[pieguyn]

ebwop: never mind what i said about Ank, i love you

[Sakura Hana]

If that's just jingle reading the thread why did he die over masons?

Scum misread it
Scum want to frame Masons
Masons are scum and reaching for cred after rolecopping him

That's for starters...

You're reaching

[Birds of Prey]

Yo! Wisdom, any chance you might have overlooked a town doctor healing you since you know 90% of the game thinks you are conftown?

A doc doesn't save a desperado from dying.

We also asked whether we would die if we shot town-BP. the answer was yes.

~Wis

The wiki does not bar that possibility.

[Curiosity]

DOAA CLAIMED TO JAILKEEP ME N2

Dreams, can you confirm this again? Are you sure you didn't jail me?

~Wis

[Birds of Prey]

If that's just jingle reading the thread why did he die over masons?

Scum misread it
Scum want to frame Masons
Masons are scum and reaching for cred after rolecopping him

That's for starters...

You're reaching

That's what people said about Young and Beautiful in InuYasha too.

[Sakura Hana]

For your thought process to make sense you must assume that
1) He actually didnt crumb inno
2) Scum thought it was an inno crumb
3) Masons arent actually masons
5) Scum just got lucky with their kill
6) Time is lying about telling Jingle to scan Curiosity
7) Time is scum
8) Time knows Jingle's alignment
9) Time knew who his subordinate was.

That's quite a lot of assumptions.

[Curiosity]

Mod: Could a doctor heal a hypothetical death from a Desperado claim?

Pie, if a doctor cannot stop a desperado attempt from the attacker (Curiosity) then how could a scum doctor heal Action Dan?

A doc can protect the person who is shot by the desperado. They can't protect the desperado from passively dying when they shoot town. The two are different.

~Wis

[Birds of Prey]

Wrong.

I must asdume that

1) Crumb did not exist.
2) Scum thought it did.
3) Scum killed who they thought was cop.
4) Jingle rejected the mission bc he thought the investigation target sucked or thought Time was scum or thought Wisdom was obvious or...
5) Scum killed Jingle bc crumb mistake.

Gamestate is the same.

[Birds of Prey]

Mod: Could a doctor heal a hypothetical death from a Desperado claim?

Pie, if a doctor cannot stop a desperado attempt from the attacker (Curiosity) then how could a scum doctor heal Action Dan?

A doc can protect the person who is shot by the desperado. They can't protect the desperado from passively dying when they shoot town. The two are different.

~Wis

The wiki makes no such distinction. I literally just had that discussion with Pie and quoted it.

[Ankamius]

ebwop: never mind what i said about Ank, i love you

<3

I don't sheep non-absolutes without being thorough first.

[Curiosity]

i just dont think that pushing that angle confirms him as scum

Weak role death is passive too and can be stopped by a doctor.
Hider death is passive, but can't be stopped by a doctor because hider can't be targeted while hiding.
Methinks Desperado works like the weak role death.

That doesn't make sense. The weak role/desperado are not shot by someone. They reflexively die. Therefore there's not a kill to stop.

Anyway we'll learn soon

~Wis