Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

[Curiosity]

The only way someone can read it and refuse to vote AD is if they think I'm pulling a haj, namely I'm fakeclaiming about having information just because I want AD lynched.

But I assure you I'm no hypocrite. haj was terrible for doing that, and I will never do something I find terrible.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Heh.

Alchemist actually has been online since my post about AD. And chose not to comment.

~Wis

[pieguyn]

You say masons and neighbors happens a lot. Well shit. Show me.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=45635 TH upick 2, me/notsci were masons, Feirei/Varsoon were neighbors

that's the only game I remember, but it's not at all hard to put both in the same setup

[Curiosity]

This game also had both neighbors and masons

~Wis

[pieguyn]

OK

the thing that bugged me about Om basically goes like this: as soon as mastin replaced in, a certain set of players in this game flip flopped on certain key reads in a way I believe might be alignment indicative.

i have this strangest conspiracy theory of ms/pie/wis/+x (possibly haj) scumteam

ms+mollie+Alch+npiau/Dan could be quite possible

also non-americano here

ugh fine
VOTE: danno

Beeboys town, I think

Dan is probscum
Om is scum, I think and Saki is to, I think

tbh im at a point where i basically disagree with every read there except the dan scumread

here he lists Dan as prob scum, votes him, and makes no mention of beeboy in his scum list. then he switches to staying the hell away from the Dan wagon, entirely based on beeboy's switch. then he justifies it with "I can tell when a mislynch is going to happen", when for the most part he wasn't regarding beeboy as scum at all until just now.

I also don't like the way he was sheeping mastin when mastin didn't even look at 90% of beeboy's posts, as indicated by her only commenting on the 2nd page of his ISO. that seems like a very unnatural situation where it would be worthwhile to sheep someone, given that someone had just replaced in and not even read a majority of the game. if he is town, the way he switched was excessively random and it is clear he's just pushing whatever he feels like at the time, which I am not ruling out because some people play like that, but I still think the reasoning here was p bad and slightly more likely to come from scum.

moreover, Ankamius did something similar. he has generally been very quiet, but now he has suddenly started pushing beeboy as scum relatively hard, defending mastin, and pushing the idea that the composition of the mastin wagon is bad.

there ~may~ have been some other people who did this, I need to go back and check, but you may ask where I'm going with this. the conclusion?

One of the things I was looking at and was going to explain to the neighborhood but ran out of time/died was if you cross reference falcons and mastin's reads, bro and pasch came out looking like partners.

Falcon was distancing and had them as scum. Mastin came in and moved them both to town. Bro suddenly dropped his scum read of that slot when mastin replaced in.

I was getting there with that and did the research on falcon as scum, but didn't get to finish.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=35988
this was a game where mastin replaced into a scum slot and a very similar dynamic happened; the scum team, who was all bussing each other, almost immediately flip flopped on all of their reads on each other and started defending each other instead.

I think it's very possible we are witnessing the same thing here. I'm not exactly going to push this now when we don't have any flips, but if any 2 of {mastin, Dan, Om} flip scum, the 3rd should be flashlynched, and atm I'm throwing in Ank for good measure.

[pirate mollie]

This game also had both neighbors and masons

~Wis

you are giving an example that is diametrically opposed to your supposed guilty investigation.

and i wonder why I have zero desire to sheep the alleged investigation.

[pieguyn]

Spoiler:

SAKURA:

Blow a horn and make a callout to Nacho. Tell him one thing, and one thing only.
Mastin is here.
And she wants his help.

Nachomamma8:

Doesn't have to be much. My iso's not that long. Pick up the key points of the key points, and say them in your own words.

This frustration regarding the doublevote doesn't feel natural either. Why are we supposed to believe her anyway?

Because I SAID so, dammit!

Mastin is defending two scum so far. Maybe pie is right about her

Aaand, when via a combination of nightkill and lynch we continue to one after another turn up town?

Om is town. Period.

Dan is town. Pretty dang sure.

Bullshit, this is quite an oversimplified and forced thought process

Like hell it is.

That was the EXACT dang thought process I used in AP's Micro.
Y'know.
Where I was a neighbor.
TOWN neighbor.
And instantly started 'crumbing...yep. MASON.

YOU WERE IN THAT GAME; YOU SAW IT THERE.

You know I'm right.

Dan is town.

these are the posts that bugged me about mastin btw. the first one looks like scum trying to discredit someone, and re: the 2nd one, I have a lot of trouble believing any town player who is reasonably competent would fail to consider the obvious fact that not only would scum-Dan fake his town neighbor thought process as a scum neighbor, but there IS actually scum motivation for attempting to do so, which I pointed out earlier. someone who is better at reading mastin than me should prob let me know if I'm going wrong here

[Alchemist21]

I'm not voting AD right now because of Haj's shit, and Mastin's posts since replacing in don't make me feel much better about that slot. I'll lynch AD if necessary, but I'm with Gaiden on that the slot needs to be lynched.

[Curiosity]

This game also had both neighbors and masons

~Wis

you are giving an example that is diametrically opposed to your supposed guilty investigation.

and i wonder why I have zero desire to sheep the alleged investigation.

wtf are you even talking about

What does the game have to do with my guilty

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I'm not voting AD right now because of Haj's shit, and Mastin's posts since replacing in don't make me feel much better about that slot. I'll lynch AD if necessary, but I'm with Gaiden on that the slot needs to be lynched.

oi. we

know

AD is scum. You have zero excuse to continue trying to lynch someone else.

~Wis

[pieguyn]

the difference is that haj is complete shit at this game and has literally no idea how mafia works, whereas Wisdom, or any half-competent town player for that matter, does

if the result he has is wrong, something went terribly, terribly, ~terribly~ wrong.

[pieguyn]

not to mention Dan's reaction to it was fucking ass. he naturally jumped to the conclusion that the result was "bullshit" without considering any other possibilities at all. if a claimed mason gets a result on you, and said mason is not haj-tier at this game, the logical conclusion is not to assume they're faking a result, it's to assume there might be some weird bullshit going on. the approach he took, on the other hand, looks like scum who just want to make the person with the guilty look worse than them.

[Curiosity]

yep

like when MS claimed guilty on pie I assumed that there was a redirector or something, not that MS was faking it

~Wis

[Alchemist21]

Fine.

VOTE: ActionDan

Also, lol at people finally scumreading Om.

[ActionDan]

not to mention Dan's reaction to it was fucking ass. he naturally jumped to the conclusion that the result was "bullshit" without considering any other possibilities at all. if a claimed mason gets a result on you, and said mason is not haj-tier at this game, the logical conclusion is not to assume they're faking a result, it's to assume there might be some weird bullshit going on. the approach he took, on the other hand, looks like scum who just want to make the person with the guilty look worse than them.

Considering i dont have a fucking night action i dont know how he could possibly have any role shit on me that he would give a 99 percent chance for me to be scum.


Unless he's trying to strongarm this lynch which he was ambivalent on earlier today.

[Birds of Prey]

Haven't had a chance to read or catch up with Titus, so right now I agree with her.

~P

[pirate mollie]

not to mention Dan's reaction to it was fucking ass. he naturally jumped to the conclusion that the result was "bullshit" without considering any other possibilities at all. if a claimed mason gets a result on you, and said mason is not haj-tier at this game, the logical conclusion is not to assume they're faking a result, it's to assume there might be some weird bullshit going on. the approach he took, on the other hand, looks like scum who just want to make the person with the guilty look worse than them.

I thought you both had a guilty or something?

no. NO.

full out or I am not getting on board.

UNVOTE: a million times over if I was voting for danny I want to sort this cos cos I am getting sick of this shit

[Curiosity]

Unofficial VC:

ActionDan (7): Curiosity, Mononoke, beeboy, pieguyn, purple hero, Time, Alchemist21
Alchemist21 (3): Ankamius, UNZAN, mastin2
mastin2 (3): Saki, Birds of Prey, SXTLHGaiden
Dreams of an Absolution (1): Om of the Nom
Om of the Nom (2): Dreams of an Absolution

Not Voting: beastcharizard, ActionDan, pirate mollie

~Wis

[Curiosity]

mollie, we've already said enough. I wanted this lynch to happen without having to out anything. The only reason I did was because mastin is fucking capable of breaking this wagon down and I am not about to allow that to happen. You're not getting anything more. AD is scum. That's all you need to know.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Unless he's trying to strongarm this lynch which he was ambivalent on earlier today.

You're out of luck buddy. Again, I'm not haj.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Haven't had a chance to read or catch up with Titus, so right now I agree with her.

~P

What do you agree about? Talk to me.

~Wis

[pirate mollie]

mollie, we've already said enough. I wanted this lynch to happen without having to out anything. The only reason I did was because mastin is fucking capable of breaking this wagon down and I am not about to allow that to happen. You're not getting anything more. AD is scum. That's all you need to know.

~Wis

half outs are shit. it is d3 and you should be clear about your posting when you are saying you have a 99% read on another player.

[Curiosity]

d3 or d20, if I can keep information from scum I'll do it

~Wis

[Curiosity]

not to mention Dan's reaction to it was fucking ass. he naturally jumped to the conclusion that the result was "bullshit" without considering any other possibilities at all. if a claimed mason gets a result on you, and said mason is not haj-tier at this game, the logical conclusion is not to assume they're faking a result, it's to assume there might be some weird bullshit going on. the approach he took, on the other hand, looks like scum who just want to make the person with the guilty look worse than them.

I thought you both had a guilty or something?

no. NO.

full out or I am not getting on board.

UNVOTE: a million times over if I was voting for danny I want to sort this cos cos I am getting sick of this shit

Christ, are you scum? Because you are acting like scum.

Vote Dan.
That's about it.

I'm waiting at an airport and I don't wanna leave

~M

[Birds of Prey]

Haven't had a chance to read or catch up with Titus, so right now I agree with her.

~P

What do you agree about? Talk to me.

~Wis

Whatever she's posted. And I guess the Mastin vote, but that'll probably be the first thing I look at when I dig into the game.

~P