Open 21 - Friends and Enemies (Game Over), before 453

[Sir Tornado]

Aimee...

Your analysis?

Sorry. I absolutely promise tomorrow morning. For definite.

Ok... As long as you do post it, it is fine by me.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Lawrencelot (3) -- Adel, A Papaya, Aimee
Adel (2) -- Lawrencelot, Lowell

Not Voting: Albert. B Rampage, Ripley, Sir Tornado, bird1111
9 alive, 5 to lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I wanted to gauge your reaction. I don't find Ripley suspicious at all, for the record. I would never dare to propose to lynch Ripley. I stand steadfast behind my position at the beginning of the game:

Both Sir Tornado and Ripley are innocent.

Adel and Lawrencelot are high up the list.

Lowell I can trust 100%.

This leaves Aimee and Bird.

Sir Tornado, Lowell and Ripley, could you make a list of who you consider out of the equation for todays lynch ?

[Sir Tornado]

I consider

A Papaya

,

Ripley

and

Albert B Rampage

out of the equation for today's lynch (I am assuming that you guys know that I am automatically included in my own list). Anyone else, I cannot certify as being 100% Townie.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I consider

A Papaya

,

Ripley

and

Albert B Rampage

out of the equation for today's lynch (I am assuming that you guys know that I am automatically included in my own list). Anyone else, I cannot certify as being 100% Townie.

Ripley...?

[Sir Tornado]

I consider

A Papaya

,

Ripley

and

Albert B Rampage

out of the equation for today's lynch (I am assuming that you guys know that I am automatically included in my own list). Anyone else, I cannot certify as being 100% Townie.

Ripley...?

What did you not follow? I think I have made it clear over my last 3-4 posts that I believe Ripley is 100% town.

[Adel]

Something I just noticed while trying to make sense of ABR fingering Ripley as probable scum. (now lifted I see)

Post 442 I identify theopor as probable scum along with ABR and A Papaya
Post 459 Law identifies theopor or ripley as the third scum along with ABR and A Papaya
Post 472 ABR warns theopor not to go power role shopping
Post 473 ryan names theopor as a probable mason along with ABR and A Papaya

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hmm...well, might as well tell the truth.

Post is Ripley's Post 52. The names are in this paragraph:

"I think you're radically oversimplifying things if you assume that (a) all townies are able to act townie (b) no scum are able to act townie and (c) the masons would be able to tell the difference with perfect accuracy, which is what this plan seems to require since it exposes the masons. If the masons take the lead and get it wrong, well, apart from scum

that helps nobody. The first attempt

at lynching scum that fails leaves us in real trouble in that scenario, so I can't see how it's

an option you might want to use

. Is the ability of 3 masons to pick 3 scum out of 8 people so very much greater than the ability of 8 protown players to pick scum from the whole field? Lowell seems very certain that it is."

1. ABR. The third letters of the words colored blue spell ALBERT.

2. A Papaya. This one's a bit more complicated, but I wanted to make sure if one code had to be revealed it wouldn't lead to discovery of the other.

Take the first letters of the words colored red to get AOYMWTU. Now, move each successive letter forward an increasing number of letters in the alphabet, starting with zero so the first letter is unchanged. That is,

A+0 = A
O+1 = P
Y+2 = A
M+3 = P
W+4 = A
T+5 = Y
U+6 = A

And voila, A Papaya.

[Adel]

WTF? Does that mean she is the third mason or that she is scum identifing masons? Excuse me if I am just being dense.

[Sir Tornado]

Hmm...well, might as well tell the truth.

Post is Ripley's Post 52. The names are in this paragraph:

"I think you're radically oversimplifying things if you assume that (a) all townies are able to act townie (b) no scum are able to act townie and (c) the masons would be able to tell the difference with perfect accuracy, which is what this plan seems to require since it exposes the masons. If the masons take the lead and get it wrong, well, apart from scum

that helps nobody. The first attempt

at lynching scum that fails leaves us in real trouble in that scenario, so I can't see how it's

an option you might want to use

. Is the ability of 3 masons to pick 3 scum out of 8 people so very much greater than the ability of 8 protown players to pick scum from the whole field? Lowell seems very certain that it is."

1. ABR. The third letters of the words colored blue spell ALBERT.

2. A Papaya. This one's a bit more complicated, but I wanted to make sure if one code had to be revealed it wouldn't lead to discovery of the other.

Take the first letters of the words colored red to get AOYMWTU. Now, move each successive letter forward an increasing number of letters in the alphabet, starting with zero so the first letter is unchanged. That is,

A+0 = A
O+1 = P
Y+2 = A
M+3 = P
W+4 = A
T+5 = Y
U+6 = A

And voila, A Papaya.

What is that supposed to mean? Are you telling us that the masons meant to reveal themselves to everyone on the first day right from the start?

[Albert B. Rampage]

WTF? Does that mean she is the third mason or that she is scum identifing masons? Excuse me if I am just being dense.

He, and yes. Half the town figured it out, Tornado declared he wasn't mason, Ripley would be uncovered either way. Sryyy Ripley. You must have taken a while to do that, but I don't think it will be of use. Beat me up after the game

[Albert B. Rampage]

What is that supposed to mean? Are you telling us that the masons meant to reveal themselves to everyone on the first day right from the start?

No, it means that Ripley is smart and he took his precautions.

[Patrick]

A Papaya has told me that he will be setting off on a 3 week business trip on Sunday. He will be posting until then. I'm looking for a replacement.

[Albert B. Rampage]

A Papaya has told me that he will be setting off on a 3 week business trip on Sunday. He will be posting until then. I'm looking for a replacement.

"Woot woot"

[Adel]

Something I just noticed while trying to make sense of ABR fingering Ripley as probable scum. (now lifted I see)

Post 442 I identify theopor as probable scum along with ABR and A Papaya
Post 459 Law identifies theopor or ripley as the third scum along with ABR and A Papaya
Post 472 ABR warns theopor not to go power role shopping
Post 473 ryan names theopor as a probable mason along with ABR and A Papaya

Oh, and at some point ryan cheats. Perhaps by sending a PM.

[Sir Tornado]

WTF? Does that mean she is the third mason or that she is scum identifing masons? Excuse me if I am just being dense.

He, and yes. Half the town figured it out, Tornado declared he wasn't mason, Ripley would be uncovered either way. Sryyy Ripley. You must have taken a while to do that, but I don't think it will be of use. Beat me up after the game

Albert, if you did not want me to say I was not a mason, then you should not have indicated that I was one. I feel that lying is not an option here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Albert, if you did not want me to say I was not a mason, then you should not have indicated that I was one. I feel that lying is not an option here.

I felt that unless we would lie, Ripley would be figured out

without a question

. Plus, I was trying to question Aimee, your presence was unintended. (Aimee is with me in another game)

[A Papaya]

Albert, if you did not want me to say I was not a mason, then you should not have indicated that I was one. I feel that lying is not an option here.

I felt that unless we would lie, Ripley would be figured out

without a question

. Plus, I was trying to question Aimee, your presence was unintended. (Aimee is with me in another game)

Also, there was the worst case scenario that the Scum would NK Ripley which would add a lot more suspicion that me and ABR weren't really masons. Of course, that's unlikely, but it was there.

[Ripley]

WTF? Does that mean she is the third mason or that she is scum identifing masons? Excuse me if I am just being dense.

What is that supposed to mean? Are you telling us that the masons meant to reveal themselves to everyone on the first day right from the start?

I'm not surprised you were confused. I don't understand why ABR did that.

To clarify: Except for the first two introductory lines, ABR's Post 607 consists entirely of a PM I sent him and A Papaya last night explaining how I'd coded their names into an early post, in case we needed to prove we were masons. It's not uncommon for masons to do this to support their claim. It didn't seem likely that it would be useful in this game, the way things had gone on Day 1, but I thought they should have the info just in case.

ABR, if you wanted to reveal me as the third mason, and I don't even understand why you did that, you just had to say so.

Whatever. This isn't my show. It's done now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yo Ripley, I think I found the second scum. Aimee and Lawrencelot.

[Albert B. Rampage]

She first makes a post consisting only of Adel, which makes me think she wants Adel lynched.

Then there's this:

Note that Lawrence is now at L-2.

This, when I tell her to put her vote on Law:

Well, I guess I can put my vote on,

for now

.

Vote: Lawrencelot

Although I will remove it, if necessary

.

Removes her vote at the first opportunity:

Sir Tornado, I will remove my vote, if you want.

unvote

And then finally puts it back when I say that Lawrencelot isn't the vote of the day:

Soon, I will. For now, I will apply pressure.

Vote: Lawrencelot

Notice how she criticizes me after putting her vote, knowing full well that most of the town is behind me, and if I say we shouldn't vote Lawrencelot, the town will probably not vote Lawrencelot.

This is too easy,

Vote Aimee

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sorry for pussyfooting around most of the day; I wanted more compelling evidence, but that opportunity didn't show up. I am fairly certain she is scum, and I invite anybody to question me or her as they please, as well as put their vote on her until Bird comes back and Papaya is replaced.

[Adel]

Sorry for pussyfooting around most of the day; I wanted more compelling evidence, but that opportunity didn't show up. I am fairly certain she is scum, and I invite anybody to question me or her as they please, as well as put their vote on her until Bird comes back and Papaya is replaced.

unvote, vote:Aimee

[Albert B. Rampage]

Umm...Adel, I just said your likely innocent (due to the fact ryan tried to latch himself onto you, like you did with Lowell, and I believe Lowell to be innocent) and Lawrencelot and Aimee are scum. What's your opinion on all this ?

[Adel]

Dude, I don't know about Aimee, and I'm not even sure about Lawrence. I'm really interested in how this game turns out, but I have a hard time seeing how I can actually help. My judgment was so off yesterday, I am so suspect in the rest of the town's eyes, and all three masons are outin the open.

I don't mean to lurk, I check the thread fairly often, but I think the only way I can assist is by granting the lead mason an extra vote and limit my post to empirical evidence that is missed by others.

If I post analysis, vote independently, or accuse or clear anyone I think my actions will only create noise and make your job harder.

Ask me a specific question, and I'll cooperate by giving a specific answer, but I am not sure that will help. If I come across a really convincing argument I'll present it, and I am looking, but until I do I think the less I say the better off the town will be.