Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[Beck]

Bbt looks desperate to me

[Pine]

Flavor claiming does what for us, exactly? It's an extra layer of WIFOM that we don't need

[Pine]

Bbt looks desperate to me

Dude, I think BBT is scum, but that doesn't make sense. He's under no pressure right now, so desperate how?

Stop leaping wildly to conclusions

[Beck]

Hey I post my feelings as they come to me, don't care if it makes sense to me, that's how he is coming off to me

[Grib]

Why does BBT's list of reasons I'm scum feel like it was thrown together really quickly with no actual thought behind points that I've already explained and that are easily refuted, half of which were made by other people he can't even bother to remember?

Oh, wait.

I'll provide an actual after my morning class.

[Grib]

*an actual post

[ArcAngel9]

@Mod, to what extent are we allowed to discuss the flavour in our role PMs? Quoting, paraphrasing, etc.

Read this.

Spoiler:

7) Do not quote communications outside or in the game thread, including role PMs, quick topics, etc., This specifically includes PM timestamps. Paraphrasing is allowed. If in doubt, ask.

[FinnLaw]

Finn, are you going to start providing some analysis on the game or are you planning on continuing to post about game mechanics/theories?

Yes I will do. I’ve been posting a lot on the go lately so haven’t had to time to sit down and analyse. Been real busy and I’ve just dropped out of another game because of the lack of free time I have.

I was just about to say that the mod shouldn't need to provide fakeclaims since alignment =/= diet, but

I checked my role PM again and I just noticed the flavour actually reasons out why I'm a townie carnivore, which is interesting.

Do you guys wanna do a mass flavourclaim?

I have a fleeting suspicion it may help us if it turns out there aren't fakeclaims, and I doubt scum will be able to out PRs with just dinosaur names.

My flavour provides a (semi) logical reason for why I'm a carnivore yet town.

I think it's possible the more, ah, antagonistic dinosaurs are going to be the scum. Maybe people could paraphrase or quote a bit of their flavour paragraph as well

(@mod: if that's not against the rules).

I'll count you in then.

If flavour reasons out why you’re a townie than that would be arguing flavour indicates your alignment? So why would PR’s or scum agree to do this? There not going to truthfully reveal this because is it not basically them saying look here it hints at my alignment? (I see the mod has now ruled this out.)

To me I just see this as you rolefishing, which I don't like.

Grib's eagerness to hammer is VERY scummy.

I disagree with this. IMO he was simply stating his intent to hammer. This lets everyone know the hammer is coming and if you have changed your mind then leave the wagon. It allows us collectively to agree whether to go ahead with the lynch.

Stop putting words in his mouth. That is not actually what he said, and intentions are everything

I disagree with you here, like I said it was IMO and that’s how I interpreted his intentions then and still do.

[Grib]

I have two delicious cookies and a glass of milk. Let's do this.

Spoiler: wall of quotes

First off:

PEdit - He scum-slipped. Also, I agreed with Pine saying that he looked over-eager to hammer Beck and was seeking approval before he did so.

Still not reading my posts, and making up his own conclusions. What else is new.

Oh, and he's also using a scumread's reasoning to back up his explanation for voting me. In fact, he does this multiple times. So there's that.

Now, on to my favorite part: The Scum!Grib Wall of Disappointment.

Why Grib is scum;

24 - Set-up speculation. I find that scum like to speculate on set-up because they have that little bit more information than town and can manipulate town in this way.

Why is that scummy? It's a closed setup, town has less information, so the more we can learn about the setup, the better. Scum already know everything, sans town's PRs, so what's the harm in trying to get a feel for the game itself?

This is a nulltell at best, and that's being generous. Scummy? I don't think so.

240 - His vote on Scripten. He just jumped wagons with no reasoning at all other than 'I'll wait for everyone else to think BBT is scum'

A blatant lie. Either attack the post with the reasoning I provided (and referred to multiple times, most recently at Mathdino) or give it up.

254 - Somebody pointed this out but I can't remember who it was. He states he thinks me and Scripten are 'unaligned pairs'. Reeks of inside information.

Pine (one of your scumreads, hi hello) said that. Why does it reek of inside information? Do you disagree with my reasoning? Are you reading my posts? Are you scum? I think you're scum. Please die.

528 - The intent to hammer. The last sentence is worded weirdly and doesn't sit right with me. Usually, people state intent to hammer and the person who is going to be hammered has time to respond and everyone else has time to react to that response. Grib merely gives people a 'handful of posts' before he plans on hammering.

Not gonna lie, Beck's play is fucking annoying, and if I live to see toMorrow I don't want to have to deal with Round 2 of his shit tunnel on someone else, but he's likely town and the people who brought his wagon to L-1 needed to be poked. So I threatened to hammer. I'd do it again. In hindsight, I admit I was thinking "if the lynch is between me and him, welp, sucks to suck." It was a moment of weakness.

537 - This was pointed out by somebody else as well. He looks like he wants to hammer Beck to 'shut him up' and because he wants him to 'stop being dumb'.

Yes, that's exactly what happened. What of it? I didn't kill him.

If you look at Grib's ISO, he has done very little scum-hunting. He has either tunneled on me or he has been arguing with Beck. He hasn't engaged with many other people unless they have initiated the conversation.

If you look at BBT's ISO, you'll notice he has done very little scumhunting, preferring to votepark someone for one (1) very stupid reason, and pretend to have other scumreads, with whom he'll eventually agree with in order to justify his vote on the singular bad scumread he has.

Please.

same with the wagonhopping; that's very much not a scumtell.

He gave no reasoning for his switch. He also showed no previous inclination of scum-reading Scripten.

You don't find that suspicious?

Do you make a habit of not reading someone's posts once you decide they're scum? I'm just asking.

Grib's eagerness to hammer is VERY scummy.

I disagree with this. IMO he was simply stating his intent to hammer. This lets everyone know the hammer is coming and if you have changed your mind then leave the wagon. It allows us collectively to agree whether to go ahead with the lynch.

Stop putting words in his mouth. That is not actually what he said, and intentions are everything

Finn isn't putting words in my mouth. Like. That's exactly what happened. That is, in fact, objectively what happened. There is nothing to argue here. I stated intent to hammer in order to let people know the hammer is coming so they could unvote Beck. Those are the words I used. Look, I'll even quote it, just for you:

Pointlessly tunneling on a PR who claimed a power with a confirmable result is phenomenally stupid. Crying that we're "policy lynching" you is just empty, useless noise I'd expect from a seven year old.

If no one unvotes within the next handful of posts then

I will hammer.

Finn hasn't done anything scummy here in this post and your attack on him for it is awful.

tl;dr BBT is scum. Let's lynch him.

[Grib]

Also, I forget where it was mentioned -- I think it was Majiffy? -- but him SK speculating isn't that bad, given that there was a small discussion about it within the first few pages. So I'm not counting that against him.

[Grib]

Let's add "raging hypocrite" to the list of reasons why BBT is scum, feat. Beck.

Spoiler: whee

I don't really have an opinion on Beck yet.

Town

-> Scripten,

Beck

, Insanity

Null -> Finn, Math, Yung

Scum -> Grib, Pine

In order. So Finn is closer to town and Yung closer to scum. Math a true null.

It looks like a real vote disguised under RVS.

Scripten and Beck were going at it pretty hard and it looks like he chose a side and tried to disguise it under the reasoning of RVS. Given I feel

Scripten vs Beck is town vs town

, he doesn't care what side he chooses if he is scum.

I just don't like the vote. I also don't like that I've had to explain my reasoning for trying to engage Yung because now he has a better idea of how to answer me and what direction I was coming from.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Beck

Beck is anti-town at the very, very best and scummy at worst.

I just don't understand his approach in this game and I've had enough now.

Let's look at what's happening Scripten. Let's strip it down to the basics.

Beck wants to lynch you. He knows there is a chance you're a PR. He decides to go ahead and keep pushing your lynch anyway.

No matter how you look at that, it's scummy behaviour and it's scum-motivated.

I haven't made my scum-read obvious enough?

Right now it's;

Most scummy -> Beck, Grib, Majiffy <- least scummy.

Beck is scummier than Grib Scripten.

Join the Beck wagon please.

And then my absolute favorite part:

537 - This was pointed out by somebody else as well. He looks like he wants to hammer Beck to 'shut him up' and because he wants him to 'stop being dumb'.

BBT wants to lynch Beck because he's antitown. I want to lynch Beck because he's antitown (and distracting and fatally stubborn). And my reasons are somehow scummier?

[Beck]

grib actually making very good points here, especially with regards to bbt, especially the last part about bbt and grib both wanting to lynch me for being antitown but somehow when grib does it it's scummy but it's not for bbt...

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE COUNT - 1.9

Scripten-

BlueBloodedToffee-

Grib,

Grib-

Scripten Pine, BlueBloodedToffee

Beck-

FinnLaw, Majiffy

Pine-

FinnLaw-

Majiffy-

insanity018,

Not Voting

Mathdino ,Beck

With 9 alive it takes 5 for a lynch and 4 for no lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2014-11-05 09:36:00)

[Beck]

mod I unvoted

>>Fixed. TY <<

[ArcAngel9]

Dinosaur Facts:

Do you know that Nigersaurus had over 500 teeth with 8 rows of teeth behind the front 500. This specific dinosaur called as “Eating Machine”. Good luck having him over at dinner table.

[ArcAngel9]

I just want to let you all know that Dinosaur facts direct links are now updated on main page for easy reference. Have fun!!!

Fascinating Facts about Dinosaurs:

Brachiosaurus Weight vs Human Weight.
What is the true color of T-rex? Can you guess?
Are Dinosaurs are reptiles, birds or who are they?
Did man and Dinosaur ever lived together?
What do you know about Dinosaurs birth sytle?
Can you imagine a Dinosaur with 500 teeth?

[Beck]

did you know that I am skeptical about dinosaurs

>>this should be a post game discussion. I ll comment to this when game is completed. <<

[Mathdino]

Wow, okay, the hypocrisy Grib's pointing out is good enough for me. I was under the impression your suspicions were a result of tunneling and aggressiveness, but it looks like there's scum motivation behind BBT's votes.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[Beck]

Yeah, it was a good series of posts

vote: BBT

[Scripten]

While (583) is just a list of BBT being BBT, I can't deny that (585) is solid. Damn. Hypocrisy isn't usually a part of BBT's meta, either as scum or town, but his push on Beck did feel wrong ad I can't deny that this feels off for his play.

Also, BBT is now at L-2, just in case we risk a derphammer.

[Grib]

Link to an example game, please?

[Scripten]

@Math

- Most recent scum-games;

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=58653 - Newbie 1524

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58743 - Micro 376

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58649 - Micro 369

As a side note; how do I change those links so that instead of the address showing it shows like 'Newbie 1524' as a hyperlink instead?

I think I linked to the micro I played with him where he was town cop, too.

[Mathdino]

Considering Pine's been tunneling BBT all game, it's pretty likely he'll declare intent to hammer. As such I'm comfortable asking

BBT, care to claim?

Pretty satisfied with ending today, I think all I'd like is more from Majiffy.

[insanity018]

Yeah, I think Grib is town.

I could buy a BBT/FinnLaw team actually.

[insanity018]

@Mod, I will be V/LA until October 31

>> Noted<<