I don't think anyone on MS will be able to intuit how balanced this setup is and that math needs to be run. Too many unusual elements. With that said, my intuition says this setup is massively scum sided.
3/16 is a little light in terms of pure numbers on the mafia team, but a doublekill is insanely powerful, the doctors collectively only add up to about a real doctors worth of power, and the tracker is highly gimped by both the fruit vendor and the fact that doctors will be trying to target people that die and failing to look different from mafia when successful 2/3rds of the time. The only way I see this being balanced is if the open nature of the setup makes 5 named townies have much more value than I anticipate.
That's more than the Doctors 6ish% being on his own. Mind you my numbers are based off all doctors together, there's 26.7% of there being a kill blocked in general.
In post 7651, wgeurts wrote:There's a 26.7% chance of a kill being blocked night 1.
Your math seems bad to me (so please go through it) but even assuming thats accurate that means that 3/4s of the time there are 2 kills. Do you understand how OP 2 kills are?
So basically 3 element doctors add up to 1 doctor, meaning I should remove the 2nd night-kill.
Games could last horribly long in that case, I need opinions on the best of these two:
King and Guard know each other's identity. If the Guard is lynched Day 1, the game continues to 3p lylo*. If a rebel is lynched Day 1, the other Rebel is confirmed to him. The lynched Rebel then immediately has to guess the King's identity.
Rebels win if the King is lynched or called out. King and Guard win if the King survives and isn't called out.
*This is optimal for scum.
Spoiler: Variations
Guarding the Gallows
King
Guard
2 Rebels
King and Guard know each other's identity. If the Guard is lynched Day 1, the game continues to 3p lylo. If a rebel is lynched Day 1, the
Guard
is confirmed to him. The lynched Rebel then immediately has to guess the King's identity.
Rebels win if the King is lynched or called out. King and Guard win if the King survives and isn't called out.
Escaping the Gallows
King
Guard
2 Rebels
King and Guard know each other's identity. If the Guard is lynched Day 1, the game continues to 3p lylo. If a rebel is lynched Day 1, the
King
is confirmed to him. The lynched Rebel then immediately has to guess the
Guard
's identity.
Rebels win if the King is lynched or the Guard is called out. King and Guard win if the King survives and the Guard isn't called out.
In post 7660, Riddleton wrote:normal elementals is still broken to my strategy earlier for 1 goon vs 3 docs.
The docs wouldn't know which element is alive. However what could be a possibility is that with each death of an element mafia the remaining mafia gain the dead guy's element and from then on have to choose between the two.
The last element mafia could then choose between all the elements.
I was inspired. May be optimal to not use both kills, as if you do Tracker innocents become true innocents. Or just double kill with both to ensure kill.
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King and Guard know each other's identity. If the Guard is lynched Day 1, the game continues to 3p lylo*. If a rebel is lynched Day 1, the other Rebel is confirmed to him. The lynched Rebel then immediately has to guess the King's identity.
Rebels win if the King is lynched or called out. King and Guard win if the King survives and isn't called out.
*This is optimal for scum.
Spoiler: Variations
Guarding the Gallows
King
Guard
2 Rebels
King and Guard know each other's identity. If the Guard is lynched Day 1, the game continues to 3p lylo. If a rebel is lynched Day 1, the
Guard
is confirmed to him. The lynched Rebel then immediately has to guess the King's identity.
Rebels win if the King is lynched or called out. King and Guard win if the King survives and isn't called out.
Escaping the Gallows
King
Guard
2 Rebels
King and Guard know each other's identity. If the Guard is lynched Day 1, the game continues to 3p lylo. If a rebel is lynched Day 1, the
King
is confirmed to him. The lynched Rebel then immediately has to guess the
Guard
's identity.
Rebels win if the King is lynched or the Guard is called out. King and Guard win if the King survives and the Guard isn't called out.
Book of Constantine (Protestant) 214: 112 - God hates you
Book of Constantine (Catholic) 214:112 - God doesn't like you
Book of Constantine (Orthodox) 214:112 - God tolerates you
Okay, I refined the kings civil war set-up to look more like mafia
1 mafia informer
1 mafia goon
5 vanilla town
1 town king
1 town informer
- The mafia informer informs a player that the wrong player is king
-Game starts in the night with the mafia inform picking one player to inform, and the town informer picking one player to confirm the king's identity to.
- Town Win Con: Protecting the King + Eliminating Scum
- Mafia Win Con: Killing the King
- NK is allowed by goon on N1
Why this design is superior
- The informer mechanic is flavorful, because it allows town to know who they are protecting, but at the risk of informing mafia
- The town has the advantage of informing players of the king.
- Mafia has the advantage of informing players who the wrong king is.
There is much more confusion and strategy for the PR's to ponder on.
Book of Constantine (Protestant) 214: 112 - God hates you
Book of Constantine (Catholic) 214:112 - God doesn't like you
Book of Constantine (Orthodox) 214:112 - God tolerates you
I don't entirely want to run 2 at once. Would rather run 1 at a time
And no way I go to titus meet. I am in ohio, its in sacramento, i have not prepared in anyway, its not gonna happen.
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PokerFace I'll let you handle the King's Civil War setup, it's much closer to Rebels in the Palace than Mafia and I don't know shit about balancing Rebels in the Palace.
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in Rebels in the gallows the king will never get lynched as guard and king will not vote for king. Only way they loose is if he is called out
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