Taking a trip back to day 1.
Glork wrote:Patrick: What do you think of the D1 wagons against Spectrumvoid, the eventual lynch against AndrewS, and the people who discussed wanting to have IH vigged?
As for the wagon on spectrumvoid, I thought I made my thoughts clear about it much earlier. Fritz attacked her early, for seemingly no reason whatsoever. Typical Fritz. Then you voted her based on the roll of a die. Mbl has just explained why he voted her, which I tend to believe actually. Pfft, then we have Adele and Zindaras hopping on though it's not clear why. Seems they were just being stupid, now we know they were both town. Then CES hops on, obviously no reason given. Then IH hopped on, again no reason, though I questioned him about it. He cobbled together some case later on after she had claimed vig, when I forced it out of him. Despite the fact IH was town, I think that case was likely just something he made up to appease me. So obvious conclusion is that it was a terrible wagon. I've played a load of games with spectrumvoid, and I know she can often look slightly scummy mainly because she's often being lazy and only half playing the game. But the wagon on her was obviously completely out of proportion with anything she'd done. By simple process of elimination, I can tell there was at least one scum on that wagon.
The AndrewS wagon was again, in my opinion, out of proportion. I disliked some of the people hopping on for, as Ether put it, "bullshit reasons" or no reason at all. IH was the player I disliked the most. I also disliked Thesp's obviously disproportionate attack on AndrewS, but I've played with him before, and it seemed mostly like typical Thesp, meaning he would take a small thing and blow it up into something huge, and push for one person for the rest of the day, repeating over and over, "Why is Andrew not lynched yet?" I remember not liking some of the WIFOM defences used by Andrew, but that was about it. I also felt that the way the wagon developed on him made it slightly more likely he was town and that there were scum on the wagon. There must have been 2-3 scum on the it. I would have hammered him to avoid a no lynch, but that's about it. I wasn't overely excited.
As for the vigging. Some people did seem to be just vig IH without really explaining why, but it didn't worry me as much since I thought IH was scum and was happy to see him vigged. I remember being a bit confused by Adele suggesting 3 possible vigging targets and not really liking her system. So yeah. A load of people seemed happy to vig IH. MBL gave one or two reasons, which were ok, though the main thing I didn't like about IH was he was very oppotunistic, and was attacking easy targets. He didn't seem to think about the Andrew thing very deeply at all, and never really gave any answers that satisfied me.
Out of the people alive, I preferred and still prefer MBL's stances towards all those things. I get the impression half the players didn't take day 1 seriously at all, which made it hard to tell idiots from scum. Glork and CES just bandwagoned. I didn't like Mgm's stance towards spectrumvoid, and attacked him on day 2 about it (apparently guessing she was a powerole but not defending her and teling her to claim etc.) He seemed alright with an IH vigging, though I'm not particularly clear on why, other than IH being "second on the list". Again, the impression I get from several people is that they were ok to play slightly flippantly on day 1, maybe because we had such a large numerical advantage over scum (my feeling is this setup in general is slightly good for the town - maybe I'm wrong). Thesp was insane on Andrew, but at least didn't vote for spectrumvoid. He didn't play a big part in the vigging process, it's true. You'd think he's have pushed more for Delibird. But then again he had that odd argument for not deciding vigging targets anyway. I personally disagreed with it, I doubt we were ever going to lynch spectrumvoid after the vig claim, and I was about 98.67% sure she was telling the truth. I didn't see scum choosing vig as a fakeclaim.
I haven't reread everything, because I forgot that being home again makes it harder to spend insane amounts of time at the computer without being yelled at. I think we likely have 2 scum in (CES, MgM, MBL) though it's not set in stone. If Glork turns out to be scum I will seriously cry and probably give up ever trying to read him in future. I don't know what Thesp doesn't like about my posts today, considering I'd hardly posted anything at that point. MgM's first post still feels slightly off because he seemed to come out of the gates with a vote and a ready made plan, which isn't at all how I felt. We had just learned the alignments of two more people. I know that Mgm seemed heavily suspicious of Ether, so it just seemed odd that he didn't say anything at all about that and just went back to what he was doing yesterday. Plus whenever someone comes out of the gates saying, "X was killed and this incriminates Y" it instinctively makes me think of a setup. The first thing that popped into my head when I read that was, "It's CES/MgM". I think CES/MgM is possible, though I did comment earlier that it seems like an incredibly bold scumpair, in that they've both been defending each other, and to some extent CDB, for most of the game for apparently no real reason. That's one concern with that scumpairing, it seems a little brazen at the moment. CES/MBL is possible, but I need to read up more on it. Obviously they've attacked each other somewhat. I don't get the MBL/Thesp thing sugested, as I do think MBL questioned Thesp pretty thoroughly earlier on. I don't know where Glork got that from, so I'm assuming he misremembered.
Currently if I had to have a stand alone top suspect, it's probably CES. I don't want to lynch either of the guys who can't be goons at this stage. Worse odds there.
Heh, post 1645 by Glork bothers me a bit because he just flat out states that Thesp is town. I'm not such a big advocate as MBL on freudian slip tells, but still.
I need to eat now. At some point I'll try to get a closer look at the interactions between MBL and each of the two dutch guys.
