Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

[beeboy]

Alch is null for me atm i will avoid this wagon for now

[Curiosity]

why are you still voting pie?

~Wis

[beeboy]

Im too lazy to unvote

[beeboy]

Unzan isnt voting atm

[Alchemist21]

@Curiosity:

Give me the reason you were townreading me yesterday.

Give me the reason you are scumreading me today.

I thought you came off as town in the exchange with beast where you made that mistake.

When I reread you during night I realized that the mistake could have been genuine with you still being scum.

I didn't like anything else in your ISO. You don't take stances, you fluff a lot, and your pushes feel weak and don't have any spirit behind them.

~Wis

I don't take many stances because I'm keeping an open mind.

I fluff because I like humor.

My pushes were weak because I didn't have much to go on. D1 was full of meta and tone reading people. It's difficult to know who to trust when they meta like that, and when reads come purely from tone reading, it's not by any means an accurate read.

[Ankamius]

@pieguy:

Spoiler:

Can we not disengage brain and vote Pie due to guilties?

I want Pie's response, claim and reads list, and will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate) a scumclaim.

It is L-3. That is enough for now.

PEDIT: L-2

You might want to prod dodge from the account that gets prodded.

Curiosity, could you kindly shut the fuck up a minute? Pie needs to answer. Then we talk to MS. Jumping the gun does town 0 favors.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure Om is scum. Agree or disagree?

Pie isn't necessarily town, and I want to know what he thinks about this guilty. Wisdom is just being dumb. Kinda like his Jingle is scum rant.

I want the reads and claim because scum fake guilties. Or have you forgotten AP in Antihero Reboot? Rushing through the day is both stupid and bad play.

I think Om is town @ whoever asked me.

Why?

will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate)

a scumclaim

Do you read the thread before post mollie?

enough to know that I did not write what you just assigned me posting to.

and I also understand the significance of "or" in your parenthesis but you seem to be ready to lynch him regardless

It was in the quote in your post. My apologies for implying you stated that.

And no. I'm not at all ready for a lynch. I'm ready for Pie to claim, sure. That's not the same thing. If Pie refuses to answer to the accusation, then yeah, I'll lynch the shit out of him.

He basically just parks a vote on Om and fluffs through the pie-wagon, and the way he tells people not to shut off their brain then trying to stifle the conversation that Wisdom and Sonic are having doesn't scream town to me. It was going to be necessary regardless that pieguy would have to claim and that MS wouldn't claim anything before that, so I don't understand why taking this stance was necessary.

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His reads regarding Alchemist and Om are really awkward too.

1. He was willing to sheep Wisdom on Alchemist town through Day 1, yet as soon as Wisdom flipped his town and scumreads on Alch and Om, he immediately tried to get the reasoning for Om. This doesn't look town because he only decided that Alch was scummier (Wisdom had the same reasons, by the way) once Wisdom explained the Om read. If he was town, I'd expect that unless he's hiding something really important, he'd discard the reason for not finding Alch as scummy (Wisdom's townread on him) immediately and go back to voting Alchemist immediately. I don't understand why he had to be convinced that Om and Alch are not partners to switch off of Om.

UNVOTE: Alchemist21
VOTE: Jingle

I'll sort Alchemist more after Jingle flips. Jingle-scum means Alchemist is problably town.

[Curiosity]

Fine, let's do that first

VOTE: jingle

[Curiosity]

~Wis

[Alchemist21]

@Curiosity:

Give me the reason you were townreading me yesterday.

Give me the reason you are scumreading me today.

I thought you came off as town in the exchange with beast where you made that mistake.

When I reread you during night I realized that the mistake could have been genuine with you still being scum.

I didn't like anything else in your ISO. You don't take stances, you fluff a lot, and your pushes feel weak and don't have any spirit behind them.

~Wis

I don't take many stances because I'm keeping an open mind.

I fluff because I like humor.

My pushes were weak because I didn't have much to go on. D1 was full of meta and tone reading people. It's difficult to know who to trust when they meta like that, and when reads come purely from tone reading, it's not by any means an accurate read.

P.S. I love how Mr. 500 posts is attacking me for fluff.

[Curiosity]

500 posts full of content, where's yours?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And "keeping an open mind" does not justify not taking stances.

~Wis

[Alchemist21]

500 posts full of content, where's yours?

In my "scummy-looking" ISO. And don't pretend all your posts were 100% quality.

~Wis

And "keeping an open mind" does not justify not taking stances.

~Wis

So I should force a stance instead where I have none? I should just arbitrarily decide something I don't really believe?

[SXTLHGaiden]

if you don't have a stance you say "i don't have a stance"
you don't say "i'm keeping an open mind"

[beastcharizard]

UNVOTE:

Apparently something happened i haven't read since Wisdom asked why someone was still voting Pie.

[purple hero]

UNVOTE:
goddamn it metal

[purple hero]

hey mollie

don't ignore me today

i think this jingle wagon is as much of a loser today as it was yesterday

aaaaaaaaaaaand om is still scum

VOTE: om

[Jingle]

1. He was willing to sheep Wisdom on Alchemist town through Day 1, yet as soon as Wisdom flipped his town and scumreads on Alch and Om, he immediately tried to get the reasoning for Om. This doesn't look town because he only decided that Alch was scummier (Wisdom had the same reasons, by the way) once Wisdom explained the Om read. If he was town, I'd expect that unless he's hiding something really important, he'd discard the reason for not finding Alch as scummy (Wisdom's townread on him) immediately and go back to voting Alchemist immediately. I don't understand why he had to be convinced that Om and Alch are not partners to switch off of Om.

Or maybe I've been scumreading both for quite a while. And I'm not convinced that Om and Alch aren't partners. As for changing my vote when conftown gives me reasoning... Well.

The Jingle wagon is terrible.

[Jingle]

He basically just parks a vote on Om and fluffs through the pie-wagon, and the way he tells people not to shut off their brain then trying to stifle the conversation that Wisdom and Sonic are having doesn't scream town to me. It was going to be necessary regardless that pieguy would have to claim and that MS wouldn't claim anything before that, so I don't understand why taking this stance was necessary.

It really wasn't obviously necessary. Pie was at L-2. We have some fashion of hidden voter. One more person was all that was necessary for a quickhammer.

Also please justify your accusation of fluff wrt the quoted posts. One of them was fluff. The rest was actively trying to sort the shit going on ITT.

[Jingle]

Actually: VOTE: Ank

If he flips scum, Alch is probtown. And he's scummier than Alch IMHO.

[Ankamius]

He basically just parks a vote on Om and fluffs through the pie-wagon, and the way he tells people not to shut off their brain then trying to stifle the conversation that Wisdom and Sonic are having doesn't scream town to me. It was going to be necessary regardless that pieguy would have to claim and that MS wouldn't claim anything before that, so I don't understand why taking this stance was necessary.

It really wasn't obviously necessary. Pie was at L-2. We have some fashion of hidden voter. One more person was all that was necessary for a quickhammer.

Also please justify your accusation of fluff wrt the quoted posts. One of them was fluff. The rest was actively trying to sort the shit going on ITT.

Constantly saying the same thing is both fluffy and not trying to actively sort shit out.

[Ankamius]

I think I found it. I'm not sure it's from Om-town, but Alchemist's flip should clarify that a little and I also think he's likely scum.

VOTE: Alchemist

I don't see Om and Alch as a reasonable possibility.

How else am I supposed to take this statement?

[Ankamius]

1. He was willing to sheep Wisdom on Alchemist town through Day 1, yet as soon as Wisdom flipped his town and scumreads on Alch and Om, he immediately tried to get the reasoning for Om. This doesn't look town because he only decided that Alch was scummier (Wisdom had the same reasons, by the way) once Wisdom explained the Om read. If he was town, I'd expect that unless he's hiding something really important, he'd discard the reason for not finding Alch as scummy (Wisdom's townread on him) immediately and go back to voting Alchemist immediately. I don't understand why he had to be convinced that Om and Alch are not partners to switch off of Om.

Or maybe I've been scumreading both for quite a while. And I'm not convinced that Om and Alch aren't partners. As for changing my vote when conftown gives me reasoning... Well.

The way you've been switching your votes are what I'm attacking, not your reads.

[Jingle]

I think I found it. I'm not sure it's from Om-town, but Alchemist's flip should clarify that a little and I also think he's likely scum.

VOTE: Alchemist

I don't see Om and Alch as a reasonable possibility.

How else am I supposed to take this statement?

I honestly forgot about that. Now I need to figure out what I saw.

[Jingle]

Hmm. Not seeing it, unless I was thinking Om's push on Alch meant something. On the plus side, rereading Alch, his opinions on Om make sense to me. I actually think he's town.

[Jingle]

Spoiler: A conversation that Ank looked at half of.

Can we not disengage brain and vote Pie due to guilties?

I want Pie's response, claim and reads list, and will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate) a scumclaim.

It is L-3. That is enough for now.

PEDIT: L-2

Get the fuck off pieguy. He's still town.

MS talk to me about what a "pseudo guilty" is, because I'm very close to lynching you.

~Wis

Curiosity, could you kindly shut the fuck up a minute? Pie needs to answer. Then we talk to MS. Jumping the gun does town 0 favors.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure Om is scum. Agree or disagree?

I am not faking guilty on one of my favourite players on the site.

If you two aren't masons then this lynch will go through. Simple as that. Don't go with 'redirector' bs when you clearly don't have any result that contradicts mine

Get the fuck off pieguy. He's still town.

I don't get it, why is pie town? I thought you thought he was town because you thought Kagami was scum.
Also you didnt answer my question

Pie isn't necessarily town, and I want to know what he thinks about this guilty. Wisdom is just being dumb. Kinda like his Jingle is scum rant.

Can we not disengage brain and vote Pie due to guilties?

I want Pie's response, claim and reads list, and will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate) a scumclaim.

It is L-3. That is enough for now.

PEDIT: L-2

why would you ever want a list of reads and a claim but would consider a hammer before that happens?

like I don't even get this.

VOTE: jingle

I want the reads and claim because scum fake guilties. Or have you forgotten AP in Antihero Reboot? Rushing through the day is both stupid and bad play.

will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate)

a scumclaim

Do you read the thread before post mollie?

enough to know that I did not write what you just assigned me posting to.

and I also understand the significance of "or" in your parenthesis but you seem to be ready to lynch him regardless

I think Om is town @ whoever asked me.

Why?

will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate)

a scumclaim

Do you read the thread before post mollie?

enough to know that I did not write what you just assigned me posting to.

and I also understand the significance of "or" in your parenthesis but you seem to be ready to lynch him regardless

It was in the quote in your post. My apologies for implying you stated that.

And no. I'm not at all ready for a lynch. I'm ready for Pie to claim, sure. That's not the same thing. If Pie refuses to answer to the accusation, then yeah, I'll lynch the shit out of him.

Explain what "pseudo guilty" is or I'm voteparking you until you die.

~Wis

Nope, masons or not masons.

That is all there is

I still want pie's response. Dreams, claim nothing further until that happens.

Dreams, wait for pie.

So here's my "fluff" in context, where I'm actually having a discussion and trying to quash antitown discussion. Yup. Super Scummy.

1. He was willing to sheep Wisdom on Alchemist town through Day 1, yet as soon as Wisdom flipped his town and scumreads on Alch and Om, he immediately tried to get the reasoning for Om. This doesn't look town because he only decided that Alch was scummier (Wisdom had the same reasons, by the way) once Wisdom explained the Om read. If he was town, I'd expect that unless he's hiding something really important, he'd discard the reason for not finding Alch as scummy (Wisdom's townread on him) immediately and go back to voting Alchemist immediately. I don't understand why he had to be convinced that Om and Alch are not partners to switch off of Om.

Or maybe I've been scumreading both for quite a while. And I'm not convinced that Om and Alch aren't partners. As for changing my vote when conftown gives me reasoning... Well.

The way you've been switching your votes are what I'm attacking, not your reads.

And you're saying that somehow voting between the different people I'm scumreading is scummy? How?