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Post Post #2050 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:35 am

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In post 2033, Peabody wrote:
Sure. It's here and halfway down.
It was way late, but I did end up sharing why I thought the way I did. I did end up following up on Dave in terms of your and his 1v1. I followed up on Uct based on him vs shinobi. I did not follow up on huntress in thread. I skimmed her, but didn't really see anything which immediately stood out.

You did not follow up on Dave. You stated you would look in-depth at him, not look at my case on Dave, but you yourself ISO and analyze him. This didn't come.

The good thing about you commenting on things so late is that they've already blown over. That is, nobody really cares much about that exchange anymore because it was a *1,000* pages ago.

You said Huntress was scum because you saw an 'aggressive defensiveness' () in her posts. Well, where did you see this? Show examples, explain why you thought this.

In post 2033, Peabody wrote:
Didn't you didn't say I wasn't townreading NPAU? I was frustrated with the wagons. I didn't like either choice. I was flopping back and forth on what I thought of his alignment. I was frustrated I was pinned into one or the other, so I said in my exasperation that both were probably town. I said what I said, hoping he would flip scum. Part of me did entertain the thought he was town, however, and I know you'll probably jump on this as being an inconsistancy.

It's not about what I said, it's about what you said. Look;

In post 970, Peabody wrote:
I'm not town reading NPAU


In post 995, Peabody wrote:
NPAU... I just don't see the NPAU case. Vote hopping isn't scummy to me at all.


In post 1005, Peabody wrote:
Both are probably town.


You're damn right I'm gonna jump all over that as inconsistency because that's exactly what it is. You were trying to get town-cred from NPAU's lynch, you had absolutely no reason to suddenly start town-reading NPAU when you voted him.

In post 2033, Peabody wrote:
I decided he was town. Now he's null. No, I didn't full on analyze him. I analyzed him based off of your 1v1. Which made me feel content on it at the time. Also, keep in mind I said that right before I reached peak apathy and didn't post for a few days.

Yeah, you're not getting out of this with the reasoning of being apathetic. You said in 1095 that you would look at Dave in-depth, this didn't happen. You merely commented on my case on Dave, not Dave himself, my case on Dave and moved on.

In post 2033, Peabody wrote: BBT, why, when you scum read Wisdom, are you gunning for my lynch now? Why did you wait until Wisdom said he could be wrong about me? Why were you talking to me like I was town when I accused you of being scum?

What does me previously scum-reading Wisdom have to do with you? Wasn't it you who pointed out I was 'pretending' to scum-read Wisdom? Did you think I was setting you up for a fall? You're awfully paranoid.

What does Wisdom saying he could be wrong have to do with you? Hell, would it not have been easier for me to just jump along for the ride when Wisdom was scum-reading you? This question makes no sense.

Those questions are filler. Serious filler.
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Post Post #2051 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:39 am

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In post 2036, goodmorning wrote:Peabody is Town. I look forward to seeing what Aegor has to say.

In post 2049, goodmorning wrote:
In post 2041, Nero Cain wrote:BBT is scum hunting.

This statement is questionable.

Hi there lurker providing absolutely no content to the game whatsoever.

Would you care to scum-hunt? That would be great.

Thanks.
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Post Post #2052 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:46 am

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I'm waiting for Aegor to post.

It's very easy to ask people to contribute, isn't it? I bet you think it makes you look busy.
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Post Post #2053 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:49 am

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I'm not busy?

You're right. I should start trying to question people or present cases or something...
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Post Post #2054 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:25 am

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In post 2043, Malakittens wrote:@Hunt:

I'd point out why I feel that way at a later time, but right now isn't the time to do so. I'm being vague for a reason.

Ok. I'll lay off him for the moment then.

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In post 2046, Nero Cain wrote:Just like Dave was being kinda scummy and BBT was scum hunting him. You writing that off as "taking potshots" doesn't make sense.

Actually, "taking potshots at each other" is a fair description of the last sentences of 2015 and 2016. I agree with Shinobi there.
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Post Post #2055 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:24 am

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In post 2053, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm not busy?

You're right. I should start trying to question people or present cases or something...

If only I could express my scumread on Toffee or - oh, wait. I already have.

It's cute that you're trying this though.
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Post Post #2056 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:26 am

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What's your case on me again?
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Post Post #2057 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:31 am

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All deal with the basic issues that define Why Toffee Is Scum.
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Post Post #2058 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:44 am

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Wow...I genuinely don't know what to say to that 'case'.

I wouldn't answer your hypothetical question. This doesn't make me scum.

I argued your second point in

Rush a lynch? We had already had a week's worth of discussion. How is that rushing?

Aaaaaand meta. No comment. Nobody reads me correctly using meta, it's actually quite funny.

I'm beginning to think you're seriously misguided town.

There is no way scum push a case this bad.
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Post Post #2059 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:45 am

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Re-read complete, one more piece of data would help.
Nero, what's your read on uctriton?

I'm having the most trouble getting a concrete read on BBT and MS/Wisdom. BBT because I'm hard pressed to find anyone he hasn't found scummy at one point, and Wisdom because of the hard reset.

I'm confident of Huntress, Mala, uctriton as being town. GM and Nero are probably town.

Best candidates for scum, according to the re-read analysis, are Josh and Shinobi. Peabody is a weak scum read, with BBT or the Wisdom slot on the bubble.

BBT is a special case. His play is very strong and aggressive, to the point that I think I've seen him pushing on everyone in the game. This could be a really active VT. What gives me pause and prevents me from just calling him obvtown, is that he played the exact same way in our previous game together, and he was scum in that game. I'm afraid that if he is town, and we both survive to LYLO, I'll WIFOM him into the scum slot and lose. And equally afraid that he could be scum and we'll write him off as obvtown. So I put him in the waffly category and hope that others who don't have a recent bad beat against him can sort it properly. Unfortunately, some other players reads on him are wavering too.
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Post Post #2060 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:56 am

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BTW, anticipating the "what took you so long" post. That took me between 3 and 6 hours (maybe even more) of real time, time sliced over the past 2 days. The text file with the notes I took while researching is 173 lines long, and that has just the hilights.
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Post Post #2061 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:48 am

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In post 2048, Shinobi wrote:I don't like lynching people for bad reasons.

Its only a "bad reason" if he's town so thanks for that I guess.


In post 2054, Huntress wrote:Actually, "taking potshots at each other" is a fair description of the last sentences of 2015 and 2016. I agree with Shinobi there.

meh. I could *maybe see that* but its the heat of battle and things get said but still, I think overall BBT was hunting Dave so it looked to me like she was waiving BBT off and miscatagorizing legit scumhunting.
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Post Post #2062 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:12 pm

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In post 2058, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I wouldn't answer your hypothetical question. This doesn't make me scum.

Not answering questions is not a pro-Town action.

I argued your second point in

I'm sure you did.

Rush a lynch? We had already had a week's worth of discussion. How is that rushing?

We had 2 weeks left, a player or 2 on V/LA, and a playerslot up for replacement. It's definitely rushing.

Aaaaaand meta. No comment. Nobody reads me correctly using meta, it's actually quite funny.

This rings a little flat to me.
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Post Post #2063 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:19 pm

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Great post!

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Post Post #2064 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:47 pm

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WOW

SO SCUMHUNTING

SUCH SCATHE

WOW
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Post Post #2065 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:01 pm

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Nero, it would really help me to know your uct read.
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Post Post #2066 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:02 pm

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@MOD, you complained about missing pagetop but didn't fill in a VC


There was one close to it and I didn't want to spam vote counts.
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Post Post #2067 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:18 pm

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Can someone give me a quick rundown on why Huntress is town?
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Post Post #2068 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:35 pm

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I said so
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Post Post #2069 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:51 pm

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Gee thanks.
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Post Post #2070 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:52 pm

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Your welcome!
I'll explain in like D3 if you want. :P
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Post Post #2071 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:56 pm

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Alternatively, you could give me a quick recap as well as an explanation as to why you're so sure you'll live until day 3.
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Post Post #2072 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:23 pm

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I actually don't care about the explanation much tbh.

Just...The casual certainty that you're going to be alive bugs me.
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Post Post #2073 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:52 pm

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Ugh I hate it when people disappear like that.

It makes me feel like a dick.
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Post Post #2074 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:00 pm

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Sorry watching TGW. Trying to get caught up by Sunday so I can watch it with Chamber.
I'm not really confident persay. I just feel like the chances of me dying is slim.
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