In post 918, Iecerint wrote: In post 913, PeregrineV wrote:OK, caught up.
Pretty much where I'm at.
Toasty- Yes, I think Toasty is town. Since he replaced in he has been interacting with everyone, and pushing, poking and prodding to get reads and create discussion. I admit I'm partial to this style myself, but I can see his play as transparent and actively trying to solve the game.
CTD- I mostly tend to lean CTD town, but not for the same reason as Toasty. For the most part, I've not been feeling his reads until we came to Nacho. My biggest concern for CTD is that I feel like he has a town read on me, but that we have really interacted. This could be because we just finished a game as masons together and maybe he knows me well enough without asking all the questions, but that type of interaction is how I pick up a lot of my reads.
Xay- Mostly only susceptible because while I don't have a strong town read on him, it's because I feel Toasty & CTD are more town. But, Sal putting him as a scumread along with me early game has kept him in the townside of everything.
Iec- Sorry, bud, but I do think you're scum. I like your caution and keeping up with the horoscope powers, but it really bugs me that you didn't use your ability to confirm (or damn) someone prior to circumstances making it impossible for you to do so. And I'll admit it doesn't help that you're scumreading me without me really understanding why you have that read.
Discuss.
This reads pretty much like point-for-point bullshit.
1. I can imagine reasons that someone might think that Toasty is town. However, "Toasty is trying to solve the puzzle" is the
opposite
of his playstyle this game. His playstyle this game is using rhetoric to support a position that he identifies ahead of time.
Except for the fact that I just finished
Revolution Mafia with him, in which I had a guilty on SKOT, and pressed him on his SKOT read. He pretty much called me scum and ignored me, and most of his posts were empty bullshit. Here, there is content and NOT empty bullshit.
This reads like you're just glancing at his long walls, perceiving "Toasty is tryharding," and then assuming that he is puzzle-solving without actually reading his posts critically.
Then I'll pretty much place the onus on YOU to disabuse me of my read. He has pretty much interacted with and commented/questioned every player. And not in the same scum-way as the last game.
2. The CTD content is meta-based; can't really comment on that. I don't really recall CTD having a townread on Peregrine, but I can imagine Peregrine being more sensitive to this possibility than me. She really
shouldn't
given her own stated take on the setup (1 scum, Xay cleared), but w/e. I suppose she thought it was Xay last night, so maybe just not re-broached due to your relative absence.
I don't recall a distinct read on me from CTD, except maybe not liking a wagon at some point. But a quick ISO+CRTL+F has at least 2 posts where he townread me.
Explain "relative absence", and that whole last sentence- not sure I get what you are saying.
3. CTD claimed to have roleblocked Xay last night, so Xay is extremely likely to be town. It is only possible that Xay is scum if a) he is scum with CTD or b) there are 2 scum and the other scum killed last night.
Just like the tracker in newbie games- if the other one did it, then tracking someone to nowhere means nothing.
This interaction is probably the most important thing to considering in evaluating Xay given how little he has done today, so the fact that you totally ignored/missed it, similar to your point about Toasty, makes me think you have not read the game very carefully for one reason or another.
Do YOU think Xay is cleared?
I don't think I missed anything, I'm just taking the pessimistic view.
4A. Again, you are missing/ignoring that I have explained the full context for using my Hider action. You can very easily cross-reference my activity in this game during D2 (the only night when it was reasonable to use my Hide) with my activity on the site in general and confirm that I am not bullshitting.
Except that if you knew you would be out, you can submit your night action early. Pretty sure RC will not say "It's daytime, send it to me at night."
And why the hell is non-optional use of an ability a scumtell, anyway? As scum I could "confirm" anyone in the game by lying about a hide target and then kill them immediately and avoid scrutiny due to this. Or I could just forego claiming Hider altogether, especially since someone (CTD I think) had just been like "well the Hider obviously used his/her ability yesterday hehe" immediately beforehand (i.e., so it was clear it would invite scrutiny).
Claiming the hider made me NOT want to lynch you, on the off chance that you could hard-confirm town. I accepted your reasoning before, since hey, you can use it n3. But, you didn't (you claim), so now it's less about using the Hider ability and more about claiming it.
4B. Main reasons to think you are relatively likely scum go way back to Salamance's kill D1 (the Elyse target over his stated suspects suggests his stated suspects may have included scumfriends, since he could just shoot his preferred target and take less scrutiny). Apart from that, the roleblock logic from CTD makes it more likely that at least one of you and Toasty are scum, hence my focus on the two of you.
I have said both of those things a gazillion times, so not sure why you do not understand that it is a thing.
And that's fine. I would venture a guess Toasty is NOT scum with you, so there is that.
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Get well soon.