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[Thestatusquo]

Shanba and I were talking about dig through time and he asked me if I thought it was better than fact or fiction and I thought about it for a while and was like...Actually yeah. By a wide margin.

So that's saying something.

[Sudo_Nym]

Well, Fact or Fiction gets you the best 1 of the top 5 plus maybe 1-2 more for 4, while Dig Through Time gets you the best 2 of the top 7 for 2. So, yeah, Dig Through Time really is better, though it requires a little more setup, but getting Delve online should be easy in any format with fetchlands.

[chamber]

in standard dig normally costs like 4ish mana. So it's pretty comparable to fof, but a lot hard to actually cast on turn 4.

[GreyICE]

Yeah... and Dig Through Time is just worse than Treasure Cruise.

The power level on Delve cards is terribly balanced. There's utter crap for infinity mana, then two of the best draw spells in the past 10 years.

[Natirasha]

Treasure Cruise is better in older formats because UU is way different from U and decks like Delver run little enough lands that it actually outputs more usable cards, but in standard, Dig is just much more applicable.

[Klazam]

I dont think that wizards can actually balance graveyard cards. Theyre straight up binary- either crap or uberbroke.

[chamber]

I dont think that wizards can actually balance graveyard cards. Theyre straight up binary- either crap or uberbroke.

Eh, the future sight delve cards were pretty well balanced(I know stalker had is day in legacy but that day is gone). I think the 5 mana removal spell is pretty well balanced too.

[Thestatusquo]

Threshold and flashback are nicely balanced.

[chamber]

I actually think threshold is a pretty shitty mechanic?

[Sudo_Nym]

I think it's more that Wizards doesn't really know how to balance card advantage.

[Klazam]

I take back my comment.


Pedit, i domt think so personally. Werebear was such an awesome card. Its a timebased mechanic with counterplay

Pedit2: youre probably right on that.

[InflatablePie]

Magic Card Generator

this is providing way more entertainment than it should

Spoiler: Clusterfuck

Enchantment - Aura (black)

Enchant permanent an opponent controls

4, Tap an untapped Rogue you control: target opponent gets 1 poison counter

Whenever enchanted permanent becomes tapped, put a doom counter on Clusterfuck. If Clusterfuck has X or more doom counters on it, where X is the number of creatures on the battlefield, flip it.

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Legendary Enchantment - Aura (black)

Enchant permanent an opponent controls

1, Tap an untapped Spirit you control: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield

When Clusterfuck is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you may pay 4. If you don't, target opponent may return a card from his or her graveyard to the battlefield

Tap an untapped Rogue you control: Clusterfuck deals 4 damage to each of two target players with 2 or more poison counters

Whenever enchanted permanent becomes untapped, up to two target black creatures get -4/-4 until end of turn

--Humanity kills even the bravest magic and proves better than even the scent – Foucault, the wonder

Converted mana cost: 6

Spoiler: Bullshit Charm

Sorcery - Arcane (red and black)
Choose one:
- You and target opponent each untap and gain control of up to X target creatures with haste the other controls until end of turn, where X is the number of poison counters an opponent has. They gain haste until end of turn;
- Up to three target creatures with power 3 get +1/-1 until end of turn;
- Target creature gains ''When ~this~ leaves the battlefield, target player may pay RR. If that player doesn't, ~this~ deals 3 damage to each of two target players. Creatures damaged this way can't be regenerated this turn'' until end of turn;
- All creatures get +3/+0 until end of turn. Regenerate all creatures with power 4 or less;
- You may return any number of creature cards from your graveyard to your hand.

Entwine X colourless mana, where X is the number of Warrior spells cast this turn

Spoiler: blue Tibalt

Eshese 2ore
Planeswalker - Eshese (blue, Loyalty 5)
+2: change the text of target red creature spell by replacing all instances of one coloured mana symbol with another. (This effect doesn't end at end of turn.)
-4: return two target lands to their owner's hand
-9: up to two target Wizards get -1/-0 until end of turn

Converted mana cost: 3

Spoiler: dat flavor

Reso Otheset
Planeswalker - Reso (green, Loyalty 3)
+2: destroy target creature with flying
-3: add G to your mana pool. Spend this mana only on nongreen spells.
-7: all creatures with total power and toughness 6 or less get +3/+4 (This effect doesn't end)
--His toes may catch even the bravest lawyer
– Aquolluamti, Lord of the Royal Forest, Novice Hermit of the Cult of the Enchanted Abyss

Converted mana cost: 5

and sometimes it just churns out silly shit like Ancestral Recall with Transmute 1, or Destroy all nonblack creatures for B, because WHY NOT.

and a surprising amount of regenerating and/or granting protection to lands...

[Natirasha]

I'd play blue Tibalt.

[bv310]

3cmc to double-bounce lands makes it a grossly powerful card.

[GreyICE]

3 CC Plow under? Yes please (even if it's brutally hard to ever charge it again)

[chamber]

Brutally hard is an understatement. It can't charge itself ever.

[Sudo_Nym]

That ultimate, though. Take that, Wizard Tribal!

[GreyICE]

Brutally hard is an understatement. It can't charge itself ever.

Contagion Engine go!

[chamber]

Gilder Bairn. Contagion Clasp. That's about all I've got.

[Natirasha]

Flickerwisp.

[chamber]

If we go that route there are way too many (most that don't have you recasting it would leave it open to attack though).

[Klazam]

If we go that route there are way too many (most that don't have you recasting it would leave it open to attack though).

Youre plowing them under starting on the third turn. (Second with mana elf/birds/hierarch) When'll they ever attack?

[chamber]

I don't think anyone was calling the card fair.

[GreyICE]

Well presumably in any format that card was legal in, you'd be able to Fastbond your lands back into play.

[chamber]

I also think that card being legal would be so constrictive on decks that they'd mostly play 1 and 2 mana spells.