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Post Post #2950 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:06 am

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In post 2949, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:For two, you could both be town.

Haha. Very funny.

Do you think I don't know the consequences?

Do you think I don't know what I'm doing?

I know what the risks are, and I know what's on the table.

I wouldn't be doing this unless I was
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Post Post #2951 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:08 am

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I wish I could share your confidence.
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Post Post #2952 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:33 am

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My case against TTH, in book form.

I’m guessing what bugs me is that she claimed vengeful. Vengeful is something you should never claim as either town or scum. As FG suggested, as Mafia she could have done a day 2 gambit, claimed cop and done real damage. As town, she should have stayed quiet, waited to Mylo and then nailed the hammerer. Since she did neither of those, we have to assume she didn’t play it optimally, regardless of her alignment. Now, I have 2 reasons I want to lynch her. 1, she is scum. 2, we can win the game if she flips scum.

Evidence for the first point. 1. I still think her earlier post (quoted below so there is no misrepresention) didn’t make sense in the neighbor flow and was probably a scum slip and would make more sense in the scum PT flow. 2. She is a bit of a lurker, hasn’t really put too much out there pushing wise and is sheeping a little. In fact, she’s barely been here day 2. My guess is the scum PT is going to be a great deal of “pls don’t talk anymore” posts to TTH. 3. She was behind that awful vengeful gambit day one to try to get to use her power. Nobody, not anybody, has told me why they thought that was a good idea yet. Vengeful is an anti-town ability and to suggest losing a townie to get scum maybe is just dumb beyond belief. Feels more like scum wanting to seem important than town trying to win.

Now, the associative reads part (all of this assumes she flips scum). 1. We have a hard confirm of Wake as town as the topic of the below reference PT post. We have a soft confirm of the following, (AK, Myself, Massive). If you include broken toaster in the mix, these are all people she was trying to venge. She also voted Boons at one point. So, her flipping scum gives associative town reads to AK/Myself/Wake/Massive/Boons. That should be enough that we can lynch everybody else and still be ahead. I’m assuming there are 2 more scum in this game, of the remaining, I would say, in likelhood from most to least scummiest is Fakegod/Rufflig/Flubber/Titus. She was hard sheeping Fakegod toward the end, especially with the “If you say JA is scum, then I’ll vote”. It’s almost like a new scum player begging for help from an experienced scum buddy.

@Everybody, where am I wrong?

PS @TTH, I volunteer to be vengekilled for putting this forward. If I am indeed wrong, please kill me.


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I haven't had any games with him, but I've read a couple games with Wake88 and I've seen his posts around the forum (particularly Mafia Discussion). To my understanding, he's a pretty divisive player.

Have you played with Wake88 before and how do you go about tackling a read like that?

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Post Post #2953 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:18 am

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Post Post #2954 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:33 am

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In post 2952, Doogal121 wrote:@Everybody, where am I wrong?


In pretty much everything, but I really don't have time to go through it.
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Post Post #2955 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:37 am

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In post 2930, FakeGod wrote:Let me put that in bigger fonts so it doesn't go missed.

I would like to 1v1 Rufflig.

In post 2931, FakeGod wrote:IT'S YOU OR ME SCUMBAG

In post 2932, FakeGod wrote:
Vote: Rufflig

Vote: Rufflig

Vote: Rufflig

Vote: Rufflig

Vote: Rufflig


My top priority now is the Fake God read. BBT, where are you on that?
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Post Post #2956 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:55 am

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In post 2925, FakeGod wrote:Boons

you have one job and one job only

it's to get a guilty

do you understand me?

if you get a guilty, I guarantee that town will win

Rufflig Vs FG is Scum vs Scum, TTH is in on it.
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Post Post #2957 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:56 am

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I have no idea why that quote came through on my quick reply....
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Post Post #2958 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:26 am

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Doogal you reek of confirmation bais right now.

A scum wouldn't trade one of themselves for a vengeful kill.

FG has plenty of town cred from day one; no need to be bussing on top of it.

So considering my scum read on Rufflig, FG can be town for now. I will be waffling the shit out of this read; get over it.
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Post Post #2959 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:29 am

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TTH, I think FG is town.

I'm joining him.

VOTE: Rufflig
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Post Post #2960 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:49 am

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In post 2951, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I wish I could share your confidence.

You asked me to lead.

I'm asking the town to follow.
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Post Post #2961 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:50 am

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In post 2956, Doogal121 wrote:Rufflig Vs FG is Scum vs Scum

cool story bro

you should tell it again
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Post Post #2962 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:51 am

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you should also explain why you're not voting for me or Rufflig when you believe it to be a guaranteed scum lynch
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Post Post #2963 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:07 am

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In post 2938, FakeGod wrote:Look at the way he posted 2917, and 2921.

He suddenly expresses his scumread on me out of nowhere, then proceeds to pull out a random post I made, and follows up with a vote.

That isn't town.


It's also not what happened.

My suspicions of you started in 2119 because of your 2096. Granted, I didn't press it hard. I couldn't - not without exposing a mason. In 2660, I called you on your 2651 when you conveniently left your name off the list of players who had both been on the BBT and JA wagons. In that same post I assert that you had figured out who the undisclosed mason was the day before - a point which you happily confirmed in 2674.

As for what you think about the timing - it is irrelevant. I'll answer it anyway. I waited until after everyone had checked in and had an ample opportunity to speak their mind. Your prompting for scum reads was coincidental; I had planned to bring it up that night anyhow.

Your defense for knowingly trying to aim a venge kill at a mason is "It was a joke"! Somehow you expected that to satisfy anyone? HA!
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Post Post #2964 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:14 am

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It was a joke.

And you're dying today, scumbag.
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Post Post #2965 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:17 am

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And you were hoping TTH would recognise you were joking? How would she do that?
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Post Post #2966 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:19 am

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Of course not.

She's not a mind reader.

She immediately asked me if I was serious, and I said no.

In post 2104, FakeGod wrote:
In post 2101, TellTaleHeart wrote:GreenCrayons? Why do you say that name, FakeGod?

I was only half serious.
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Post Post #2967 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:37 am

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In post 2963, The Rufflig wrote:Your defense for knowingly trying to aim a venge kill at a mason

This is
wrong
.

I am the biggest proponent of not using TTH's ability.

How can you possibly accuse of me trying to direct a venge kill,
when I've been yelling at people to not lynch TTH
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Post Post #2968 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:38 am

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You have no case.

Your reasons are weak, and you overplayed your hand.

And you will pay for it with your life.
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Post Post #2969 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:07 pm

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In post 2967, FakeGod wrote:
In post 2963, The Rufflig wrote:Your defense for knowingly trying to aim a venge kill at a mason

This is
wrong
.

I am the biggest proponent of not using TTH's ability.

How can you possibly accuse of me trying to direct a venge kill,
when I've been yelling at people to not lynch TTH
?


You know damn well that with less than 24 hours left in the day that a TTH lynch was still a possibility. Let me repeat, TTH gained 2 more votes as the deadline loomed closer. If the mod hadn't stepped in there would have been a real possibility of a TTH lynch no matter how loud you shouted. This is how the wagons looked at the time of the lock:

Jagged Appliance (6): FakeGod, The Rufflig, Boonskiies, Flubbernugget, Doogal121, BlueBloodedToffee
TellTaleHeart (5): Green Crayons, Jagged Appliance, Wake88, TellTaleHeart, Csareo
Boonskiies (1): massive

Not Voting: Anatole Kuragin

massive and AK were both town reading JA. Tell me it is my imagination that TTH couldn't have been lynched because you were shouting so much against it.

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Btw, your "plan" for the town to win requires that you be completely correct on all your town reads (TTH, Wake88, BBT and Titus). Are you prepared to explain why the town should trust your reads on these players? Assuming you manage to get me lynched, your credibility in reading players will come sharply into question - pushing townies twice into being lynched does that.
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Post Post #2970 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:10 pm

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Nope, sorry.

It doesn't matter how you spin it.

TTH lynch was not happening d1.

I see the VC you quoted and I see Jagged at L-1, not TTH.
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Post Post #2971 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:12 pm

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Have you considered that if I really did wanted to lynch TTH and wanted to influence her shot,
that I could have easily done it?


TTH was townreading me above anyone else at the time of that VC.

It would have been trivial for me to do so, yet I had not, and
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Post Post #2972 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:13 pm

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In post 2968, FakeGod wrote:You have no case.

Your reasons are weak, and you overplayed your hand.

And you will pay for it with your life.


My reasons are better than yours. You claim that someone making a case now outside a pool of players that you have decided on means that the person making the case must be scum. Pshaw! You are saying that it is literally impossible for a townie to make a case on anyone except the players that you decide it is ok for a case to be made on. Go ahead and prove that one. Hell, if you get me lynched then you will have proven it wrong yourself.
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Post Post #2973 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:14 pm

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In post 2971, FakeGod wrote:Have you considered that if I really did wanted to lynch TTH and wanted to influence her shot,
that I could have easily done it?


TTH was townreading me above anyone else at the time of that VC.

It would have been trivial for me to do so,
yet I had not, and
I'm never going to advocate TTH lynch in this game.


Exactly. It certainly looked like you tried.
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Post Post #2974 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:15 pm

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In post 2969, The Rufflig wrote:Btw, your "plan" for the town to win requires that you be completely correct on all your town reads (TTH, Wake88, BBT and Titus).

Ha. You think I'm wrong?

I'll remind you that I
have never been endgamed as town except once in all of my games
. (it was against Nacho and Thor scumteam; they were unbeatable)

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