Mini Normal 1609: The Case Of Doctor Pepper (Game Over)

[FakeGod]

I'm going to wait to change my vote until Rufflig responds.

[Wake1]

FG, Scum had no certainty GC was a Mason.

How do you know this?

It wasn't exactly a state secret.

Rufflig and I figured it out yesterday. As Rufflig put it, it was just an exercise in ISO.

Did he claim or crumb being a Mason, FakeGod?

The reason I'm asking is because it wasn't apparent to me, nor should it have been, if one is a Mason. As Mason you should strive to remain latent. I didn't get the feeling that he was a Mason. When you say you and Rufflig figured out he was a Mason, after just reading my post that there was no certainty GC was Scum, it makes me feel that you and he are Scum.

I'm going to have to review your ISOs.

[FakeGod]

The reason I'm asking is because it wasn't apparent to me

It's because you're not reading.

Had you gone back and read the VCs/ISOs, it would have been very apparent who the second mason was.

[Wake1]

The reason I'm asking is because it wasn't apparent to me

It's because you're not reading.

Had you gone back and read the VCs/ISOs, it would have been very apparent who the second mason was.

I can't agree with you there, because I have been reading this thread. I forget a lot of the bickering and nonsense, though.
If you would, FakeGod, please show me (actually show me) how it was very apparent who the 2nd Mason was.

[FakeGod]

No.

Do not ask me for help.

I made it clear that I won't be reaching out to you again.

[Wake1]

Well that's odd.

FG still blames me for outing BBT even though I didn't even put him at L1.

Then he says it was very apparent that GC was a Mason even though it wasn't.

He refuses to help at all and is basically being anti-Town. Can't tell if it's a ruse.

It's starting to feel like one.

[TellTaleHeart]

Then he says it was very apparent that GC was a Mason even though it wasn't.

When I said "I have a pretty good idea of who the Mason is" yesterday, I was talking about GC. I second-guessed myself because I started to think massive was BBT's partner (they were townreading each other the whole day with not much of an apparent reason), but my first impression was that it was GC.

GC himself implied it pretty heavily at places.

[Wake1]

I didn't get that impression.

It wasn't obvious, and it's not honest to assume others should have known.

If he heavily implied it, I would like to be shown where he did so. FG refuses to help. Maybe you will help?

[TellTaleHeart]

Summary of the Neighborhood PT:

BBT starts off with an expression of dismay, I'm assuming at my claim/his claim/how the day went.

I told him why I changed my mind on massive and why I thought he was the other mason (it was the same reason I said in the previous post). I talked about FakeGod and how even though I'm still townreading him, the Jagged flip is shaking my faith in that read. I told him my top scumreads: Doogal and Anatole and I told him I was still skeptical of Boonskiies' claim. I also said I thought Rufflig's exit and re-entrance onto the Jagged wagon yesterday was weird, but I wasn't quite sure why.

BBT then said he was townreading FakeGod strongly because of FakeGod's entrance. He said he was also a Boonskiies skeptic. He said he was townreading Rufflig, but that read was subject to change. He also asked me about Flubber and Wake, noting that Flubber stayed out of the center of attention most of the day.

I told him that I don't want to let go of my Flubber read, though his Day 1 play was pretty lackluster and I told him my patience for Wake was up. I also said that if Boonskiies and Doogal were scum, that would give me a scumread on Rufflig.

(Continuing this later)

[TellTaleHeart]

If he heavily implied it, I would like to be shown where he did so.

I'll get to this as well.

[TellTaleHeart]

Wake:

Vote Count 1.07

BlueBloodedToffee(6)

– TellTaleHeart, Flubbernugget, Csareo, Boonskiies, Doogal121, Wake88

Csareo(5)

– Omph, The Rufflig, Green Crayons, BlueBloodedToffee, massive

JaggedAppliance(1)

– Anatole Kuragin

Not Voting(1)

- JaggedAppliance[/area]

If Csareo is town, BBT is scum: lol BBT isn't scum so I'm not even going to think hard about a scenario that isn't plausible

If Csareo is scum, BBT is town: TTH and Doogal are pretty high on my list of suspects, considering play and wagon timing.
If Csareo is town, BBT is town: TTH OR Doogal, Ruffling OR massive (OR maaaybe Omph -- I'm not digging his complete absence), and I feel like I should say Anatole OR Jagged, but I like their posting so it hurts me to say that

My "or" pairings in the town/town scenario do not necessarily exclude the other party, I just paired the players from each wagon who strike me as most suspicious in a town/town scenario based off of game memory of everyone's play.


Let's see. I didn't mention Flubber, Boon, Wake, or myself in the above, so I'm town reading those folks. (Feeling p solid about all of those except Boon, who appears to have have turned on a dime, and was convinced to such a degree by Csareo's single post summarizing his case against BBT that Boon began reading Csareo as town, is . . . questionable.)

Obviously from the above, I'm also town reading BBT.

I'm throwing Anatole and Jagged into the strong lean town category, because I like the town feel of their posting, but I also recognize that their posting feels somewhat safe.

This is the sentence I saw. Not sure if FakeGod and Rufflig are talking about the same thing.

[Wake1]

I may be aggravating and relentless at times, but it's because I'm Town hunting for Scum.

It's when I'm not aggravating but pleasant that you need to suspect I'm Scum.

TTH, are you willing to quote some of the posts from the PT?

[Wake1]

TTH the reason I don't take that as evidence is because Rufflig also mentioned that he absolutely refused to vote BBT. It's in the ISO, too.

[Wake1]

I want to know exactly why players rammed through that mislynch.

People did not listen when I said the wagon was crap, so I want

answers

.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I want to know exactly why players rammed through that mislynch.

People did not listen when I said the wagon was crap, so I want

answers

.

Anyone in particular you want answers from?

[TellTaleHeart]

Summary of Neighborhood PT continued:

BBT asks why I said Doogal and Boonskiies would imply Rufflig is scum.

I said it was because Rufflig defended Boon under pressure and because I think Doogal is pretty scarce in Rufflig's posting. I added that I thought the most difficult read in the game was the Csareo/Titus slot. I thought Csareo was fairly town, but I thought Titus' entrance was pretty lacking.

BBT agreed with the townread on Csareo and said he would have to reread Titus' posting.

I asked him about his reads on Green Crayons because I was getting mixed signals on that read.

BBT said GC was a townread for various reasons (detailed posting, non-opportunism). He added that Flubber and Boon are who he wanted to focus on Day 2.

I asked him about his Anatole read and I said I thought Anatole was scum.

BBT said Anatole started out as a townread, but that read has since decayed.

As we already went over the entire playerlist, we then bantered about English geography the rest of the night.

[TellTaleHeart]

I want to know exactly why players rammed through that mislynch.

People did not listen when I said the wagon was crap, so I want

answers

.

I, for one, think Flubbernugget is an excellent person to demand those from.

[TellTaleHeart]

TTH the reason I don't take that as evidence is because Rufflig also mentioned that he absolutely refused to vote BBT. It's in the ISO, too.

Counterpoint: Post 191

[Wake1]

I want to know exactly why players rammed through that mislynch.

People did not listen when I said the wagon was crap, so I want

answers

.

Anyone in particular you want answers from?

Basically, everyone.

I have a lot of questions to ask people, but I feel a bit like some players flat-out refuse to answer them.

For one, I'd like to know what you feel of TTH's alignment currently. SInce you're a Mason, and your Mason partner is dead, do you feel the Neighbor you're attached to is also Town? Is there anything you could of said or done that may have given her the impression of who your partner is?

Neither of you died, either.

GC died. WHy was GC killed instead of you? Why wasn't TTH killed?

Basically I feel like I'm seeing things that are happening, then I get ignored, and then happen.

"Guys, guys, don't lynch JA. It's a mislynch."
~JA is a VT and is mislynched.

"Guys, guys, it'd be really suspicious if BBT and TTH survive the Night."
~GC, Mason, found dead and BBT and TTH survive.

[Wake1]

I want to know exactly why players rammed through that mislynch.

People did not listen when I said the wagon was crap, so I want

answers

.

I, for one, think Flubbernugget is an excellent person to demand those from.

I would rather not narrow my target field. (Everyone including BBT is not exempt from questioning and interaction.)

Because BBT is confTown in my eyes, I am hoping to do most of my business with him this game, because I feel I'm not going to be lied to.

TTH the reason I don't take that as evidence is because Rufflig also mentioned that he absolutely refused to vote BBT. It's in the ISO, too.

Counterpoint: Post 191

Was 190 before or after he refused to vote BBT? If before, then it could easily be Scum trying to blend in. Countless times as Scum I've done that.

[Wake1]

I refuse to lynch BBT, today.

My counterpoint to your counterpoint, TTH.

This is what made me feel Rufflig was Mason. Not GC.

Do you reckon Rufflig was trying to make himself seem as something he wasn't?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Basically, everyone.

I have a lot of questions to ask people, but I feel a bit like some players flat-out refuse to answer them.

For one, I'd like to know what you feel of TTH's alignment currently. SInce you're a Mason, and your Mason partner is dead, do you feel the Neighbor you're attached to is also Town? Is there anything you could of said or done that may have given her the impression of who your partner is?

Neither of you died, either.

GC died. WHy was GC killed instead of you? Why wasn't TTH killed?

Basically I feel like I'm seeing things that are happening, then I get ignored, and then happen.

"Guys, guys, don't lynch JA. It's a mislynch."
~JA is a VT and is mislynched.

"Guys, guys, it'd be really suspicious if BBT and TTH survive the Night."
~GC, Mason, found dead and BBT and TTH survive.

Who in particular? You must have stronger feelings about some people over others on the wagon.

Wake, I really don't mean to cause offence but I imagine (and it's certainly the case for me) that people don't want to discuss issues with you because you're not a pleasant person to engage with. You really need to work on your interpersonal skills and maybe people will engage more and enjoy playing with you.

Here, I'm going to give it another go.

I think TTH is town. It's not a strong read, but it's strong enough that I wouldn't even consider lynching her today. I'm also in agreement with FG and TTH in that I felt it was pretty obvious that GC was my partner so anybody could have guessed that.

I also agreed that JA was a bad lynch, hence why I refused to join it.

Why is it suspicious to you that TTH and myself survived the night?

[TellTaleHeart]

Why wasn't TTH killed?

Your announcement of planning to vote me if I didn't die might have something to do with it.

[TellTaleHeart]

I refuse to lynch BBT, today.

My counterpoint to your counterpoint, TTH.

This is what made me feel Rufflig was Mason. Not GC.

Do you reckon Rufflig was trying to make himself seem as something he wasn't?

Are you asking me if Rufflig purposefully disguised his behavior to make himself look like BBT's mason partner?

I don't think so, as reaping the benefits of such a plan would require BBT to die, which didn't happen.

[TellTaleHeart]

My counterpoint to your counterpoint, TTH.

Since this conversation isn't really productive, I'm going to say that I think there's no reason for a mason to vote someone he knew to be town and leave it at that.