Mini 416 - AM Mafia - Game Over D:

[Jack]

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“How can you prove whether at this moment we are sleeping, and all our thoughts are a dream; or whether we are awake, and talking to one another in the waking state?” ~ Plato

Panzerjager -3- (Jingolaw, CoG888, Jack)
Jingolaw -1- (Panzerjager)
Not voting -2- (Guardian, Elias_The_Thief)

With 6 alive, it takes

4

to lynch.
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what on earth makes you think CoG was lying? You think he planned out that claim back on day 3 when he was defending Pbug? You think he just decided to come out and claim tracker without anyone pressuring him to (in a game with a one-shot vig, tracker is a likely role, he could easily have been counterclaimed)? You believe that pj deleted his pm's? You bileeve pj would try and block TSQ? You think it's just coincidence that TSQ died that night?

[Guardian]

People, please read my logic and analyze; jack is doing a good job acting (or I am just really really off about these things) and I think I found the scum pair.

[PJ.]

Hey, Jack. Anyway, I think Guardian and Jack are the scum pair. This seems like major distancing from Guardian.

Guardian I claimed the block on Jack Day 1 who was Ripley then and Day 2 block on Pbug with the Day 3 being the claim by CoG telling me I blocked TSQ, which I did. Guardian all this talk about Jack being the most scum screams that he got caught in the act and thats why Jack threw in that part about me throwing punchs at guardian. He's knows.

And screenshots of my PM box are coming if Skruffs allows it.

[CoG888]

I am

really

bothered by this accusation:

You (cog) said Panzer must be the mafia role blocker...

No, Gaurdian, I

NEVER

said that. You are lying. You are accusing me of saying something I never said. I flat out said that I did not believe Panzer's claim of role blocker. No where did I say he was a "mafia roleblocker" which seems to be the key to your delusional theory.

[PJ.]

True, Both he and Jack are twisting facts thusly are scum.

[Guardian]

Hey, Jack. Anyway, I think Guardian and Jack are the scum pair. This seems like major distancing from Guardian.

Wow. This is such obvious crap logic that I am tempted to vote you right now. You do realize that the town is at lylo, right? And that you are at lynch -1? And that if Jack and I are scum,

I would have hammered and won the game already!!

Seriously, I want to think it over a wee bit more, but that logic alone almost gives me enough reason to lynch you. Painting me at scum from your point of view makes absolutely no sense, if you are town. Address this, now!

And screenshots of my PM box are coming if Skruffs allows it.

You know he won't, and asking for him to let is such mod WIFOM that... Nah, I will still take my time.



Cog, I thought you said Panzer must have blocked you night one (meaning you buy his roleblocker claim). You then said that he was lying about his claim and he must be scum. You are now on a -1 wagon on him at lylo. You

didn't

say that Panzer must have blocked you night one. My bad.

I am now very confused as to how you got no result on PBug. How do you explain this?

[Guardian]

Also, I note that Panzer never claimed that he blocked TSQ night three. Whereas Cog did (although not explicitly) claim that Panzer targeted TSQ night three.

Panzer

, I still await your quote of you claiming you blocked TSQ night three.

If you do not address this somehow in your next post, it is very likely I will lynch you

.

[Elias_the_thief]

Why the hell hasnt someone unvoted? In my opinion Guardian cant be scum, he wouldve hammered, so either the last scum is sleeping on the job, or theyre both already on the wagon (assuming there are 2).

Also, guardian, are you seriously asking a player to quote a PM from the mod? Which has a penalty of modkilling? How can you possibly be requesting this?

[Guardian]

Elias, Panzer suggested that he would quote a PM from the mod.

I did not suggest that he do so

, he said that he would and I called him out on it because the idea is completely mod WIFOM.

Mod

prod Jingolaw, we are at lynch -1 at lylo and he hasn't posted since I and Jack got here.

Luckily, Elias isn't scum, or is scum with PJ. I am really thinking that I am right about at least one of Cog + Jack. The thing is, with six town left and four to lynch, barring scum bussing to confuse us, which they might, we need all four townies on the scum wagon for it to work. They only need two townies to slip up for us to lose.

Elias

, did you have any night two actions?

[Guardian]

ebwop?: Oh Elias, I get what you mean now. He said he claimed

in the thread

that he blocked TSQ night three. I want him to quote

that

.

[Elias_the_thief]

oh, ok. I understand now. Since we're at LYLO, do you feel I should claim at this point?

[Guardian]

I am uncertain as to whether you should make a full claim, but if you had any night two actions that is very significant. Did you?

[CoG888]

I am now very confused as to how you got no result on PBug. How do you explain this?

Gaurdian: Read my post where I claimed again, You will find the answer to your question.

I am not unvoting. I think we found scum. Elias, Gaurdian is not cleared, he may be reluctant to bus his buddy panzer.

Makes sense that Panzer is scum with 3 votes... No one has hammered, If Panzer was a townie scum would have hammered already.

Gaurdian: If Elias had relevant information to claim with, he would have by now. He doesn't need your last-minute-role-fishing, and neither does the town.

[Guardian]

I've been thinking about it, and I am thinking a full claim can't hurt us... There is just too much uncertainty (and we should play as if we are at lylo) that the costs of making a full claim (bye bye power roles) don't outweigh the benefits (giving us more information to go on).

Propose: mass claim

. I think if we get a majority for mass claim, it is a good thing to do, more likely than not. If we do mass claim, I'd say pj needs to claim his flavor, then Cog needs to pick someone to claim flavor + abilities next, and so on and so forth.

[Guardian]

And I was roleblocking him thinking he could be a godfather.

Wow, I am dense. PJ, no need to go quote this for me. It still doesn't make you town... But my supposed "catches" on the re-read were non-existent.

Cog, so you are saying that PJ is mafia, and that someone else is the mafia roleblocker? That is plausible, but not necessarily true. If we mislynch here, we lose, I don't think getting role information is a bad idea.

[CoG888]

Gaurdian: You want a mass claim?

You start it.

[PJ.]

Why does it matter? If I'm a mislynch everything learned from the mass claim is wasted. Is your mass claim assuming I'm scum Guardian?

Alright now the logic I have deviated from as of late. I'm still alive. Elias is probably a doc or power role, I'm Townie roleblocker, Guardian is vanilla townie
Jack is Mafia, Jingolaw is mafia, and CoG is townie tracker as we said already.

Jack comes in jumps on the biggest bandwagon and with gusto, opposing guardian because of guardian's lack of intiative in lynching me. Why does he want to lynch me so bad? So it is game over. Remember Jack was CPT.Fantastic / Ripley.

Jingolaw has acted proscum all game. He OMGUS me for a quick vote on the 4th day. That was his reasoning. CoG pretended to follow it but in the end was suspicious of me because of his trackerness..Guys we can win this right now..Kill Jingolaw or jack we RB the other and lynch..

Vote:Jingolaw

[Elias_the_thief]

after consulting the mod, the information I could provide will not refute cogs claim. larger post coming later.

[Elias_the_thief]

ok.
Guardian brings up a good point about how the mafia wouldnt block and kill the same player. So that means that Panzer is either just plain scum, or just plain roleblocker, as he says. But I'm having trouble believing the claim, based on the fact that cog was blocked night 1 and panzer had no idea. Also, I have no info to refute cogs claim, and it seems that if since he fake claimed targets with none refuted, besides the claim from panzer, I'm inclined to believe it. So in conclusion, I think that panzer = scum, but Im not gonna hammer yet.

Im also inclined to believe that guardian is scum, possibly the mafia roleblocker. Seeing as we're at LYLO, Im not thinking that mass claiming is really a bad idea.

[Guardian]

PJ, I am not assuming that you are scum. I want a mass claim because I want to make sure we lynch right today. PJ, before I start the mass claiming, I want to hear from you what your flavor is for your role. I know we are in Little Italy, but this game obviously has significant flavor.

I at this point really would not be opposed to a Jack lynch today, for reasons I said earlier. Like I said, I could see Jack as being scum with anyone in the game.

Elias, I am not scum. Like, I really hope PJ isn't scum, because if we lynch him and he is scum, then the town will likely mislynch me tomorrow. This endgame is hard, because I can see anyone as being scum... I will definitely very carefully re-read the last few pages before I put a vote on anyone at this point.

PJ, claim flavor, and I'll start the mass claim.

[PJ.]

I am the dog. I am reckless. I can step on things and knock things over and acciently flip switchs on and off stoping things from doing anything for the night.

[Guardian]

I am a coffee machine, I brew coffee in the morning to help the dude get up so that is why I am Pro-Work. I would have abilities because of my nice smell and early morning coffee alarm, but I am in the kitchen and too far away so I am a

vanilla townie

.

I definitely want Jack and Jingo next, but I only get to choose one...

Jack

, you're up.

[PJ.]

ok

[Elias_the_thief]

*waits expectantly*

[CoG888]

Unvote

need to read past 567...