Open 571- Pick Your Poison Game over

[Anatole Kuragin]

sup

[Anatole Kuragin]

Wait.. Alch, you don't see it dude?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Who's Fluminator and why are people voting for him?

P.S. I'm new here so I don't know the people here.

Don't worry I haven't played with anyone in this game either apart from reinoe. Two votes on a wagon could just be not paying attention. Three votes in RVS would be unusal.

Why are you trying to scare me away from dropping a third vote on the fluminatrix?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Hmm, quite unusual. It's almost as if the rigid RVS rules you described don't mean shit and that mafia players of either alignment would rather piss people off with completely alignment-neutral bullshitting than let you be correct about anything.

[Anatole Kuragin]

What gave you that impression?

[Anatole Kuragin]

If anything your argument would be that I knew something about the alignments of the people voting Flum, not Fluminator himself, though it was meant as a pretty general statement.

Would you like to make that argument?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Am I Natalie Kerrigan?:

[Anatole Kuragin]

what are you guys even talking about

[Anatole Kuragin]

Wait wait wait. Only scum submitting anything, right?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I got a PM that said I was town then a while later a role PM.

[Anatole Kuragin]

what are you guys even talking about

L O L
So you're saying you didn't submit any choices?
When this guy flips scum I want 100% credit btw.

lol you are le scummy face

[Anatole Kuragin]

I didn't - you were implying that town submitted roles, which obviously confused me.

[Anatole Kuragin]

what are you guys even talking about

L O L
So you're saying you didn't submit any choices?
When this guy flips scum I want 100% credit btw.

Can you just break down this whole comment for me?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Oh ok, because it looked like you were scum and thought that in addition to the roles that scum submitted, town would be submitting roles.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Isn't it crazy that it looks like that?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Aphix I dunno what you're getting at, Anatole is obviously town. You'll have to explain using little words for me.

Because of the degree of the reaction he had.

I also don't think the two responses you gave were correct. As either alignment I'd choose not to say anything and see what people do. If I was to call you out on it, I'd be looking at explaining everything and calling you out directly, as opposed to playing dumb and being like, duh I don't know what you are doing here. Especially with his later posts making it look like he thought you scum slipped ... but deciding to let it go. It's a concern of mine.

That's cool that half your explanation for voting me is for stuff that happened after you voted me. Are you looking into a krystal bald to see my mafia future?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm not signing

I don't want this alive past day 3.

That's how I feel about everyone with an anime avatar.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm blunt.

Hell yeah bro 420

[Anatole Kuragin]

I still don't know what to think of that "reaction test." It don't see any town motivation for it.

[Anatole Kuragin]

sure

VOTE: Krystal Bald

[Anatole Kuragin]

Aphix, what made you change your mind on your opinion of Krystal's brilliant reaction test?

[Anatole Kuragin]

A scumslip makes more sense to me, and would be more optimistic about your mafia prowess which you seem to feel is being threatened here, than that "reaction test" possibly having any town motivation behind it.

[Anatole Kuragin]

No, making what appears to be a slip, then trying to twist it into a "reaction test" with the intention of implicating a townie (or clearing them) for really shit logic means they're likely scum.

[Anatole Kuragin]

but yw for the lesson

[Anatole Kuragin]

No, making what appears to be a slip, then trying to twist it into a "reaction test" with the intention of implicating a townie (or clearing them) for really shit logic means they're likely scum.

OK so you're saying your entire argument is based in the fact that you think I made a slip. TY for admitting that, I must now direct you to my above post where I describe myself as not an idiot.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

everyone makes mistakes, doesn't make you an idiot

[Anatole Kuragin]

Post 261 reads to me less like a reads list and more mimicking what has been posted so far this game.

then perhaps you should work on your reading skills?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah aphix that's dumb.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm content just pointing out how awful your logic is right now.

[Anatole Kuragin]

The part where you suspect me for that idiotic reaction test that she probably just bullshitted about being a reaction test because it was a) a slip or b) a town mistake that she didn't want to admit to

[Anatole Kuragin]

it is bewildering to me that anyone thinks that any useful information could come from such a pointless reaction test

[Anatole Kuragin]

no wonder you don't win as town

[Anatole Kuragin]

Just because I'm not posting doesn't mean I don't have an elaborate collage of players and their avatars hung around my apartment with various colors of strings indicating their potential connections and alignments or that I'm not rocking back and forth in my chair at work 9 hours a day mumbling to myself "who is scum... who is scum... who is scum..."

[Anatole Kuragin]

Anatole seems solely focused on KB right now. I would like to see his input on some of the other players.

So why didn't you just ask me what I thought of any particular player instead of this comment that doesn't directly request anything or give any of your actual thoughts on any part of the game?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I think this guy is probably scum.

VOTE: Randommidget

[Anatole Kuragin]

Will you follow me, men of Gondor?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Sorry guys been mourning.

I'll pause the DL if you want until I send out prods/get all VCs current.

No problem dude!

[Anatole Kuragin]

Can you elaborate on what you find scummy about my walrus friend?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Please can someone say if their is a reason for voting me apart from not scumhunting, because I can't defend that. I admitted it.
And I am voting with reasons. I think the person who I am voting is scum.

Your posts seem hesitant to really commit - you're going after lurkers and easy targets.

[Anatole Kuragin]

What a fortuitous event!

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah but my logic tends to lead to lynching scum and yours advocates lynching lurkers and the other biggest lynch besides yourself. A self-preservation motive fits there.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah but my logic tends to lead to lynching scum and yours advocates lynching lurkers and the other biggest lynch besides yourself.

this is a dumb statement

[Anatole Kuragin]

Majiffy, your reads list seems to be missing people.

some players are more null than others

[Anatole Kuragin]

UNVOTE: midget

[Anatole Kuragin]

There's definitely something to the Reinoe, Krystal Bald, Midget triangle but I can't put my finger on it!

[Anatole Kuragin]

I don't know which of the three I am suspicious of. I don't know if they're bad or

bad

.

[Anatole Kuragin]

There's kind of a difference between nearly being strung up and just giving up on doing anything, and not doing anything the entire game. random's version is specifically scummy, Gaiden's is anti-town at worst.

If random was giving up as scum wouldn't he have self voted to deny town info and implicate people off the wagon?

How often does scum actually do that?

[Anatole Kuragin]

There's kind of a difference between nearly being strung up and just giving up on doing anything, and not doing anything the entire game. random's version is specifically scummy, Gaiden's is anti-town at worst.

If random was giving up as scum wouldn't he have self voted to deny town info and implicate people off the wagon?

How often does scum actually do that?

I've seen it happen several times but not in any games I've been directly involved with.

So you suggested if he was scum he would do something you've literally never experienced scum doing in one of your games.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Random, do you think you are being more careful with your votes now than when you are playing as town?

[Anatole Kuragin]

And that determines your views on actions that you wholeheartedly

expect

scum to make?

[Anatole Kuragin]

It seems like you were implying that's the only valid option if he was scum.

If random was giving up as scum

wouldn't he have self voted

to deny town info and implicate people off the wagon?

[Anatole Kuragin]

The one time I have EVER seen scum lynch himself it was a very experienced player. It's weird you would expect a newer player who has like 4 completed games and doesn't seem to be active in discussions to make that call without being coached.

[Anatole Kuragin]

you have 18 games finished on your wiki. random has like 4-6 games finished with a cursory glance at his posts and is not active in discussions.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Random, do you think you are being more careful with your votes now than when you are playing as town?

[Anatole Kuragin]

are all the anime people actually one slot?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I seriously don't understand this. There are at least two scum on my wagon. I think they are outside fluminator, alchemist and ankamius (if they are voting me). Also matsumi is probably scum if that was a hammer.

How do you know there are at least two scum on your wagon?

WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR

[Anatole Kuragin]

Flum are you scum bro?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I had no idea it was that close to lynch. I'm suspicious of all the anime people

[Anatole Kuragin]

I think this guy is probably scum.

VOTE: Randommidget

Lol, I think this may have actually been the hammer.

[Anatole Kuragin]

3 days ago

[Anatole Kuragin]

if randomidget flips scum, I'm still voting you tomorrow probs

[Anatole Kuragin]

that's the first time I've ever been accused of being observant

[Anatole Kuragin]

VOTE: Matsumi Sisters

[Anatole Kuragin]

UNVOTE: matsumi

[Anatole Kuragin]

Waiting for a claim.

[Anatole Kuragin]

What's the difference to you?

[Anatole Kuragin]

full claim now, matsumi

[Anatole Kuragin]

VOTE: matsumi

[Anatole Kuragin]

risk vs. reward

possible scum lynch, with the risk of potentially lynching a 1-shot vig with awful judgment and no confirmed second kill. I'll take the chance

[Anatole Kuragin]

seriously what the fuck were you thinking with that shot

[Anatole Kuragin]

should be L-2 since she unvoted but I have been wrong before

[Anatole Kuragin]

shhh flum

[Anatole Kuragin]

Oh wait Matsumi unvoted.

Unvote.

We are NOT lynching Matsumi today, we're going to let her live and then if there aren't two shots tomorrow we can just lynch her then.
Seriously this is like kindergarten-level stuff guys.
Gotta grab rent money & stuff but I'll be back in a couple hours. If Matsumi is dead when I get back I'm gonna be pissed.

what

[Anatole Kuragin]

I can't decide which I want to lynch more

[Anatole Kuragin]

Worst case scenario, we lynch a vig who would be killing another PR if we don't.

[Anatole Kuragin]

yall should probably retire that hydra too

[Anatole Kuragin]

or at least not intentionally continue posting outside it

[Anatole Kuragin]

"an extra suspect" like a cop?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I do my best pipeline-building while smoking pot, get this conservative propaganda out of here pls

[Anatole Kuragin]

maybe if you want out of the game that bad you should replace instead of acting this way, which, as a scum gambit is ineffective and as town is annoying and childish

[Anatole Kuragin]

if you're trying to quit playing mafia altogether what does it matter?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Your piece couldn't decide if it was a review, a synopsis, or a report and it's not clear who its intended audience is. Entire sentences were plagiarized from Wikipedia. Considering you also posted this review on a furry forum two years ago and it's not even fresh - it was a complete waste of time for me to read. D+

[Anatole Kuragin]

I thought Reinoe was just being creative and buried amid the drivel would be actual reads in the form of metaphor, but it's just literally a 6th grade level report on Ghostbusters.

[Anatole Kuragin]

If anything Flumminator's like super town for still wanting to do stuff and scumhunt amidst the town apathy driven by reinoe and co.
- Kuro.

Now that is an interesting false accusation I'd like to see you support. How am I driving town apathy and who are the "co"?

By just trolling and posting irrelevant stuff instead of doing actual work related to the game, in hopes that ppl get tired of it and wait it out until deadline so you can speedlynch me as compromise lynch, or, hoping town will get tired of listening to your rambling and decide to just lynch me.
- Kuro

My posts criticizing Reinoe's contribution is directly opposed to what you're accusing me of.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Criticizing his writings rather than his contribution? You gotta be kidding me.

a) he is shamed into stopping

or

b) he starts actually delivering humorous trolls

either way I'm working for the greater good

[Anatole Kuragin]

lol, why don't you just vig me like you did the cop?

[Anatole Kuragin]

sorry, that actually was border-line bullying

[Anatole Kuragin]

@Mod: Replace me out of the hydra.

lulz. What makes you think the mod gives a damn about this game?

Pretty sure NS has been dealing with RL stuff lately and not just choosing to ignore the game.

[Anatole Kuragin]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i just remember him saying something about a funeral

[Anatole Kuragin]

wow that sucks.

ANARCHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anatole Kuragin]

I think we should lynch matsumi still.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I would lynch aphix too

[Anatole Kuragin]

Matsumi needs to shoot Doublade tonight. No excuses. If Doublade doesn't die, Matsumi is scum.
Majiffy continues to be obvious scum. If anyone else wants to start a wagon there I'll move our vote over in a heartbeat, but we can't really afford to push a wagon by ourselves when the two biggest wagons are the claimed vig and someone I'm 9999% sure is town (reinoe).

why is jiffster obvious scum?

[Anatole Kuragin]

hydra dissonance

[Anatole Kuragin]

Not that I'd be opposed to lynching her anyways, to be clear. Just not for that.

[Anatole Kuragin]

but katsumoo twins has four whole votes

[Anatole Kuragin]

Alright so we have one camp that wants to lynch Kastumoto because of the awful claim, general scummy behavior, etc.

And one camp that won't lynch her because "she's conftown tomorrow" (even though that's not remotely true)

For the sake of this town, I will suggest that we compromise and go back to the Krystal Bald wagon.

VOTE: Krystal Bald

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's a compromise because we still get to lynch a scummy annoying dissonate hydra and you guys get to see your trust in the hirohito twins mature to fully bite you in the ass.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Your reasoning is awful. You're saying she'll be conftown or confscum tomorrow. Ten seconds using your brain you should be able to come up with at least one scenario where that would not be the case.

[Anatole Kuragin]

yeah

[Anatole Kuragin]

it doesn't add up. scum don't have to make a shitty kill, they just have to put forth enough doubt that we WIFOM over whether they did or not

[Anatole Kuragin]

But if matsumi IS telling the truth, we're going to have another dead PR at her hands too. I don't see the risk paying off

[Anatole Kuragin]

can you just tell me

[Anatole Kuragin]

that actually convinced you alch?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Flum your posting looks really bad. the only reason I'm not voting you is you seem to be inexperienced. just getting that out in the open

[Anatole Kuragin]

More likely to make stupid posts as town.

[Anatole Kuragin]

So you are giving them a pass after 5 months of joining?
i wish people were that kind to me.
I think i want you dead now Anatole
VOTE: Anatole Kuragin

speaking of stupid posts

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'd probably vote reinoe at this point

[Anatole Kuragin]

Do you always ask such inane, leading questions?

I'd be ok with a lynch on half the people in this game at this point for day one.

[Anatole Kuragin]

He seems to think Majiffy is town. The town seems to be leaning Majiffy's direction and with the Krystal wagon not gaining any traction, it seems like he is moving to the second most likely wagon that's not Majiffy.

Ok, so can we now hear your theories on why I'd like to lynch Aphix or Matsumi?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Saying a player is protecting another player usually indicates that you think they are a scumteam.

[Anatole Kuragin]

My post didn't have the tone I intended. I see why you thought that. I'll keep that in mind for future games.
(But seriously, are you scum with Majiffy )

No, and if it's between players I'm not sure about, I'd rather keep strong players alive longer than noobs/bads. It's worth the risk that it's a strong player playing scum I think.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Here's a series of posts I caught in Reinoe's ISO.

Gaiden's is anti-town at worst.

Ugh. I'm gonna have to agree with this after seeing post 500 and 503. Scum are never as sloppy and terrible as Gaiden.

VOTE: Matsumi


I'm just gonna troll for the rest of this DP because Alchemist, Matsumi, Majiffy are the obvious scum team.

btw, I'm really pissed that our Vig didn't shoot either Matsumi or Gaiden yesterday. You suck vig. Stop being lazy.

Reinoe says he thinks Gaiden is town on D1 and going into D2, but thinks Gaiden should have been vigged N1.

Vote: Reinoe

Playing devil's advocate here but - it's often encouraged to shoot VIish players they aren't scumreading because they're inherently difficult to read, or are going to be given "too scummy to be scum" credit and not lynched. They're good vig targets because town doesn't lose too much with their death and we don't waste time debating lynching them.

[Anatole Kuragin]

No, but someone in the same game as lots of other people who might suggest that would.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Because she's a little sea creature pokemon thing. Look at the avatar.

[Anatole Kuragin]

No, but someone in the same game as lots of other people who might suggest that would.

Ok. I still think it's illogical for someone to clear a player as town, but still want them vigged. Then again, it's Reinoe we're talking about.

Incidentally, if Majiffy turns out to be scum (which seems very likely at this point), there's a good chance Reinoe is town. Looked back and noticed Matsumi and Majiffy both went after Reinoe. If Matsumi and Majiffy are scum together, I don't think they'd both try to bus the 3rd scum.

Unvote
Vote Majiffy

Why are you trying to do associations and VCA with no scum flip?

[Anatole Kuragin]

what is the over/under on lynching flum in the next day and a half

[Anatole Kuragin]

Good job pulling it out flum/caled.