Micro 387: Double Day Unlimited (GAME OVER)

[TheAdrienC]

I'm leaning more Xay than you. His tunneling of Oka just isn't setting right with me.

[Xayzeck]

Are you saying votes on me are meh (and votes on NM are dumb) of that the votes I have MADE are meh and the votes NM have made are dumb? If the former, that means you have a townread on NM and I would like to hear about it if you do. Also, your read on droog also flipped. What caused that?

I'm saying NM's vote isn't the best.

Yes I have a townread on NM, I thought I established that long ago.

droog was scum for bad case, but he could be town just because he's trying to push the game forward.

What do you want to know about NM? Rather, why do you scumread him again? For the hammer? Because if you do that's kinda dumb.

[Xayzeck]

Xay's tunnel on Oka is strange to me. He won't comment to any of my specified questions, and I don't recall a smoking gun case from him yet he insists Oka is pratically conf-scum.

As scum, that would make no sense at all, would it.

I mean, hold a tunnel and if it somehow gets through then that townflip's gonna mess me up, right?

If you're arguing from the "he doesn't need to take a strong stance on others", then maybe, but town can tunnel just as much as scum can tunnel.

I'm confident in Okascum, because I can read Oka fairly well. If nothing else, lynch him before lylo, at LEAST. He should get nowhere close to lylo.

And if I have ignored your questions, sorry, but I'm sure I've ignored plenty of others too.

[OkaPoka]

I don't see a case by Xay one me other than he doesn't want me near endgame?

[OkaPoka]

on*

[droog]

droog was scum for bad case

?LL??????

please explain i do not remember this

[droog]

As scum, that would make no sense at all, would it.

I mean, hold a tunnel and if it somehow gets through then that townflip's gonna mess me up, right?

idr prohawk accusing your action of being scummy
i interpreted prohawk accusing scum motive

which... your argument is useless for
please explain why your actions are town motivated and not scum motivated

[droog]

Here is the problem I have.

Scum tends to townhunt more than scumhunt.

Town tends to scumhunt rather than townhunt.

You are townhunting like scum.

not sure what this means when scum doesnt have anything to hunt for in this setup

[OkaPoka]

Scum pretend to be helpful by looking out for town a lot of times.

[Xayzeck]

350 Says rosey town
382 Prohawk makes a good point, Oka doesn't address it. He votes Prohawk for jumping off the wagon, which is ok, and he backs up his ZZZX vote by "you voted him too" which makes absolutely no sense. Also doesn't answer the question at all, so his answer is almost completely unrelated. Logically for town you scumhunt on the townwagons, why isn't he doing that here? Because his buddy is on it? Maybe.
400 Around here is where I bring up Okameta, and I only do so because I've played with him before. Typically, he's more aggro and upbeat as town, and more lazy and quiet as scum. Logically, you'd try to emulate your town meta, and I'd imagine that's why so many people commented about his overaggroness early game, probably him overcompensating. Since then though, I'm sure most of you have noticed his play has died down to just about only defending himself and just lurking about. There are some pretty stark differences between his town and scum meta, and here's the big point: As town, he'd bloody love it. If anybody doubts him, AND they're using a metatell on him as town, he knows to god that logically he should be read as town, and if he isn't, then whoever is metatelling him is probably twisting. He knows I know his meta fairly well, and I can easily back this up with some of his games, hell I'm sure he's mentioned them too in this game. So once I bring up meta, his immediate reaction is to deny metatells, and sell them off as useless or unreliable, because he knows it won't work in his favour. TownOka may do the same, but he'd welcome it if anything. ScumOka will deny the hell out of it.
432 434 440 442 444 445 447 449 451 All perfect examples of his play dying out, lots of fluff, lots of oneliners, lots of half assing. Also the way he pulls of Hawk, that's not town. 455 Who in the world would just unvote they're scumread and say "ok you win you're town"? Every post before that doesn't look like he went through much or if not any convincing, he just backed off for no clear reason.
457 458 Read flip! "I want to lynch him even if he isn't scum" What's wrong with that? I recall a ton of ZZZX votes, saying you want to lynch him, and I'm sure as hell none of you could confidently say he was scum or town, you were all just voting because he lurked. This is perfectly fine, scummy to some, but it's amazing how you blew it up to the top of your scumlist, and what's this...
459 You literally just started scumreading her and then wanted to 1v1. What town does this? Let go of their scumread so easily, pick one up so quickly, and 1v1 over a small stance? This is not town, this is scum just doing whatever it can to get another lynch happening.
461 463 466 468 more fluff and uselessness
469 yay for naked votes.
474 485 a little more fluff
524 Again, he still insist on the 1v1. And nothing else but this, and fluff/lowcontent posts.
554 FSO is someone else who played in a game both Oka and I were in. This game, Oka has made references to players and past games we had, it bothers me the hell out. It counts as meta, and it's so disturbing, it's like early game he did this a bunch, maybe because he had that aggro start and wanted me to do meta to townread him.



I'm lazy, lunch is here.

[droog]

Are scum in the active group or the lurking group?

i don't lurkers.

waiting for xay to post.

You don't what lurkers?

oops.

I don't

like

lurkers

You didn't answer his question

i dont like nm here
this is when he was voting oka
(he voted everyone and unvoted as he got townreads
which itself i dont like)

instead of saying 'you didnt answer prohawks question' first
he says 'you dont what lurkers'
which draws the exchange out and makes oka look a lot scummier

[Xayzeck]

droog was scum for bad case

?LL??????

please explain i do not remember this

It was the adrien case that you did and asked me to comment on and I did and you never replied

[droog]

xay looks more town for that case

pedit to what did i not reply

[Xayzeck]

As scum, that would make no sense at all, would it.

I mean, hold a tunnel and if it somehow gets through then that townflip's gonna mess me up, right?

idr prohawk accusing your action of being scummy
i interpreted prohawk accusing scum motive

which... your argument is useless for
please explain why your actions are town motivated and not scum motivated

Ive got a scumread im confident in, but nobody supports it, so im holding on to it hard so it doesn't die and scum doesn't escape

Town motivation right there

[Xayzeck]

xay do you still think my case on adrien is crap

Well.....

Him confusing the points is scummy? No. Him pointing it out is protown? Do you disagree with that? Additional information is always good, so I agree that it helps town knowing that they do not have daytalk. Is it more likely scum notice minute details? Yes. Both of these are valid points.

Can you quote where you explicitly asked for his opinion on Oka?

How is it obvious manipulation by replying to your opinion that calling out the no daytalk = scummy?

The rest I will check the real posts myself, but time, it's late, exams to tomorrow

tl;dr yeah it's pretty crap idek why you are so confident, save for that last chunk that has some validity. maybe.

[droog]

@713: not sure thats something i do believe, but its something i could believe
will think abotu ti as i finish rereading (not all tonight)

[droog]

@714:

third question first (the crux of my case)
i told him that noticing daytalk was more likely if he was scum
he then went on about how it was pro-town

all scum would notice no daytalk
not every townie would
this is always true and instead of agreeing he argued against something i never said

[droog]

Not a fan on the "vote everyone" strategy by Oka as with only a five person needed for an opening lynch and makes a mislynch very easy for the scum to achieve,


this is a really watery, easy thing to condemn. I don't like it.

Adrien, please explain your oka read, and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread

in the same poist i said scum notice no daytalk

he then ignored this question and focused on the daytalk thing

[droog]

the rest is covered in my case

[OkaPoka]

What is so bad about everyone?

[droog]

?

[OkaPoka]

Voting. Sorry im really tired right now

[TheAdrienC]

Voting. Sorry im really tired right now

I explained why voting everyone is bad right here.

Not a fan on the "vote everyone" strategy by Oka as with only a five person needed for an opening lynch and makes a mislynch very easy for the scum to achieve, which is why I don't like NotMafia going along with it a whole lot less. You essentially put everyone at L-3 and even if both of you were town, imagine one other townsperson puts a random vote up, you have them at L-2 with what I assume is two scums running around (numbers and the sample Role PMs saying "your PARTNER is..." as clues for that) is a very dangerous thing to do. So shame on both of you, a little more bad for NM than Oka.

[TheAdrienC]

And Xay, that NM putting a second vote on EVERYONE and putting EVERYONE at L-3 during the RVS, is a huge factor in my vote as well as the hammer. He was a factor in both mislynches.

[Not_Mafia]

What's the significance of L-3?