Mafia 64: The New "C9" - Game over!

[Glork]

I think he's viewing it from alberts perspective. Albert said "why would

I

".

Winner.
Albert was clearly talking from "AlbertTown"s perspective, and I was responding in kind. The way I interpreted it, Albert was asking why a pro-town new/intermediate player would not just follow a more experienced player. I was answering that question.



AE, you know you like it when I play rough with you.
(And yes, I'm voting Shteven right now.)

[Yosarian2]

Well, from Albert's perspective, the answer would be that if he's town he should say his own thoughts so that we can figure out he's town; if he's scum, he might avoid posting his own thoughts so we can't figure out he's scum and so he can avoid giving hints about his scum partners.

ANd yeah, I could see a possible Albert-Glork connection here. Then again, I could see connections between any of my top 3-4 suspects and I'm sure they're not all scum together.

Who are your top 3-4 suspects?

Albert, Guardian, Glork, and perhaps you. I've noticed so many different possible links between all of you that I'm just confused now.

[Glork]

Huh. Could you explain those links Yos? My interest has been piqued.

[AutumnEvenings]

AE- Did you put that on purpose or did you really not know?

Put what on purpose?

[Guardian]

Ok, I took an hour or two to think. As others pointed out, TCS has been doing this all game... driving wagons for no reason is just bad play.

I can't agree more with Glork on Albert. Fishing for claims is horrible for the town. Albert, like I said earlier, is an appealing play for the town if only because he has already claimed vanilla.

Schteven could, as I noticed earlier, easily be scum.

AE, I am extremely confused about what good play is for town. I had thought it was being very, very town (which got me, as vanilla, night killed in another forum game ), then in another game MeMe had me kind of convinced that it was being hard to read, then here people attack me for changing my behavior to follow MeMe's suggestions. I really need to think this over. Sorry that I'm undecided on this, that's just where my thoughts are right now.

TCS I find very suspicious, but I don't at this point feel like I want him to be lynched today. Schteven I could see being "the play". Albert I have little qualms about because he made an unforced vanilla townie claim earlier, he is not contributing much to the town, and has given us many reasons to think we are scum.

unvote vote: Albert

seems right, then. I could reconsider this and like a Schteven lynch better.

[YogurtBandit]

Huh. Could you explain those links Yos? My interest has been piqued.

Piqued? Glork confuses me. Second time I've had to ask a question, So i've come to this discovery.

Glorks Mind > Yogurts Mind



AE- The beats the crap out of me thing on your vote count.

[AutumnEvenings]

Perhaps because he was trying to give him incentive to post, as opposed to incentive to lurk and/or not contribute?

That's the point, though; if Albert is scum, he might want to lurker so as to not give himself away, but if he's town that argument dosn't make sense.

Well yes, but you don't say to scum "you should do X so we can catch you." You try to make them do X in other ways.

[YogurtBandit]

3 on Guardian (BM, Hacker, Albert)
5 on Albert (N9V, Shteven, Autumn, Y2, Guardian)
2 on TCS: Yogurt, InHim,
1 on Yogurt (BeanBagBoy)
1 on NV9 (MrBuddyLee)
1 on BattleMage (Johhan)
1 on Shteven (Glork)

No vote: TCS( I think ) Billy Jack HJ

[Yosarian2]

Huh. Could you explain those links Yos? My interest has been piqued.

Well, let me just mention a few of them, since you ask:

First, Glork attacked MBL for "night choice speculation", and then contradicted himself later. Notable because, in this case, night choice speculation seems to make Albert look bad, because of that odd early post Albert made on the subject.

Glork defended Guardian pretty hardcore early in the game.

Some interesting interactions between Glork and Albert; specifically, Glork FOS's him, jumps on and then quickly off Albert bandwagon, ect.

Guardian says Yogurt "looks pro-town".

Yogurt defended Guardian, with a wierd post that semi-attacks me for the way I attacked Guardian

Wierd two-way back and fourth conversation between Albert and Yogurt

And some other things I can't remember offhand. Not sure what to make of all that, but it's stuff I'll keep in mind once I find out the alignment of soem of those people.

[AutumnEvenings]

AE, you know you like it when I play rough with you.

Oh, I know. I'm saying you're not nearly rough enough for the likes of me. :leer:

(And yes, I'm voting Shteven right now.)

Yep, I caught that in my post 539.

AE- The beats the crap out of me thing on your vote count.

No, I really had left him out accidentally. (I was going off of Lee's last count, which had Shteven at the top since he had the most votes, but now everyone but Glork is off him, so I was going to put him at the bottom and I thought I had, but I obviously hadn't.)

Guardian... *sigh* Well, I die as vanilla all the time. Sometimes I draw kills on purpose, sometimes I get killed for being too close to the answers or whatever. When I first started playing (elsewhere), I thought all vanillas should try to draw kills from power roles. Now I think that's too simple, as some players are worth more than a power-role, honestly. (I'm not such a player, except if the only other players are no good. :p) I guess...well, this is more theory. Suffice it to say, I think town should contribute as best as they're able. For me, that means hunting down the scum wherever you can find them, as that's the whole point of the game. *shrug*

[Yosarian2]

Perhaps because he was trying to give him incentive to post, as opposed to incentive to lurk and/or not contribute?

That's the point, though; if Albert is scum, he might want to lurker so as to not give himself away, but if he's town that argument dosn't make sense.

Well yes, but you don't say to scum "you should do X so we can catch you." You try to make them do X in other ways.

heh...I tend to go with the more direct method, namely "Do X so we can figure out if you're scum, or else if you don't do X I'll just assume you're scum and lynch you anyway because X is a pro-town thing to do."

[YogurtBandit]

Perhaps because he was trying to give him incentive to post, as opposed to incentive to lurk and/or not contribute?

That's the point, though; if Albert is scum, he might want to lurker so as to not give himself away, but if he's town that argument dosn't make sense.

Well yes, but you don't say to scum "you should do X so we can catch you." You try to make them do X in other ways.

heh...I tend to go with the more direct method, namely "Do X so we can figure out if you're scum, or else if you don't do X I'll just assume you're scum and lynch you anyway because X is a pro-town thing to do."

So if They DO x They're scum, but if they dont they get Lynched because its really protown?

[Yosarian2]

Not quite. It's easier to catch scum if they have to pretend to actually scumhunt, it makes it a lot easier for them to make a mistake and so on, wheras on the other hand if a townie is scumhunting it tends to help the town.

So basically, if Albert is town, I want to pressure him to scumhunt rather then to just follow Glork, because that's better for the town. And if Albert is scum I want to either pressure him to scumhunt so he's more likely to make a mistake and get caught or give away his scumbuddies, or else if he's scum I wouldn't mind just lynching him for not scumhunting.

[AutumnEvenings]

heh...I tend to go with the more direct method, namely "Do X so we can figure out if you're scum, or else if you don't do X I'll just assume you're scum and lynch you anyway because X is a pro-town thing to do."

Hahaha. That's why you're a man and I'm a woman.

In all seriousness, I've noticed a lot of people don't like lynching lurkers around here, and I'd really rather people just posted than to have to argue that stuff again so...

But yes, your method would work, but only if the threat was real. Going off of your sig, you and I may be of similar dispositions. Which makes two...

[YogurtBandit]

I usually use a rule when it come to lurkers. If they have a decent amount of posts (In this game, probably 20) They really are lurkers and thats where NAL comes in. However, if less, they should be prodded, then replaced as needed.

[LoudmouthLee]

Jesus Christ. (sorry!)

That's 6 pages in a half a day? Vote count upcoming.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll try to post something before monday.

[YogurtBandit]

Jesus Christ. (sorry!)

That's 6 pages in a half a day? Vote count upcoming.

I think we had one by AE a couple pages back if you want to go by that.

[LoudmouthLee]

Jesus Christ. (sorry!)

That's 6 pages in a half a day? Vote count upcoming.

I think we had one by AE a couple pages back if you want to go by that.

I don't. I go by my (or PJs last count)

Vote Count:

Albert B. Rampage- 5 (~N9V~, Shteven, AutumnEvenings, Yosarian2, Guardian)
Guardian- 4 (BattleMage, TCS, HackerHuck, Albert B. Rampage)
TCS- 2 (YogurtBandit, inHimshallibe)
YogurtBandit- 2 (BeanBagBoy, Jack)
Shteven- 1 (Glork)
~N9V~- 1 (MBL)
BattleMage- 1 (Johhan)

Not voting (2): HungryJoe, Billy Twilight

10 to lynch.

[LoudmouthLee]

As of this post, Mastermind of Sin replaces ~N9V~

[Mastermind of Sin]

I am just that awesome.

[inHimshallibe]

I should also point out that I have made D1 policy lynches on terrible players before. In Normal 51, I pushed (and got) a policy lynch on a player who insisted on making two-word posts and not contributing. Though he turned out to be pro-town, we won the game eventually anyway. Even if you are pro-town, Albert, I will have

zero

qualms about lynching you. The way I see it, regardless of your alignment, your presence is a detriment to the town. If you're scum, all the better. If not, I'll get over it rather quickly and move on with the game.



...that's not to say that Shteven is not off the hot seat, though. I'm still waiting to hear from him.

Is it just me, or did Glork just defend himself against an invisible accuser?

Hmmm.

[MrBuddyLee]

Wow, awesome.

unvote

[inHimshallibe]

See above, TCS. I am frustrated with the fact that

MULTIPLE players

insist on behaving deliberately scummy. If one, *maybe* two players were fishing for reactions by doing something unorthodox, that'd be fine. But the fact that several players are doing whatever the heck they want is making it extraordinarily difficult for me to figure out which ones (if any) among them are scum.

I see scummy play, I go after scummy play. I see deliberately scummy play, I go after it harder. I see deliberately scummy play from like four different people, I get angry.

So there you have it. Glork's attitude towards this game in a nutshell.

It has been a while since I've played with this guy - has he been on a bad waffling streak of late?

[MrBuddyLee]

I think he's got the yips.