Micro 392: The Assassin has regained control of the village!

[Mantisdreamz]

Don't Lynch clusk.

k~

[Quinoa]

Quinoa, why did you sign up for this game? Were you meaning to play? Are you still meaning to play? If you have all afternoon, do some catchups to enable me to read your alignment.

i am but i have a tendency to start out extremely slow D1 and not wake up until the second game day, it's not intentional

i will look over this game today but no promises

[Nikanor]

intentional VI/troll play. (Is there a better term for this? I don't want to insult people with a different playstyle, but I want to be able to refer to it succinctly.)

Disingenuous is a good word.

@naz: 401 is pretty inane yeah, i don't get where he's coming from with the "they are opposed on an argument so they must be together" bit.

[Quinoa]

Why would tomorrow be MYLO if it's 2 vs. 5 and this is Nightless (assuming today's shot plus Clusk modkill)?

[Quinoa]

Does it look like town-headbutting-town, scum leanings anywhere? Something? Because I'm currently confused as to why there's any confusion. I feel like I've been clear.

the exchanges are kind of 1 vs. 1 and reading them seems incessantly demotivating

[Nikanor]

Why would tomorrow be MYLO if it's 2 vs. 5 and this is Nightless (assuming today's shot plus Clusk modkill)?

we can actually lose tonight, if we lynch town, clusk is town and the kingmaker kings wrong.

[Quinoa]

there's a night where scum have a nightkill? i thought this was nightless

[Quinoa]

[Mantisdreamz]

Starting where, mantis?

well i've been looking at gray's and sab's isos. trying to make sense of their stances.. and scripten joined in at one point. so the 3 of them are of interest.


why do you think sos scum?

[GrayFoxxxx]

I think mantis doesn't know who to Lynch and he doesn't want to get pressured if he kills a town.

Clusk would be his safest bet but he would look more scum than ever if he does Lynch him.

[GrayFoxxxx]

there's a night where scum have a nightkill? i thought this was nightless

This post doesn't sit well with me.

[Mantisdreamz]

I think mantis doesn't know who to Lynch and he doesn't want to get pressured if he kills a town.

this is true
*she

[Nazarene]

@naz: 401 is pretty inane yeah, i don't get where he's coming from with the "they are opposed on an argument so they must be together" bit.

I get that part more than anything else in his post. You often see scum on different sides of arguments without pushing. But how do you feel about his switch from gf scum to me+sabbath? While thinking sabbath was town before?

I'm afraid it means seeing the sabbath mislynch.

I'm making myself crazy right now.

[Quinoa]

okay well if tomorrow's MYLO assuming you shoot town (and Clusk fliips town), then

shooting me is a safe and not-to-be ridiculed shot now. not tomorrow, but now.

This post doesn't sit well with me.

I've only played Kingmaker once, many months ago, and also the ruleset and Aronis's game description wasn't clear about how Kingmakers work. Anyways, I won't debate this further as the game's more important anyways.

[Quinoa]

if you think whomever is the kingmaker tomorrow will shoot me, that is. I'd put that at 97% probability

[Nazarene]

Starting where, mantis?

well i've been looking at gray's and sab's isos. trying to make sense of their stances.. and scripten joined in at one point. so the 3 of them are of interest.


why do you think sos scum?

I don't have a real case right here, but I'll list things off the top of my head, possibly adding later.

1. A too strong scumread on nik and sudden abandonment of the read when it became convenient to do so.
2. A too strong townread on me that they refused to explain and abandoent of the read soon after.
3. A scumread on GF that was too strong for the reasoning presented.
4. The way scripten vs gray was handled, reinforcing scripten's argument without actually getting involved; letting scripten do the butcherwork.

There's more.

But first thing I'm foing now, is a scripten reread. Something is off.-Tier

[Nazarene]

Quinoa let's not shoot you, okay. Just play.

[Nazarene]

Script, why do you read gray vs sabbath as townvtown?

Scripten doesn't seem like a good shot. I take back him not being buddies with sabbath, though.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I think mantis doesn't know who to Lynch and he doesn't want to get pressured if he kills a town.

this is true
*she

Shit, sorry.

[Scripten]

Script, why do you read gray vs sabbath as townvtown?

I don't. I read the Myself vs. Grayfoxxxx as town v town. You even mentioned what I had noticed a few posts back, where you said that SoS had started it but backed off when GF and I started going at each other. My tentative SoS+Naz scumteam read came from you doing something pretty similar to GF, by coming in from the sidelines to reignite the argument a few times.

[Nazarene]

Aha. Why do you read gray as town?

Can you quote the posts you see as reigniting the argument in a spoiler?

[Scripten]

Spoiler: Roughly through these posts

@Grayfox:

Please explain with reference to particular posts how Scripten flip-flopped. I still see no inconsistency.

@SABBATH:

Your Grayfox read came after our charges of static reads, if I remember correctly.

And if mantis just killed someone, then he would be quicklynched tomorrow.


mantis, convince this Head that you are town and not scum coasting and avoiding committing to reads so that you will not be held accountable for the execution tomorrow.


-A

Scripten is not looking very town

Just pointing out that tomorrow could be MyLo if both today's shot and clusk flip town. I highly recommend not shooting clusk, though. That will give us close to zero information to work off.

Mantis, stop being lazy please thx
-Tier

Script, come out and play.

How do you view grayfoxxxx's changing reads?
Why do you take issue at him attacking the people who attack him?
How do you feel about him antagonising people?
Do you think him misrepping your and SoS's arguments is alignment indicative or indicative of bad reading comprehension?

Answer all, please.

P-edit: hey you posted here have this post in response
-Tier

I've found the case on gray to be particularly boring and based on misunderstandings more than anything, but I'll read it thoroughly now.
Thoughts on max? mantis? Heel while you're at it just gimme all your reads

Sooooo...I have read through a Scripten-Grayfoxxx-Sabbath ISO, focusing on the former two.
It seems the fundamental disconnect is to be blamed on......
......................
-snip-
For this post:
-snip-
This is false! And causes all the confusion to follow. For instance this confusion, that I totally feel.
-snip-
Wait wait wait. How did what you said translate to what Scripten said???? "Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read." I dont see it. So this really means "He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence." I call B.S. Someone else please give me some insight.[/i][/b]

and this, which is not confusion, but how matters truly have gone:

Now you both are saying that quote somehow meant I was acting scummy, and trying to frame script as my partner. HOW HOW HOW

Hopefully having cleared confusion, I'll respond to this.

1) You said that if Naz flips scum, then you would suspect me as being their partner.

2) This is suspicious because you were town reading me, so you are simultaneously reading me as likely to be town and likely to be scum. That's really inconsistent and suggests that you may be scummy.

You somehow don't believe in associative reads on people you read as town. That's fine, but I do and max has already pointed out that he does as well. It's just a disclaimer: "

IF

Naz flips scum, I'm more likely to see scripten as scum as I see him now, because Naz's read on scripten looked fake." This doesn't mean: Naz and script are both scum. It just mean: I could see one as the partner of the other. It's not scummy to do this. It's just not.

Give my post a good read, scripten. Probably read it 3 times. And hopefully realise that what I pointed out is correct.

Also get totally ready to put me in your supaaarrr town category.

Focusing more on SoS now in this debate, getrekt.
-Tier[/quote]

Now gray, let them indeed reply.

Do you think they are scum together, pushing the same idea together? Who looks scummiest out of the two?

Gray can you please stop responding to scripten, since he is not listening, clearly.

Scripten, read my post 351. Now.

Uses meta way to strongly here. Makes me look at Script as poss. scum if Naz is scum.

Is NOT the same as

Greyfoxx is looking at Scripten as Nazarene's partner.

He only says 'makes me

look at

as

possible

scum' and '

if

Naz is scum'.
I even underlined the differences for you. Don't pretend they do not exist.

GF doesn't have any case on Scripten being scum except for one comment made Nazarene. And he still hasn't made any case on Scripten being scum except some OMGUS to being pressed on how the Sripten and Naz are connected in any other way.

He doesn't scumread scripten, so he doesn't need a case. He'll only reevaluate if I'm scum. Why'd you need a case for that?

In other news, I like the GF's response to my earlier question about the disconnect between what he chose to respond to, and the content in the posts.
something along the lines of "I can't help it if you think there's a disconnect" I think it's a pretty fair response, and I'm not going to press this matter further. There are too many misinterpretations at this point and most of them are probably based on my wordiness.

Are you just dropping one part of the accusation or the entire one?
-Tier

Egging on? I'm trying to fucking solve it, as you can see in 351. Read it, ffs.

I was reading Grayfoxxxx as scum for a while, since I couldn't see him genuinely misunderstanding me. With a reread, I can see where he would have been tripped up and we ended up butting heads, which is something I know I do a lot of, and almost exclusively with other townies.

I've found it helps to look at who's supporting each side and scan for scum in there.

[Nazarene]

I guess I see where you're coming from.

We'll deal with your read on us tomorrow, seeing even you are happiest with a sabbath shot now.
-Tier

[Scripten]

I'll definitely admit that he looks like the scummiest.

[Scripten]

And deadline is approaching fast. (I may not even be back by the time it passes.)

Meant to post those together. Hit the wrong button.