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Post Post #2350 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:03 am

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In post 2347, Jagged Appliance wrote:
In post 2342, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2338, Jagged Appliance wrote:@Wake,

This was the question:
Are there or are there not players in the game that would make sense as BBT's mason partner?

That's a yes or no answer.

You gave a name and then directly asked that person to confirm.


Well, yeah. I'm not going to lie. Members of Town don't lie or withhold information. Lynch all Liars.

What do you mean you're not going to lie? Who asked you to lie? The question was yes or no but instead you went hunting for another town PR. That's anti-town.


She asked me a question, so I answered it honestly. Knowing an answer of who I thought might be what but withholding that would be lying by omission.

That's ridiculous. :lol: I find it hilarious that you're upset about me answering a question hoenstly, yet you have no problem with the person asking me that very question. :giggle:
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Post Post #2351 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:05 am

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In post 2345, Jagged Appliance wrote:
In post 2336, Titus wrote:@Jagged, getting both you and HHT flips creates interesting scenarios

1) Both scum (HHT is trapped and must shoot his buddy), town was arguing over which scum to lynch.
2) HHT scum and JA town, votes can be analyzed in light of the flip. Who bussed who did not and why? Why were there so many counterwagons to HHT scum?
3) JA scum and HHT town, votes again can be analyzed in light of the flip. Who bussed? Who did not? Why? Why was HHT a persistent wagon as town?
4) Both are town, then we find out scum were pushing both lynches and proceed accordingly.

VCA is a big part of my game so I tend to do things like vote just to make wagons even.

You want a multilynch for info and you don't seem to have a very strong idea of what info you will gain judging by this post. You didn't even mention any names.


I didn't mention names because I'm not doing 3 irrelevant analyses to get the names you seek. There would be shit ton of information gathered here. Why does this bother you so much if you're a VT?
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Post Post #2352 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:05 am

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In post 2349, FakeGod wrote:
In post 2348, Wake1 wrote:
I am not apologizing for anything. I wasn't PR-hunting, and I certainly did not force BBT to claim. He had a choice in the matter.

I'll never apologize for doing what I'm supposed to be doing as Town, which is unraveling loose threads unto their natural conclusion.

Claim or die isn't a choice.

I see that you made your decision.

I will not try again.


I'm dismissing your facade, because it's getting old.

If BBT claimed Mason at L1 then that's what happens when you play Mafia.

If he claimed before L1, that's not my problem. Either way he had choices. That you are routinely butting heads with me and trying to keep me from doing what I'm supposed to do tells me that you're not a member of the Town. I want answers. You want to stifle them.
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Post Post #2353 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:15 am

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In post 2350, Wake1 wrote:
She asked me a question, so I answered it honestly. Knowing an answer of who I thought might be what but withholding that would be lying by omission.

That's ridiculous. :lol: I find it hilarious that you're upset about me answering a question hoenstly, yet you have no problem with the person asking me that very question. :giggle:

The question was yes or no. You answered a question that wasn't asked with an answer that does nothing to help town, only potentially helps scum. Witholding who you think is a PR is Pro-Town. Outing PRs is Anti-Town.

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I didn't mention names because I'm not doing 3 irrelevant analyses to get the names you seek. There would be shit ton of information gathered here. Why does this bother you so much if you're a VT?

I'm bothered by a multi-lynch.
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Post Post #2354 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:50 am

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@Titus:


In post 2336, Titus wrote:VCA is a big part of my game so I tend to do things like vote just to make wagons even.

Well, then, here you go:

In post 1186, Green Crayons wrote:
In post 1103, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.07

BlueBloodedToffee(6)
– TellTaleHeart, Flubbernugget, Csareo, Boonskiies, Doogal121, Wake88
Csareo(5)
– Omph, The Rufflig, Green Crayons, BlueBloodedToffee, massive
JaggedAppliance(1)
– Anatole Kuragin
Not Voting(1)
- JaggedAppliance[/area]

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If Csareo is town, BBT is town: TTH OR Doogal, Ruffling OR massive (OR maaaybe Omph -- I'm not digging his complete absence), and I feel like I should say Anatole OR Jagged, but I like their posting so it hurts me to say that

My "or" pairings in the town/town scenario do not necessarily exclude the other party, I just paired the players from each wagon who strike me as most suspicious in a town/town scenario based off of game memory of everyone's play.

The quoted vote count is basically what this game looked like for a disgusting length of time. If you are in fact town, then the two leading, deadlocked wagons -- which basically defined this game up until Omph was replaced by FG -- were town versus town. There is a VCA, minus a L-1 and hammer vote, to help you along your analysis.

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Speaking of VCA, and based solely on VCA theory, I'm inclined to believe that one of players not voting Csareo or BBT in the quoted VC is scum (Anatole or Jagged). Their lack of a position on the two leading wagons, one being definitely town and one probably town, gives them cred for not being on a mislynch, and for rising above a game bitterly divided on which townie to kill. Also, jumping onto one of the wagons would have brought some seriously harsh attention upon themselves, so they were very much stuck in being prevented from voting either Csareo or BBT.


Stepping away from VCA theory, I think Jagged's play looks town, and his slot looks town because of his predecessor GreyICE's particular actions. I set forth my reasons for this position in and , and I stand by them. I don't think a Jagged lynch is a good lynch.


In contrast, I did not care much for Anatole's ISO. I will note that I was quite comfortable with his posting as I was experiencing it live. But on reread, it looks a lot less town:
- Lots of posts, but they didn't actually contribute much. / Minimal scum hunting while maintaining an active presence.
- Used GreyICE's single poorly researched vote as his go-to suspicion as thousands (literally) of posts accumulated in the game.
- But Anatole appeared to agree, before GreyICE decided to escape the game, that GreyICE's bad vote looked actually like mistaken town -- and it was only when GreyICE had clearly retreated from the game that Anatole used the bad vote to his full advantage to label the slot as scum.


I was going to wait until Anatole's response to my to vote him, but that was because I wasn't going to talk through the problems I had with his play upon the ISO reread until then. But because I have set forth those reasons above, and because I have no additional reason to wait, I'll VOTE: Anatole.
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Post Post #2355 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:53 am

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I've been making long posts again.


Sorry.
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Post Post #2356 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:18 am

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In post 2334, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2327, Jagged Appliance wrote:Wake, you shouldn't be trying to out the other mason. This is exactly the kind of anti-town play we were talking about.

@Titus, Who would be easier to read with my lynch?


Why are you ignoring the fact that TTH asked me directly who I suspected the other Mason was?


I did no such thing.
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Post Post #2357 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:22 am

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In post 2339, Green Crayons wrote:
TTH:


I didn't highlight this as being directed to you, so I'm just repeating it with a notation that it is for your attention:

In post 2294, Green Crayons wrote:I would like her opinion on massive, including why she suspects him and what gave her cold feet.


I will note that you have stated some basis for suspecting massive (), but those just aren't striking me as convincing. However, you've sounded your massive suspicions repeatedly and consistently throughout the game, so I was hoping that you might have something more.


I don't really want to talk about it, but there's something (I will remain purposefully vague about) I saw when reviewing this game that made me think I was terribly wrong. As such, I'm not really entertaining the idea of a massive kill.
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Post Post #2358 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:25 am

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TTH, how do you feel about lynching AK?
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Post Post #2359 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:27 am

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In post 2305, Green Crayons wrote:Also, TTH: why did you think you were going to be a distraction for FG?

Was that only the motivation for your claim at L-4?


Simply because of neighborhood meta. And yes, that was pretty much the only motivation for claiming at L-4. But I also think a Doogal or Anatole flip would be very beneficial at this point.
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Post Post #2360 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:27 am

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In post 2358, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:TTH, how do you feel about lynching AK?


I'd be for it.
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Post Post #2361 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:28 am

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I think the first step should be to convince TTH to don't jump off the bridge, and that life is worth living.
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Post Post #2362 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:28 am

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Let's make that happen.

VOTE: AK
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Post Post #2363 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:31 am

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BBT, are you townreading Green Crayons?
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Post Post #2364 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:31 am

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In post 2362, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Let's make that happen.

VOTE: AK

I'm not for or against the AK lynch, but you're running a risk of splitting town votes.

Because of number of bull-headed people still voting for your lynch, we don't have that many votes to work with.
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Post Post #2365 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:32 am

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I don't really understand the AK lynch. How is his flip beneficial to us?
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Post Post #2366 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:32 am

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What's the updated Vote Count?
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Post Post #2367 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:34 am

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Yeah, I am.

I wasn't when he first joined the thread but I feel confident now that he is town.

PEdit - I understand FG, but I'm not sure a Jagged lynch is the best lynch right now.

PEditv2 - AK jumps off Boon after Boon's claim, Boon says he doesn't understand AK wagon.
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Post Post #2368 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:34 am

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Post Post #2369 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:34 am

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In post 2232, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.23

JaggedAppliance(5)
– FakeGod, The Rufflig, Boonskiies, Flubbernugget, Doogal121,
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- JaggedAppliance, Wake88, TellTaleHeart, Csareo
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– massive
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– Anatole Kuragin

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Post Post #2370 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:35 am

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In post 2367, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Yeah, I am.

I wasn't when he first joined the thread but I feel confident now that he is town.

PEdit - I understand FG, but I'm not sure a Jagged lynch is the best lynch right now.

PEditv2 - AK jumps off Boon after Boon's claim, Boon says he doesn't understand AK wagon.



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Post Post #2371 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:36 am

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In post 2370, Boonskiies wrote:
He jumped off because 4 of you immediately jumped on.

Nah, he jumped off because he 'believed' your claim.
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Post Post #2372 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:36 am

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In post 2367, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:PEditv2 - AK jumps off Boon after Boon's claim, Boon says he doesn't understand AK wagon.


I saw that...
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Post Post #2373 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:36 am

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In post 2371, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 2370, Boonskiies wrote:
He jumped off because 4 of you immediately jumped on.

Nah, he jumped off because he 'believed' your claim.

This is correct.

I just checked his ISO.
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Post Post #2374 (ISO) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:37 am

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BBT* is correct.
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