Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[goodmorning]

For a start, her first post reflects a lot of the same thoughts I'd been having up to that point, though I was pretty vocal about them.
The questions she's asked have been fairly on point.
The way she's engaging with the game is not the same as the way she engages as Scum. No, this is not a thing that's easy to fake.
She's visibly reassessed several times.
(Plus she could probably have pushed a lynch through on me without taking too much flak.)

Sheeping you doesn't make her town.
Can you provide me some examples of her on point questioning.
Disregarding meta-read.
Who has she reassessed and how is this alignment indicative?

No, but having a similar thought process might.
Sure. 89 is full of them.
I'm sure you are, but it'd be dishonest of me not to mention it since it's a big part of my townread.
Zeb, me, Josh, just from what I remember. Scum tend to be a bit less malleable than Town. Reassessing displays 1)public thought process 2)genuine attempts to solve the game.

[nopointinactingup]

This game gets my fullest attention tomorrow.

Why did NPAU put GM to L-1? His vote moves around so much for such faulty reasons. Ugh.

SO you don't think I should wagon my scum read? I already mentioned why she's scum.

Case on NPAU

Jumpy vote hopping (All of his votes so far have apparently been serious, as per (105)): (33) (105) (224) (320) (439)

Null/Personal

Finds MS unlikely to be scum, (224) but, despite MS's playstyle not changing, he considers him scum by (521).Yet, he barely pushes at MS, which is a marked change from his other accusations. I also did not notice him voting MS

This is a serious fucking misrep.

I said it was a scummy post, not MS is scum

. There's a difference. The only time I mentioned who was on my scum-list I mentioned GM and Mala.

Considering how much his votes have jumped around, this is inconsistent, especially when he jumps onto GM in (634). After all, if he was changing his playstyle because it made him look scummy, he should have stopped vote-hopping by that time. (If he was town, stopping scummy behavior would have made sense. Even if it cast suspicion on him, it would ultimately make the game clearer for the town. Scum thrive in confusion.)

Too much WIFOM. Scum has the same motivation to change their play to stop scummy behavior. The point is that I DON'T THINK it's bad play to utilize my votes to a large extent.

I

was

voting at the time and I was also actively trying to sort people out, so why you are claiming that I wasn't doing either? I didn't respond to your empty vote because I was waiting to see where you would go with it. Which was nowhere as it happened. If you want me to respond to something, the easiest way is to ask me.

I didn't see this tbh.
First, your vote was on Expresso, which is a RVS? If not, you did not provide reasoning for it so I failed to see it otherwise
Second, I saw that you were asking a lot of questions without coming to some sort of conclusion or read. I dropped the vote on you because I thought there was better things to do with my vote.

Question NPAU; what do you think of what was the goodmorning wagon?

I think it's mainly town driven. The reason it went up so fast was probably hephaestus's vote and a scum early bussing. Although hepha is null, if he is town then GM's wagon would make sense as a wagon on scum. The unvotes were meh. Could be town genuine concern of a fast wagon or scum thinking oh shit my buddy is at L-1. But I wouldn't care about it until we have a flip.

[beastcharizard]

Vote Count

Goodmorning: hephaestus, nopointinactingup
hephaestus: Peabody, Josh_B
Metal Sonic: Goodmorning
nopointinactingup: Scripten, Metal Sonic, Huntress, ucitron00
Josh_B: Malakittens
Malakittens: BlueBloodedToffee

Not voting: davesaz, shinobi
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-10-04 20:45:00)

[Metal Sonic]

Gm best lynch, npau safest lynch

[Josh_B]

Gm best lynch, npau safest lynch

that unvote.

[goodmorning]

This game gets my fullest attention tomorrow.

Why did NPAU put GM to L-1? His vote moves around so much for such faulty reasons. Ugh.

SO you don't think I should wagon my scum read? I already mentioned why she's scum.

I'm going to point out that your "case" on me appears to be "I don't like 29, wah."

Yet your first vote on me, which came after 29, was "a pressure vote."

Interesting.

[goodmorning]

Gm best lynch, npau safest lynch

What in the flying fuck does that even mean?

that unvote.

I like this.

[Shinobi]

NPAU you have like 50 scumreads.

Don't get pissy at me when I call you out for having too many.

[uctriton00]

Does this mean you're town-reading GM?

I'm reading them not being on the same team don't you agree

[uctriton00]

Combine 701 with 703 and if NPAU flips scum and GM flips town then I think MS is a gut shot scum draw

[uctriton00]

although if NPAU flipped first and flipped scum then GM would be conftown already (pretty sure I'm not alone in thinking that)

NPAU, regarding your 701, it looks like you very clearly do say that MS made a scummy post, you can't say that he makes a scummy post but is not a scum. You've used the term anti town before, so if you meant anti town, you meant anti town. You repped it as scummy back then. My vote stays on NPAU.

If NPAU flips scum, then I can see a scum partner saying exactly what 703 said. It's not a sure thing, it's a gut shot, but damn, it's incredibly uneasy to read that.

[Shinobi]

I hate how everyone is drawing associative reads from everything.

I'm looking at them and they all look dumb. Maybe it's just me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I hate how everyone is drawing associative reads from everything.

I'm looking at them and they all look dumb. Maybe it's just me.

I agree. Associative reads without flips/relevant information are indeed dumb.

[Malakittens]

Yeah I have never fully understood why people do it, but I'm guilty of doing it myself accidentally sometimes

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mala, you going to respond to 696?

[Peabody]

For a start, her first post reflects a lot of the same thoughts I'd been having up to that point, though I was pretty vocal about them.

This statement from GM looks town.

I happen to agree.

She said she was working on a reads-list a while back, I've been waiting for it.

I didn't know she was posting elsewhere though.

VOTE: GM

Why is your vote on GM exactly? I got the feeling this was a sheep as well (same as dave feels), but feel free to prove me wrong.

BBT, do you mind responding to this? I want to know your thought process on this subject.

[Peabody]

I happen to agree.

She said she was working on a reads-list a while back, I've been waiting for it.

I didn't know she was posting elsewhere though.

VOTE: GM

Why is your vote on GM exactly? I got the feeling this was a sheep as well (same as dave feels), but feel free to prove me wrong.

xD

This is what I wanted to answer. Part of my last post shows my wording that's supposed to bein quotes. This above is what is supposed to be in quotes.

Meaning, can you say something on what is in quotes here, BBT?

[goodmorning]

Minor readslist shakeups:
Town (L>G): Malakittens, Peabody, BlueBloodedToffee, Josh_B, Scripten
Null (T>S): Shinobi, dave, Huntress, ucitron00
Scum (G>L): Metal Sonic, nopointinactingup, hephaestus

[Shinobi]

I love how every time I post, I go up in people's town lists.

[Josh_B]

being active and making reasonable comments will do that to you.

[Huntress]

Some of her posts have given me scum-gut feels (the whole Zeb thing, which I have already commented on), but then there is other posts by her that make her feel town. Such as the questioning which I have also pointed out because that does fit into her town meta. What I really don't like currently is how she hasn't made a comment on the BBT v I argument, which I expected town-Huntress to have taken a side. I have faced a few games where she has barely taken a stance on me besides knowing me for a while and probably having the vast meta to pretty much read-me-like-a-book. Although, I have also seen town her not make a read on me besides gut. My issue frankly is that she hasn't made one comment on my posting which makes me question whether or not she can't read me this game or she's trying to stay silent on it and sweep it under the rug. Either way it's been bothering me for a while so I was hoping that her current read through would give me a glimpse of her stance on BBT v I discussion.

I saw your exchanges with BBT as more about a clash of playstyles than anything else, but your reactions looked town to me so I didn't feel the need to comment, especially as I was already arguing with him about something else (Did you comment on that? If you did I think I missed it.). What about it did you expect me to take a side on? If it was the use of meta I gave BBT my opinion earlier that meta is a good tool. Although in your case a gut read seems to work better for me and it's currently saying town.

Do you think BBT is scum? You voted him briefly but I got the feeling that was more out of frustration with him than out of suspicion. I've got a null read on him at the moment.

By the way, that "vast meta" you speak of consists almost entirely of games in which you were town. There was one scum game early last year where you were lynched fairly early before I managed to get a proper read on you, but that's about it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, NPAU and possibly GM. The more I re-read the worse she looks.

But I'd rather lynch Mala.

Need to see more from Uct, Heph and GM.

Waiting for Mala's and GM's reads-lists.

I happen to agree.

She said she was working on a reads-list a while back, I've been waiting for it.

I didn't know she was posting elsewhere though.

VOTE: GM

This is pretty much all I got in terms of GM.

Sonic presented a case, and I agreed with his suspicions but I disagreed with his conclusion (he thought she was scum, I didn't). However, the main reason I disagreed is because I fully expected GM to improve her play, start contributing, and start scum-hunting. This didn't happen, and still hasn't happened.

I guess you could say it's a read that just accumulated over time because GM just hasn't done anything in this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I love how every time I post, I go up in people's town lists.

Not for me you don't.

being active

and making reasonable comments will do that to you.

The bold made me laugh. I can appreciate a good joke.

[Huntress]

I didn't see this tbh.
First, your vote was on Expresso, which is a RVS? If not, you did not provide reasoning for it so I failed to see it otherwise
Second, I saw that you were asking a lot of questions without coming to some sort of conclusion or read. I dropped the vote on you because I thought there was better things to do with my vote.

First, I did explain it, in post 81 and a bit more in 111. Are you actually reading my posts? Or are you just taking potshots at me?
Second, which of my questions are you referring to here? If you wanted to know what I thought about something, why didn't you just ask me?

[goodmorning]

being active

and making reasonable comments will do that to you.

The bold made me laugh. I can appreciate a good joke.

This I don't like.