Micro 392: The Assassin has regained control of the village!

[Scripten]

I've found the case on gray to be particularly boring and based on misunderstandings more than anything, but I'll read it thoroughly now.

It's not even so much that there IS much of a case on GF's misunderstandings. He did something scummy and, when called on it, defended himself by attacking and accusing those calling him on it scum. His reaction to being called out is as telling, if not moreso, than the problem I had with his play before.

I suppose this could be a case of town-vs-town, but I'm leaning away from that the more he tries to push a case on me for disagreeing.

Thoughts on max? mantis? Heel while you're at it just gimme all your reads

Max is null leaning town. I haven't had any problems with his interpretations of events for the most part. I disagree that effort = town, though. Effort may equal appearing to look town, but it's not a towntell any more than it is a scumtell. I find myself agreeing on a lot of his points about SoS. I may also be more suspicious of them(SoS) because they are agreeing with me.

Mantis is null. She has posted enough, I suppose, but she hasn't really said much in the way of content.

Quinoa is practically useless and has been active lurking/trolling all game. Would not be sad to see him executed today, either, policy lynch or not. His few posts with content appear to be pulled from his backside.

You are... teetering. I'm starting to see a pattern of people assigning scumminess on account of associative reads all over this game, though. I'm going to go with null leaning town. Your contributions seem mostly genuine.

[Nazarene]

Sooooo...I have read through a Scripten-Grayfoxxx-Sabbath ISO, focusing on the former two.
It seems the fundamental disconnect is to be blamed on......
......................

Spoiler: answer

SCRIPTEN!

For this post:

Spoiler: post

Likewise, this is pretty misrepresentativ of SoS's statement. He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum)

This is false! And causes all the confusion to follow. For instance this confusion, that I totally feel.

Spoiler: confusion

Wait wait wait. How did what you said translate to what Scripten said???? "Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read." I dont see it. So this really means "He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence." I call B.S. Someone else please give me some insight.

and this, which is not confusion, but how matters truly have gone:

Now you both are saying that quote somehow meant I was acting scummy, and trying to frame script as my partner. HOW HOW HOW

Hopefully having cleared confusion, I'll respond to this.

1) You said that if Naz flips scum, then you would suspect me as being their partner.

2) This is suspicious because you were town reading me, so you are simultaneously reading me as likely to be town and likely to be scum. That's really inconsistent and suggests that you may be scummy.

You somehow don't believe in associative reads on people you read as town. That's fine, but I do and max has already pointed out that he does as well. It's just a disclaimer: "

IF

Naz flips scum, I'm more likely to see scripten as scum as I see him now, because Naz's read on scripten looked fake." This doesn't mean: Naz and script are both scum. It just mean: I could see one as the partner of the other. It's not scummy to do this. It's just not.

Give my post a good read, scripten. Probably read it 3 times. And hopefully realise that what I pointed out is correct.

Also get totally ready to put me in your supaaarrr town category.

Focusing more on SoS now in this debate, getrekt.
-Tier

[Nazarene]

Btw having a beer while analysing this was totally a great idea thanks scripten (and nika) for reading it in your iso

[GrayFoxxxx]

Jesus Christ.

Script you ignored 331.

Sab ignored 332.

[Nazarene]

@SABBATH:

Do you think the following quote is a correct representation of your statement? If yes, point out where you have said Gray to be implicating script as scum partner. If not, why haven't you commented on it?

Likewise, this is pretty misrepresentativ of SoS's statement. He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum)

According to GreyFoxx

1. Scripten is hard town
2. Nazarene is leaning scum
3. Nazarene and Scripten are probably scum partners

I don't know how much clearer I can be. Points 1 and 2 do not follow with point 3. Like, AT ALL.

He never said 3 though. Where did he say 3?
-Tier

p-edit: gray I'm fixing this shit right now

[GrayFoxxxx]

post 219

Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift(NaZ) seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him(Scripten) as scum with his(Greyfoxx's) bestest town read(Sripten). This is aweful.

This is SABs quote all this fuss is over by the way.

Script and Sab both said it really meant that I was trying to seem scum while also making Script seem like my scum buddy. I don't even.

Script then changes views yadda yadda

There is a pronoun error. I've added in some parentheses so that hopefully it will read better. and a shorter edited version
Greyfoxx says that his highest town read is scum buddies with Nazarene. This is awful.

I'm about to cry. I completely understood you when you posted it. Script didn't yet you agreed with him.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'll let them reply to naz now.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Also naz I still disagree my initial ISOs are IIoA

[GrayFoxxxx]

Since votes don't actually count.

Lynch script and sab

[Nazarene]

Now gray, let them indeed reply.

Do you think they are scum together, pushing the same idea together? Who looks scummiest out of the two?

[Maxous]

happy to see nazarene is town

i don't think scrip is scum, i like that he has been very willing + open to discuss all viewpoints at any the time. (he might be a bit stubborn)

shooting sabbath i'm okay with atm

[Nazarene]

happy to see maxous reads the fucking towniest thing I've done in ages in any game as town.

[GrayFoxxxx]

happy to see nazarene is town

i don't think scrip is scum, i like that he has been very willing + open to discuss all viewpoints at any the time.

Except my main point in 332.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Now gray, let them indeed reply.

Do you think they are scum together, pushing the same idea together? Who looks scummiest out of the two?

I mean why else would they both be playing like this? I guess Sab is slightly less scum. Maybe he is just playing a horrible town. Really wouldn't mind seeing either of them lynched. I feel like a script Lynch would give more info.

[Maxous]

happy to see nazarene is town

i don't think scrip is scum, i like that he has been very willing + open to discuss all viewpoints at any the time.

Except my main point in 332.

I've looked at #332 three times and I Don't get the argument..help pls

[GrayFoxxxx]

happy to see nazarene is town

i don't think scrip is scum, i like that he has been very willing + open to discuss all viewpoints at any the time.

Except my main point in 332.

I've looked at #332 three times and I Don't get the argument..help pls

My mistake. Look at 331.

[Nazarene]

Naz read my last few posts if you haven't kept up. Why ask me to repeat my self more than I have.

Sab I have already explained my early reads. ISO me it's there.

The Heads of the Hydra need to confer.


-A

[SABBATHonSABBATH]

Oh look I found this gif of myself when I used to play on the jets...


I think I said a lot of complicated shit, but I was calling Greyfoxx scum for multiple reasons. being
Attempting to use the game flavor to appear town.
Creating the ISO reads as an attempt to appear town. because the ISO's
1. have Poor evaluations of posts and leave out the more important parts of the posts.
2. are Describing the posts rather than giving opinions on their content, and
Contradictions.

This just happens to be the point that is being questioned.

Uses meta way to strongly here. Makes me look at Script as poss. scum if Naz is scum.

This is the comment that was being questioned. Greyfoxx thinks Scripten is town, thinks Naz is scum, thinks scripten may be scum with Naz.
This is a lot different than Maxous's example. Maxous thought both parties were town, but still suspicious. In this case GF says Scripten and Nazarene are on opposite sides of the spectrum.
In max's defense, he says that GF is going to be reevaluating everyone. But that's not what was said. Greyfoxx is looking at Scripten as Nazarene's partner.
GF doesn't have any case on Scripten being scum except for one comment made Nazarene. And he still hasn't made any case on Scripten being scum except some OMGUS to being pressed on how the Sripten and Naz are connected in any other way.

I don't think Scripten is wrong in his interpretation of what I said. Greyfoxx did make an awkward comment praising Maxous for town reading scripten which I also pointed out. This could be another area where a misinterpretation is happening. Because of the praise, I considered Scripten as a scum partner of Greyfoxx, but concluded that it was probably not the case. Due to Scripten responses to GF.

In other news, I like the GF's response to my earlier question about the disconnect between what he chose to respond to, and the content in the posts.
something along the lines of "I can't help it if you think there's a disconnect" I think it's a pretty fair response, and I'm not going to press this matter further. There are too many misinterpretations at this point and most of them are probably based on my wordiness.

~ozzy.

[GrayFoxxxx]

@Sab

That whole post is contradictory.

Where you quoted my naz read it says poss as in possible. This kills your argument.

You still aren't being clear about scripts interpretation switch .

How does my read on Max look like I am

1- trying to make myself look scum(wtf?)

2- while also trying to make script look like my scum buddy.

[Scripten]

Ugh GF you just don't get it do you?

I didn't switch interprestations. Stop trying to push that shit. Seriously. I'm just not talking about it any more. This is it.

1) No one said you were trying to look like scum. WTH is this supposed to mean? I said that you were trying to nail me alongside Naz. I extrapolated thast you might be scum trying to bus your partner in a shitty manner and frame another townie alongside a scum flip.

2) SoS said that I might have been your scum buddy. He said that my reaction to (1) makes that unlikely.

Why don't you get this?

Jesus. I'm done talking about this subject.

[GrayFoxxxx]

[GrayFoxxxx]

331

[Scripten]

Yep

You just don't get that I can hold two viewpoints about two different things and have them still be consistent. okay

I just don't even you right now.

I may have had too much beer for this but jesus this cannot be that hard to understand. Dudes am I being unreasonable to expect that GF get this?

[Aronis]

All Hail Mantisdreamz! He is your king.

He has (expired on 2014-09-29 18:21:50) to execute someone.

[GrayFoxxxx]

OK I'll play your game. Why FoS me for sharing the same view as you?

In your last 2 posts you went from

"I never said you are trying to be scum while making me look like your buddy" to

"I did say that but for a different reason"
We weren't talking about anything but my read on Naz.

But I'm curious. Where have I tried to seem scummy? And how did it envolve you?