Mini Normal 1609: The Case Of Doctor Pepper (Game Over)

[Csareo]

What really has me off is your one sided tunnels of the person you're voting for.
This is the main difference I saw between you and ruffling.
Ruffling seemed more intrested in finding scum, while you just wanted to push your wagon.

Yada Yada, has anyone here played with you before, and can they tell me your meta?

[Csareo]

Is Boonskiies unCC'd?

He wasn't CC'd

[Boonskiies]

Tracker, Wake.

Also, Wake, FakeGod was wanting to know if I would play trolly as a PR, and you are one of the ones who have played with me before.

@GC - I don't throw votes around very often. I like my votes to mean something. Just a personal preference. I was doing my intent to vote on BBT because I had just made a case on BBT that I needed to await his response before coming to my full read.

[Csareo]

I call for a decision. Anatole and Ruffling aren't flying under the radar any longer.
Especially anatole, who is hesitant to hop on any of the big wagons. I would like to see him make a decision, and ASAP.

[Green Crayons]

The fact that you had just made a case against BBT also cuts against what you're saying. You made a case on him. Obviously you were on his mind, and willing to vote for him.

In contrast, if you had not made a case on BBT, but were wanting people to know that you thought BBT was pretty suspicious, an intent to vote announcement would still look weird (as opposed to simply saying you agree with the suspicions of BBT), but would make more sense.

I don't see a town purpose of following up a case with an intent to vote announcement.

[Wake1]

Why are some attempting to vote an unCC'd PR? Someone explain this to me please.

[Boonskiies]

I messed up with the quoting there, but meh. Was supposed to be 3 quotes with my responses to each. Anywho...

I don't know if I necessarily see Wake as scummy rather than just pissed off town. I've played with Wake multiple times, and I'm one of the few who actually like playing with Wake, and he seems to always be targeted by scum as a mislynch. Granted, I've never actually seen Wake as scum that I remember. But Wake is definitely one of the people who scum use to make an easy mislynch. He's very proactive and I believe he overthinks things. I don't feel like Wake should be lynched toDay. I always seem to enjoy having a town Wake alive later in the game.

That being said, I see why people are on him, even if they are town. He does seem scummy, but he's Wake. He always seems scummy.


@Csareo - I am going to laugh if all three of those people end up being the scum team.


Anatole/BBT I can see as a scum team

IF

Wake ends up being town.

If Wake is scum, I find it hard to believe Anatole would be putting up such a fight against Wake. I do have a scum read on Anatole, but it also seems like playstyle to me. Wake is one of those characters that can really get someone worked up, and that's the only thing keeping me from voting Anatole right now other than the presence of BBT.

BBT on the other hand, I believe is flip flopping all over the place. I see originally why he would want his supposed neighbor to be possibly lynched, but when things started turning into a "we lynch one, if they flip town, we lynch the other one" kind of deal, he backed off. I believe he's probably going to bring this up later, when he would be more okay with being lynch. Afterwards, he sees Anatole vs Wake happening and picks a side. He's directly involved with the two, but he is staying under the radar. This makes me have a potential feeling that BBT is trying for a mislynch on either one of them leading into a second mislynch on the other. I've actually played with a scum BBT before, and he's actually playing quite similar. He started lurking when under pressure last time, though.

Intent to vote BBT

Awaiting response.

I was using meta as my initial scum read, and I don't like to make that my main source of a scum read. Of course I was going to wait for him to respond. I don't get how not voting someone is seen as not town. At all.

[Green Crayons]

It's not "not voting someone." I don't care that you didn't vote BBT at that point in time.

It's telling the thread "Yo I'm planning on voting this guy, is that okay with everyone? I don't want my actions to look too suspicious."

[Csareo]

The "Intent to vote" is a bad reason to vote someone. I've done it plenty of times when putting someone at L-1 or L-2.
A real reason to vote boonskies is if you're town reading BBT, which is still a weak associative case.
And wake is right. Boonskies hasn't been CC'd, and there is no reason to be voting him right now.

[Csareo]

I'm sick of greencrayon's silly and ignorant arguments.

[Green Crayons]

@wake:

in your opinion, is tracker a common enough role for the lack of a courter claim sufficient evidence to prove the validity of the PR claim?

I'd only go with cop and doctor.

[Csareo]

A tracker is a role I see in most games.
I would of even defended boonskies if he was CC'd, because two trackers isn't uncommon either.

[Boonskiies]

It's not "not voting someone." I don't care that you didn't vote BBT at that point in time.

It's telling the thread "Yo I'm planning on voting this guy, is that okay with everyone? I don't want my actions to look too suspicious."

Because every time I fucking put my vote on someone I get attacked all the time, and have to completely repost the same freaking post like three times before people finally stop badgering me about votes. Next time I'll just keep all my reads to myself and just put a damn naked vote. Because it's as if I'm doing that anyways.

[Green Crayons]

The "Intent to vote" is a bad reason to vote someone.

I've done it plenty of times when putting someone at L-1 or L-2.

Yes, it is something I normally do. Why doesn't it look town exactly? Would you rather me put someone to L-2/L-1 instantly?

You said you posted your intent to vote BBT back when BBT didn't have a lot of votes on him. So, you wouldn't have put him at L-2/L-1.

You have failed to read the thread. Again.

Your comment is therefore not relevant to the thread. Again.

Read the thread or go away.

[Green Crayons]

It's not "not voting someone." I don't care that you didn't vote BBT at that point in time.

It's telling the thread "Yo I'm planning on voting this guy, is that okay with everyone? I don't want my actions to look too suspicious."

Because every time I fucking put my vote on someone I get attacked all the time, and have to completely repost the same freaking post like three times before people finally stop badgering me about votes. Next time I'll just keep all my reads to myself and just put a damn naked vote. Because it's as if I'm doing that anyways.

Wow. I didn't think you were actually going to admit that your intent to vote announcement was to check and make sure a BBT vote got thread approval before you followed through.

[massive]

What I'm interested in is massive to answer for his actions.

My actions where I presented practically the totality of the case on Boon, and none of it was even remotely related to his playstyle?

massive apparently has been fully aware that this kind of ridiculous VI behavior could be coming from Town PR Boons.

I mentioned the specificness of the "VI" traits that I disliked. None of them counter the actual case I put forth on him.

[massive]

@Fakegod - Another tidbit, the game I played with massive I was a 2 shot dayvig. Don't know if it's relevant, but I'm just trying to give you as much info as I can.

What the heck game was this? It certainly wasn't Normal 1582 (you were vanilla) and if it was Pirate Normal 1587, you bailed and were replaced on Day One.

[Boonskiies]

Oh, I got the wrong game. Meh.

[Boonskiies]

Was that the game with Drew-Sta I was in with you?

[Wake1]

@wake:

in your opinion, is tracker a common enough role for the lack of a courter claim sufficient evidence to prove the validity of the PR claim?

I'd only go with cop and doctor.

Tracker is fairly common.

[Csareo]

Usually scum don't claim tracker. They try to claim doctor, and usually fail...
I notice that a common claim is jailkeeper, because they can fool people with the common mafia role, roleblocker.

[FakeGod]

There is nothing wrong with lynching a un cc'd PR that isn't confirmable.

Now, tracker

IS

confirmable, but only by getting a guilty or outing a town PR. (latter is more likely at this stage of the game)

[Wake1]

FG, do you think the unCC'd Tracker should be lynched today?

[FakeGod]

And wake is right. Boonskies hasn't been CC'd, and there is no reason to be voting him right now.

There is so many things wrong with this statement.

For one, have you heard of Mafia Tracker?

[FakeGod]

FG, do you think the unCC'd Tracker should be lynched today?

Independent of meta, Boon's play is nothing of what I would expect from a Town Investigative PR, and I'd believe that he is lying about being a tracker.

But number of meta defense has risen, and I'm in the process of sorting through them.