Open 572: Nightless Vengeful Mayhem - Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

VC 1.01

Blair (0)-

Phillammon (0)-

Shaddowez (0)-

Thor665 (0)-

droog (0)-

JohnnyFarrar (0)-

Cheetory6 (3)-

Shaddowez, YYR, droog

YYR (0)-

acryon (1)-

Cheetory6

Dyslexicon (0)-

wgeurts (3)-

Blair, JohnnyFarrar, Dyslexicon

Fokem (0)-

Not Voting (5)-

Phillammon, Thor665, acryon, wgeurts, Fokem

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-10-10 20:00:00)

- Oct 9th 19:00 GMT

[Dyslexicon]

Right?

So Keely. It's pretty obvious that it's either Wingnuts or you dying today. You should join the wagaruts wagon. Blair found him.

Dys has mysterious reasons for doing things and it's weird.

I've played with someone I call Keely on another site, and I wonder if it's the same person, but I kind of doubt it from posting style. Keely. I like to write it.

And yes, some reasons are half mysterious to me as well. Why, brain, why?

[Cheetory6]

@Johnny, I'm more angry about waiting all day to play than I am about the fact that I'm obviously about to die.~

@Dys, I mean, I have no qualms with you calling me Keely if you'd like. Just might be confusing for other players.

[Dyslexicon]

@ Keely, All the names are hard to remember. But I like doing nicknames. Why are you not upset about dying? Dun dun DUUUN.

[Cheetory6]

I've had a good life.~

[droog]

Hi Dys. What's droog talking about?

Why wguts over Cheetory?

I think he wanted two wagons instead of one, and then realized a vote was not where he initially thought. And then he made som insinuation that YYR was initiating stupid discussion by asking the thingy that was the thingy about you. I don't know why he thought it was stupid. And I don't know if I intepreted it correctly (he will hopefully shed more light on it himself). I like punctuation. And I miss my nickname, but Dys is cool.^^

I have no answer to that just now.

I counted 3 votes on wgeurys and 2 on Cheetos and wanted to tie
Then I realized yyr was 2 of those


Also his first

[Dyslexicon]

I've had a good life.~

I'm glad to hear it.

VOTE: Cheetory

[droog]

Question was dumber than autocorrect

[Dyslexicon]

Question was dumber than autocorrect

Why?

(Also, autocorrect makes things funny. Sometimes).

[droog]

VOTE: wgeurts

Also if I accidentally use the name Keely it's referring to Cheetory6 and the name Young refers to YYR. Be back after dinner.

Cheetory, do you think this clarification is more likely to come from townJohnny or scumJohnny?

Pretend Cheetos have a direct answer. Then what?

1) a discussion about how useless meta is
2) a discussion of Johnny's past meta
3) a throwaway answer that leads nowhere
4) someone calls it dumb

^my best guess. I can't imagine any useful scumhunting coming from that question

[Blair]

Then why did you opt for option #4?

[Dyslexicon]

VOTE: wgeurts

Also if I accidentally use the name Keely it's referring to Cheetory6 and the name Young refers to YYR. Be back after dinner.

Cheetory, do you think this clarification is more likely to come from townJohnny or scumJohnny?

Pretend Cheetos have a direct answer. Then what?

1) a discussion about how useless meta is
2) a discussion of Johnny's past meta
3) a throwaway answer that leads nowhere
4) someone calls it dumb

^my best guess. I can't imagine any useful scumhunting coming from that question

But he didn't have a direct answer. Also, I don't think "useful scumhunting" looks like something in particular. You never know what can come out of something, but I was never the organized type.

@Johnny, my gut is having weird feelings on you. Tell me a story, please? What are you seeing in these early posts? Any spark, inspiration?

[droog]

Then why did you opt for option #4?

Because I had nothing better to say

[droog]

Do you?

[Cheetory6]

@droog, if your reason to vote me was to 'tie the votes', why are you adding reasoning on here?

Pretend Cheetos have a direct answer. Then what?

[droog]

It was a hypothetical to explain why yyr's question was pointless

Not for why I voted you.

[Cheetory6]

The meta here is weird as fuck.

[YYR]

The fact that Cheetory gave me a reason for thinking scumJohnny and not townJohnny when I asked makes me think he has better reasoning for voting Johnny over his initial vote, which I don't see going anywhere. I think he's being too conservative with his vote especially when Johnny has given out information that wasn't strictly necessary and he claims there's possible scum motivation behind it.

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Cheetory6

Serious votes are neat.

[Cheetory6]

I saw equal amounts of reasoning behind it being Johnny being town and Johnny being scum. Why would I vote him for that?
I thought you were doing some kind of reaction test, this is rather disappointing by comparison and makes me feel sad for going along with it. Serious post coming sometime later tonight.

[shaddowez]

I like Dys right now, but it could be the avatar.

Cheetor

- You're at L-2 in just RVS (outside of Johnny's "serious" vote). What do you think of your wagon so far?

It was a hypothetical to explain why yyr's question was pointless

Not for why I voted you.

Droog

- You wanted to tie up the wagons, but then realized your count was wrong. Do you have a reason for keeping your vote on Cheetor now?

[Cheetory6]

Firstly, I don't understand the point of bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning, especially since it seems to me like most of the players here seem experienced enough to know that bandwagon analysis can be useful for town. Why would scum not simply position themselves on a wagon in such a way that will protect them from the general analysis players apply to bandwagons? Unless the point is just to put pressure on someone? Which, again, scum equally stands to benefit from safe bandwagon votes for the sake of appearing to be playing protown.

droog's vote on me stands out as the most likely candidate for scum posing as a protown player for adding momentum to a wagon without really doing anything else, which reads as coasting to me. By extension, I'm also not particularly a fan of Dys's vote, but I feel worse about droog's. Droog also calls YYR's questioning of me bad scumhunting which almost makes me feel like he finds YYR more questionable than me and thus makes his vote on me for purely bandwagon's sake even more questionable.

VOTE: droogs

Secondly, in my response to YYR's question I left out a sentiment of thinking it was stupid because I dislike detracting momentum from early D1 strategies and I assumed he was trying to do something [which he apparently wasn't so zzzzzz]]. Call that backtracking if you want, but Johnny and YYR can confirm
that I've gone after people for detracting from early D1 strategies in the past. In any event, I also disagree with his conclusion that I apparently found Johnny's behavior scummy, and rather just found it equally likely to be coming from townJohnny/scumJohnny.

Thirdly, Johnny, why were you trying to push people onto my wagon in #20 and off of the wagon you were on at the time?

[Thor665]

Vote: Cheetory

L-1

Anyone who isn't serious about this can flee like children now. We have a wagon at near lynch.
I am also open to hear from anyone who likes the idea of hammering it.

I townread Droog.
I would be willing to lynch Dyx as an alternate wagon.

[Thor665]

Firstly, I don't understand the point of bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning, especially since it seems to me like most of the players here seem experienced enough to know that bandwagon analysis can be useful for town. Why would scum not simply position themselves on a wagon in such a way that will protect them from the general analysis players apply to bandwagons? Unless the point is just to put pressure on someone? Which, again, scum equally stands to benefit from safe bandwagon votes for the sake of appearing to be playing protown.

droog's vote on me stands out as the most likely candidate for scum posing as a protown player for adding momentum to a wagon without really doing anything else, which reads as coasting to me. By extension, I'm also not particularly a fan of Dys's vote, but I feel worse about droog's. Droog also calls YYR's questioning of me bad scumhunting which almost makes me feel like he finds YYR more questionable than me and thus makes his vote on me for purely bandwagon's sake even more questionable.

Correct me if I'm wrong here. But you're pointing out that bandwagoning isn't helpful because scum can place themselves on bandwagons in a way to avoid suspicion.
You then vote Droog for the reasoning of "his position on the bandwagon looks suspicious"

I feel like I *must* be reading this wrong, because if I'm not I feel like you just claimed scum. Discuss?

[Cheetory6]

How am I claiming scum? What?