Kingmaker II-Game Over

[VitaminR]

I know I'm pretty much just giving you an excuse to execute me, but I really need more than just "CLAIM!!!111."

[RafK]

Are you planning on claiming scum?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Nobody said lynch

only

for information. I don't understand why you seem to think that how much information is derived from a lynch should not be part of the consideration. As I said, it's not the only factor, but it's not an invalid one, either.

No, it's still a crap reason. If Fritzler is lynched, I think we still gain a lot of information. "Lynchign for information" is a rationalization - we'll get info either way. I'm a little surprised there aren't more people calling to get serious pressure on Fritzler - if he's really equally as scummy as spectrumvoid, we could put some pressure on him and get more information from him. Heck, I think we're getting information on him right now in this discussion.

Indeed we are. The more this conversation continues, the more information we get regarding Fritzler. However, this does not change the fact that at the time I made my original statement, there was little information to be gained from a Fritzler lynch, since there had not been much discussion of him.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Nobody said lynch

only

for information. I don't understand why you seem to think that how much information is derived from a lynch should not be part of the consideration. As I said, it's not the only factor, but it's not an invalid one, either.

I don't think it should be the deciding factor about whether or not you lynch X above Y.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Of course it should. If lynching X gives you more information, then lynching X will catch you more scum over the entire game, ceteris paribus.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

If there is more evidence against Y, but X gives more leads towards other players if turning up scum, then I still think it's a bad idea.

[Lowell]

I'd like Vitty and Voidybuns to claim. I'm getting to decision time.

vote Zindy

. Deal with THAT, autocracy!

Asking for a claim is idiotic.

Let me help them out.
Vita claims townie.
SV claims townie.
Wow, that was exciting.

What does this serve other than trying to out the kingmaker (which, admittedly, I don't care about, though others seem to) or the HERO? Anything?

I'll throw in a

vote SV

if I have to be constrained by this spirit-crushing system.

[Zindaras]

I'm trying to make up my mind. A Kingmaker claim would obviously help in that respect.

[spectrumvoid]

I am a townie.

[Mastermind of Sin]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]If there is more evidence against Y, but X gives more leads towards other players if turning up scum, then I still think it's a bad idea.[/quote]

If there is approximately the same evidence against Y and X, but X gives more leads towards finding scum in the future, which would you prefer to execute first?

[Yosarian2]

I'm trying to make up my mind. A Kingmaker claim would obviously help in that respect.

Ah...heh, I was wondering if you were checking to see if either one of them would claim hero.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

[quote="Mastermind of Sin"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]If there is more evidence against Y, but X gives more leads towards other players if turning up scum, then I still think it's a bad idea.[/quote]If there is approximately the same evidence against Y and X, but X gives more leads towards finding scum in the future, which would you prefer to execute first?[/quote]I think that the chance that the evidence against X and Y would be almost the same is nihil, so the comparisation is really irrelevant there.

[Zindaras]

I'm trying to make up my mind. A Kingmaker claim would obviously help in that respect.

Ah...heh, I was wondering if you were checking to see if either one of them would claim hero.

I don't know what I'd do if I'd see a Hero claim.

[Yosarian2]

The interesting thing is, I don't know if a hero on your LOE WOULD claim, unless you convinced him that YOU'RE town.

[VitaminR]

Right...

Well great.

I am a townie.

[Mastermind of Sin]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="Mastermind of Sin"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]If there is more evidence against Y, but X gives more leads towards other players if turning up scum, then I still think it's a bad idea.[/quote]If there is approximately the same evidence against Y and X, but X gives more leads towards finding scum in the future, which would you prefer to execute first?[/quote]I think that the chance that the evidence against X and Y would be almost the same is nihil, so the comparisation is really irrelevant there.[/quote]

I believe that SV and Fritzler are nearly equal in scumminess, so it's not irrelevant. I cannot decide which one is scummier, so I chose SV for more information.

[Thesp]

I'm disturbed by the people who are saying "spectrumvoid and Fritzler are equally scummy, so kill spectrumvoid because it'll get the most information", rather than actually trying to pressure Fritzler to get the information

that would be available

with a little effort. Do you think we're ever going to get information from Fritzler if we let him keep sliding like this?

I'm trying to make up my mind. A Kingmaker claim would obviously help in that respect.

Ah...heh, I was wondering if you were checking to see if either one of them would claim hero.

I get the feeling this is exactly what was going on.

[Yosarian2]

Thesp: Yeah, me too. I'm not getting a good feeling about Zinderas based on the way he's run his kingship so far today.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Can someone check who needs to be prodded and request for prods? I'm at work or I'd do it.

[Zindaras]

I don't really see what's wrong with my kingship. Also, I don't understand why you're jumping to conclusions about my request for claims.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't really see what's wrong with my kingship. Also, I don't understand why you're jumping to conclusions about my request for claims.

Damn, I didn't think his kingship was

that

scummy until he made this post...

[Cavane]

I don't see the point in claims at all in this setup. If the Kingmaker dies, someone else becomes it again, and they'll always be town. The Hero is more of a wildcard that just kills the king. If the King was scum, great. Either way, the hero will almost certainly die that night for being confirmed town. Everyone else is scum or townie. So yeah, what's the point?

[Zindaras]

I don't really see what's wrong with my kingship. Also, I don't understand why you're jumping to conclusions about my request for claims.

Damn, I didn't think his kingship was

that

scummy until he made this post...

Gah, I'm missing the point in every sinngle post on this page.

I don't see the point in claims at all in this setup. If the Kingmaker dies, someone else becomes it again, and they'll always be town. The Hero is more of a wildcard that just kills the king. If the King was scum, great. Either way, the hero will almost certainly die that night for being confirmed town. Everyone else is scum or townie. So yeah, what's the point?

The Kingmaker is a confirmed townie. Why execute someone you know to be town? Sure, if you kill the Kingmaker, we'll just get a new one, but we'd still have wasted the execution.

[RafK]

There was a point to making sure neither was the Kingmaker before dropping the hammer (although if I were them, I would have played that card some time after being on the LOE and being discussed as a serious execution candidate, rather than waiting to the very last second). I suppose if either was a recent replacement it might have also been helpful to see if they did something dumbass and claimed doc or something

At any rate, though, you've got your claims now. On with the show.

[Yosarian2]

There was a point to making sure neither was the Kingmaker before dropping the hammer (although if I were them, I would have played that card some time after being on the LOE and being discussed as a serious execution candidate, rather than waiting to the very last second).

Yeah, that's kind of why I was wondering if Zinderas was checking for a hero claim; I'd expect a kingmaker to have already claimed by that point, although he may have just been being thorough.