Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #600 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:03 pm

In post 596, davesaz wrote:
So BBT, how about that reads list? You seem so obsessed about what everyone else thinks, but seem to be dispensing your own ideas with a dropper.

OK Dave, because I am town I will comply with what I see as a very reasonable request. I would expect others to do the same had I asked such a pro-town and game-progressing question.

Town

Pea
------
Dave
Huntress
Josh
------
Scripten
Uct
Heph
------
MS
------
NPAU
Mala
GM

Scum

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #601 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:51 pm

In post 552, Malakittens wrote:
Also yes I do feel like silence makes a person look guiltier. So I rather you post random thoughts you deem as shit rather than nothing at all because even if you post things that
you
deem as shit others might not think so and it gives me a way into someone's head.

I have a feeling if players actually did this, you would accuse them of filler posts and not contributing.

In post 552, Malakittens wrote:I mean part of me thinks you might be town for backing off, but other part thinks you are scum realizing that my lynch might not happen as opportunistic as you would have liked it too and moved to someone who can

Posts like this is what makes me think you're scum. You literally just said before this that I might be town for backing off you. You then re-state it and then counter it by saying I could also be scum for backing off.

You don't provide anything solid. It's all wishy-washy so that you can change your opinion/direction in the game at any given moment.

In post 579, goodmorning wrote:If you consider something like a votecount to be similar to be a real post, then I sure have been posting elsewhere.

My technical difficulties have been resolved. Have restarted working on the reads. Wednesday is my at-school day, so I'm mildly tapped out atm but it should happen by/during tomorrow.

From what I remember of what I had before:
Zeb or whoever is in that slot is Town still, Sonic and npiau are still Scum.
Toffee and Mala lean Town.

I don't like that it has taken pressure and votes from other players for you to come in post. It feels like you were actively lurking and I don't like it.

I also don't like how my scum-reads keep scum-reading the same people I am.

Josh_B · Post Post #602 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:01 am

I'm not sure about NPAU anymore. I think there's unanimous consent that he's scum. I want to vote there, but I have to agree with Peabody on this one. Hephastus's vote looks the exorbitantly opportunistic. That's where I want to serious vote.

VOTE: Hephastus

I tried a re read on this game. Most of the accusations of town/scum are pretty null.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #603 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:45 am

In post 602, Josh_B wrote:I'm not sure about NPAU anymore. I think there's unanimous consent that he's scum. I want to vote there, but I have to agree with Peabody on this one. Hephastus's vote looks the exorbitantly opportunistic. That's where I want to serious vote.

VOTE: Hephastus

I tried a re read on this game. Most of the accusations of town/scum are pretty null.

What changed your read on NPAU?

Just the fact that Heph voted him?

Metal Sonic · Post Post #604 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:48 am

In post 600, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 596, davesaz wrote:
So BBT, how about that reads list? You seem so obsessed about what everyone else thinks, but seem to be dispensing your own ideas with a dropper.

OK Dave, because I am town I will comply with what I see as a very reasonable request. I would expect others to do the same had I asked such a pro-town and game-progressing question.

Town

Pea
------
Dave
Huntress
Josh
------
Scripten
Uct
Heph
------
MS
------
NPAU
Mala
GM

Scum

Did you say something about huntress being scummy or something earlier? Or did someone else say that?

Where is shinobi?

Why do you have Dave as a high town read?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #605 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:54 am

In post 604, Metal Sonic wrote:
Did you say something about huntress being scummy or something earlier? Or did someone else say that?

Where is shinobi?

Why do you have Dave as a high town read?

Knew I forgot someone. Insert Shinobi in the section where you currently are.

I may have mentioned something about Huntress being scummy early in the game, but I'm town-reading her right now.

Dave looks town to me. So, I'm town-reading him as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #606 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:58 am

I just ISO'd myself.

I didn't like some of Huntress' early posting but that's about it, I'm fairly confident she is town at this moment.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #607 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:00 am

MS, multiple people have taken issue with this post;

In post 450, Metal Sonic wrote:Npau has suddenly become a scum read based on 439.

And he is easier to kill than goodmorning

vote npau

Do you have a response?

Josh_B · Post Post #608 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:17 am

In post 603, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 602, Josh_B wrote:I'm not sure about NPAU anymore.
I think there's unanimous consent that he's scum.
I want to vote there, but I have to agree with Peabody on this one. Hephastus's vote looks the exorbitantly opportunistic. That's where I want to serious vote.

VOTE: Hephastus

I tried a re read on this game. Most of the accusations of town/scum are pretty null.

What changed your read on NPAU?

Just the fact that Heph voted him?

If he were scum, don't you think that at least one of his buddies would assist?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #609 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:28 am

In post 608, Josh_B wrote:
If he were scum, don't you think that at least one of his buddies would assist?

You actually think everybody is accusing NPAU of being scum?

Is that why he's only at L-3 or whatever it is?

Metal Sonic · Post Post #610 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:34 am

In post 607, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:MS, multiple people have taken issue with this post;

In post 450, Metal Sonic wrote:Npau has suddenly become a scum read based on 439.

And he is easier to kill than goodmorning

vote npau

Do you have a response?

I agree that I worded it strangely

But they are picking a mountain out of a molehill. Besides, if my read on npau is right, naturally his partners will try to save him. Well, partner, since gm is immobilized right now by my scum catching magic lasso

And then there are also the inquisitive/curious/naive/over zealous/dumb town

Metal Sonic · Post Post #611 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:35 am

In post 606, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I just ISO'd myself.

I didn't like some of Huntress' early posting but that's about it, I'm fairly confident she is town at this moment.

Nice. Except that I have been calling huntress town since the start of the game but at least you are improving

Metal Sonic · Post Post #612 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:38 am

Why is the deadline so disgustingly long lol

Metal Sonic · Post Post #613 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:40 am

Lol 3 weeks deadline

when I was running Artemis fowl mafia the deadline was 14 days and even there was losers replacing out like nobody's business, lol @21 days for a 13 player game seriously??

Metal Sonic · Post Post #614 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:40 am

Shit, can't change deadline in the middle of a game

/annoyed

Josh_B · Post Post #615 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:36 am

In post 609, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 608, Josh_B wrote:
If he were scum, don't you think that at least one of his buddies would assist?

You actually think everybody is accusing NPAU of being scum?

Is that why he's only at L-3 or whatever it is?

Let me give a detailed analysis. Because it's really easy to +NPAU +scum in the search bar.
I'll just list them as I find them

Sonic 450
BBT 600
Peabody 526
Huntress 373
Shinobi 583
Scripten 540
Hephestus 512
Goodmorning 279

I tried to get a better read on him, by asking about his play because he really wasn't trying to interact with anyone. I feel like he avoided that part twice, and once from Davesaz so I think he is pretty scummy.
Oh shit, that's 9 players
With missing definitive answers from
Malakittens
Ucitron- he's still in this game right?
and
Davesaz. I thought Davesaz said thought he was scum when reiterated my question 488 but maybe that was just scumhunting.

Malakittens · Post Post #616 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:54 am

In post 611, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 606, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I just ISO'd myself.

I didn't like some of Huntress' early posting but that's about it, I'm fairly confident she is town at this moment.

Nice. Except that I have been calling huntress town since the start of the game but at least you are improving

This might not be true. She might not be town, but I'm not sold on her being scum either, but sonic don't be super sure she's town, okay?

She's done both her scum tells, but has a tint of her towngame.

Usually when I waffle back and forth before a definitive read she's half the time scum. Usually can spot her towngame more quickly than this.

Malakittens · Post Post #617 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:56 am

Anyways, I like josh's point. Josh can sit in the town pile for now.

davesaz · Post Post #618 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:03 am

Confirming that NPAU is on the scum side of null for me.
Both observations on my 448 are correct, it's a statement of scumminess and scumhunting to do so. The (lack of) result does not look good for town NPAU.

I didn't expect BBT to be so obliging so quickly. This causes some reassessment (in the townward direction), though I also need to keep the principle in BBT's signature in mind.

pedit -- I'm very undecided on Huntress. I don't have experience of her previous games to work with and the behavior in this game doesn't really ping alignment in either direction.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #619 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:20 am

In post 615, Josh_B wrote:
Snip...

Only problems I have with that are;

Pea said he 'might' be scum. Not exactly a scum-read.
Huntress made a passing comment about myself and NPAU not being scum together. That doesn't equal a scum read.
Goodmorning also didn't state she was scum-reading NPAU, she said she could see joining his wagon. But I don't think she ever does.

However, that is still a good amount of the game scum-reading the same person and it will be worth keeping an eye on.

I also find it interesting that, given this information, NPAU has never had more than 4 people on his wagon.

hephaestus · Post Post #620 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:44 am

Hold up guys wait for me

VOTE: goodmorning

uctriton00 · Post Post #621 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:16 am

davesaz is town, as is metal sonic.

heph is anti-town, but still town.

goodmorning is still a good vote (i have a weird gut that says town goodmorning would be a lot less brash and more helpful other than saying I'm trying, but for the life of me I can't find which game/s we shared for evidence), and plus there's confirmation bias from voting MS.

Scripten · Post Post #622 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:24 am

I really don't like this goodmorning wagon. I feel like if she was scum, she'd be trying harder to get it off herself. That said, it'd be nice to see more activity from her. Heph does look pretty suspicious, as well. I'm wondering why the NPAU wagon broke up as soon as someone mentioned that it was unanimous. (It wasn't.)

uctriton00:

Why do you read Heph as town?

hephaestus · Post Post #623 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:11 am

Eh. If goodmorning is town we can lynch MS scum tomorrow. It's day 1 not LyLo

Scripten · Post Post #624 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:19 am

In post 623, hephaestus wrote:Eh. If goodmorning is town we can lynch MS scum tomorrow. It's day 1 not LyLo

So are you also intending on clearing MS if GM is scum?