NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

[TheWayItEnds]

Right but I also mean that the Maf Doc would also have to be restricted if AP is indeed town.

Because having our nurse become a full doc would also not be a thing that could happen this game.

So having opposing restrictions would make a lot of sense to me?

So like odd rb and even doc?

Because I really dont understand why you would ever kill MVP if you could just rb him.

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Also I'm pretty sure TSO is scum claiming on this page.

But we should ignore that for now.

[TheWayItEnds]

or... on the last page now.

w/e

[Cephrir]

Right but I also mean that the Maf Doc would also have to be restricted if AP is indeed town.

Because having our nurse become a full doc would also not be a thing that could happen this game.

I have never actually considered how an odd night protective role, or something of the like, would interact with a nurse. Hmph.

So having opposing restrictions would make a lot of sense to me?

So like odd rb and even doc?

Because I really dont understand why you would ever kill MVP if you could just rb him.

I think it may actually be legitimately safe to say that they could not RB him. Only alternative scenario, IMO, is a convoluted plot involving a rolecop on scrambles night 1.

Also I'm pretty sure TSO is scum claiming on this page.

But we should ignore that for now.

What's the scum motivation for weirdly flipping on me after the things he said earlier today? I'm not saying I don't believe there is any so much as that it bears discussion.

[goodmorning]

unlike the useless fucking birds that sing just because the fucking sun is up, i don't want to give a shit unless there's something necessary

Votecount 4.1

Cephrir [L-4] - T S O

Not Voting [8] - ika, Cephrir, Izariael, Aegor, Cabd, Mirhawk, TheWayItEnds, AngryPidgeon

With 9 alive, it takes

5

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2014-09-30 17:00:00).

[Aegor]

I feel disinclined to believe Cabd.

Discuss.

[Cephrir]

Discussion: "So do I".

[Mirhawk]

I didn't realize both heads wanted me dead, I thought it was just Titus.
Also if this is the logic you're lynching on I want you to lynch Cephrir tomorrow.

Is there a reason you stopped pushing this today?

No way.

If you lynch me you're not lynching Cabd after.

Can we talk about this too?

I thought Toomai was scum. I'm obviously misreading the situation, so I'm not commiting to my prior scumread. We have lots of time to examine the situation so I see no need to rush.

My desire to not lynch Cabd was mostly based on the fact that he wasn't Cephrir.

I don't really have anything to add, I'm just waiting to see what Cabd says.

[Cephrir]

Still not really sure what I ever did to get you so stuck on that

[Mirhawk]

Attitude mostly.

You never committed to very many reads. But made lots of sideline comments (especially near the beginning of the game).

You often make fairly flippant posts, between your scumhunting posts. Which can sometimes be rather far apart.

It was mostly the way you were acting, not the actual things you said.

Oh and you kept claiming you weren't scum.

Which is exactly what scum would say!

[Cephrir]

Well that's just me for you :/

Other than the claiming I'm not scum part, you've got me pretty much nailed to the wall there!

[T S O]

Right but I also mean that the Maf Doc would also have to be restricted if AP is indeed town.

Because having our nurse become a full doc would also not be a thing that could happen this game.

So having opposing restrictions would make a lot of sense to me?

So like odd rb and even doc?

Because I really dont understand why you would ever kill MVP if you could just rb him.

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Also I'm pretty sure TSO is scum claiming on this page.

But we should ignore that for now.

that's nice. do you want to explain that, or will it become unexplained bullshit statement #8?

I stand by that theory and I have every intention of rubbing it in your face postgame if it's right.

[TheWayItEnds]

What's the scum motivation for weirdly flipping on me after the things he said earlier today? I'm not saying I don't believe there is any so much as that it bears discussion.

Alright then we can discuss it.

I dont see us lynching TSO today at any rate regardless, but here's why those posts are shit.

I don't get it - we're missing something here.

This is not an aimless post.
This is a leading post.
This post is followed in one minute by this post.

Depraved Justice was blocked n1 even though they were killing him. That means either he was roleblocked or his kill was stopped.

Which adds absolutely no new information or analysis of any kind.
Which is fine except its followed immediately by this post:

And that was why we lynched reinoe, of course.

But what if we were wrong? What if the hydra had mentioned a Mafioso in their vigpool and scum wouldn't take the risk?

Which is the worst post in the whole sequence.

First, no. Thats not why WE lynched Reinoe. Thats not even why YOU lynched Reinoe. No one on the Reinoe wagon even brought that up. No one, including you.

Second, thank you for pushing the angle I brought up days ago in terms of Mirhawk, and that I brought up again today in terms of Cephrir as a new idea.

We are vigging between Mirhawk Cephir and Reinoe.

We aren't vigging Aegor. Period. We probably aren't vigging Reinoe.

MOTHER OF FUCKING GOD

The most interesting part of this post is the timestamp.

The one that takes the place in the same minute as the last post.

You went and found this quote and made this post in less than a minute, BUT YOU DIDNT HAVE TIME TO TAKE THE SAME 30 SECONDS TO SEE THE SEVERAL TIMES THAT DJ STATED HIS PREFFERED VIG TARGETS BEFORE TUNNELLING TOWN ALL DAY??

BULLSHIT: Population You.

UNVOTE
VOTE: CEPHRIR

I mislynched reinoe on that and NO-ONE POINTED IT OUT

NO-ONE POINTED OUT THAT HE WASN'T THE TARGET

Still no one pointed this out because it wasnt part of your case. Like ever.

It was part of my Mirhawk case yesterday.

And I brought it up in reference to Ceph today.

But you acting like this is the first time this idea has been presented to the class is fucking great.

Vote this, now.

If you're keeping track.

This post takes place 4 minutes after his initial post in this sequence.

You know that one that sounds really aimless?

The one that tried to make it seem like this wasnt ending in a vote for Ceph when he started.

Because he was just discovering the posts that led to that.

Because in those 4 minutes he still had time to go through an ISO.

And make 7 posts.

And discover a new scum read organically.

It was a really good 4 minutes.

[Cabd]

Good morning. Catching up.

[TheWayItEnds]

I stand by that theory and I have every intention of rubbing it in your face postgame if it's right.

And I would give you the same reaction as the one I have now.

First I'd look at day 2.

Then I'd shake my head sadly.

Then I'd reread the post I made to Mirhawk asking him why he no longer wants to push for the Ceph lynch on the grounds that you are apparently 3 days behind in discovering. You know, because Mirhawk is confirmed town in every situation except 1 despite his shitty ISO.

Then I'd look at the post where I mention to Ceph that my setup spec has me looking at him based on the vig list earlier today.

Then I'd look at the posts you made where you act like you just solved the sphinxs riddle by overdramatically reiterating points that I've already made.

THEN I'D LAUGH IN YOUR FUCKING FACE.

[Cabd]

So I was thinking AP was a general backup, not a nurse. That totally shifts things around.


Possibilities I see here:

Setup A (AP is actually scum doc):

Spoiler:

Town Vig
Town Gunsmith
Town Even-Night Gunsmith
Town Odd-Night Bodyguard
Vanillas

Mafia Doctor
Mafia RB OR Mafia Redirector
Goon
Goon

Setup B (AP is a nurse, there's a scum doc):

Spoiler:

Town Vig
Town Gunsmith
Town Even-Night Gunsmith
Town Odd-Night Bodyguard
Town Nurse
Vanillas

Mafia Doctor
Mafia RB/Redirector
Mafia encryptor maybe?
Goon

Setup C (AP is a nurse red herring, there is no scum doc):

Spoiler:

Town Vig
Town Gunsmith
Town Even-Night Gunsmith
Town Odd-Night Bodyguard
Town Nurse (effectively a named townie)
Vanillas

Mafia Jailkeeper
Mafia... BP?
Some other PR... redirector or encryptor
Goon

Pretty sure it's A or B. B makes sense ish given the "scum power" getting a boost from gunsmith CCs. I basically expect this setup to be super high town power because of this:

(Reviewers: N, Cogito Ergo Sum,

Empking

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And the normal group's bast statement of what they consider "fair"

[TheWayItEnds]

Did you protect N1?

Cabd, spit it out.

This game has a 4 man scum team, I'm a PR, and if what i think is right is right, then I have a backup role to me out there.

This doesnt look like general backup to me.

[Cephrir]

Ooh. I rarely think to consider timestamps (except my own sometimes when I'm scum). That's a really good point, I don't think that thought process looks particularly real.

Cabd/ika/TSO/Aegor??

Doesn't feel totally right, but it's something I can work with.

[Cabd]

Did you protect N1?

Cabd, spit it out.

This game has a 4 man scum team, I'm a PR, and if what i think is right is right, then I have a backup role to me out there.

This doesnt look like general backup to me.

Yes. AP.

And "general backup" was the wrong term given that there's an actual role out there by that name. I thought he was some sort of secondary protective role, and I setup spec'd that he was only going to start working after my death. GM is fond of backup roles of various sorts (skypechat meta)

[T S O]

He is so fucking scum.

[Cephrir]

That's not actually a believable response to getting utterly demolished.

[T S O]

That thought process genuinely 100% happened in 4 minutes, but I knew it would somehow be brought up to discredit me.

[T S O]

Shut the fuck up, you're still getting hung today.

[Cephrir]

Did you protect N1?

Cabd, spit it out.

This game has a 4 man scum team, I'm a PR, and if what i think is right is right, then I have a backup role to me out there.

This doesnt look like general backup to me.

Yes. AP.

And "general backup" was the wrong term given that there's an actual role out there by that name. I thought he was some sort of secondary protective role, and I setup spec'd that he was only going to start working after my death. GM is fond of backup roles of various sorts (skypechat meta)

I have to question whether this role as stated would be normal.

[T S O]

Ooh. I rarely think to consider timestamps (except my own sometimes when I'm scum). That's a really good point, I don't think that thought process looks particularly real.

Cabd/ika/TSO/Aegor??

Doesn't feel totally right, but it's something I can work with.

Does anyone, anyone at all, think this seems remotely genuine? As in, 1%? I fucking don't.

[Cephrir]

That thought process genuinely 100% happened in 4 minutes, but I knew it would somehow be brought up to discredit me.

No, you didn't.

Explain how you managed to think that was an original thought.