Mini Normal 1609: The Case Of Doctor Pepper (Game Over)

[Csareo]

No one is using meta but you.
Everytime we accuse you of something you say "That's my playstyle".
Are you intentionally being a blatant hypocrite?

[Csareo]

This guy must have an IQ of 5.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You used meta to support your lynch (subjectively)

Pretty sure TTH has referred to my meta as well.

[Wake1]

Saying you don't have daychat shouldn't imply you have nightchat.

Wait a minute.

It should imply you have Nightchat if you say you don't have Daychat, because otherwise how you gonna chat? Only in the pre-game?

Explain a bit further, please, because now you've got me looking in your direction a bit, too.

[Wake1]

Please stop with the personal attacks.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I've read enough of your past games to know your meta is off.
You're usually extremely eager to scum hunt, have a high activity volume, and are constantly asking questions.
I'm not seeing any of that here. You remind me of my time as noob scum.

Sheeping every wagon, being reactionary to those who scum read me, lots of ATE.
My biggest scum tell is extreme theme analysis to fake scum hunting, but that doesn't really apply here.

Is this you not using meta?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I still think BBT is likely scum. I had doubts a while ago and tried to make myself happy with a townread on him, but failed for a few reasons. There's

still

the neighbor meta and I absolutely hate the Csareo vote. The whole "reactive is my meta" isn't doing much for me either since that was his go-to line when I called him out on it in Chosen Mafia.

Is this TTH not using meta?

[Csareo]

Saying you don't have daychat shouldn't imply you have nightchat.

Wait a minute.

It should imply you have Nightchat if you say you don't have Daychat, because otherwise how you gonna chat? Only in the pre-game?

Explain a bit further, please, because now you've got me looking in your direction a bit, too.

That was my original assumption, considering BBT said it was pre chat several times.
The comment on "night" chat got me offguard tbh.

[Green Crayons]

So the only new thing I see on the horizon is Jagged's Doogal case.


And I guess if Omph wants to play.

[Flubbernugget]

HEY GUYS. FOR ONE MINUTE. LETS PRETEND THIS WHOLE NEIGHBOR/SCUM PT THING ISN'T COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID. WHAT IF BBT/TTH JUST DECIDE TO TYPE WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT AND SAY THE MOD QUOTED IT. Unless I somehow missed that this is a modkillable offense WE NEED TO ACTUALLY FUCKING SCUMHUNT. YA'KNO? SCUMHUNTING? THAT THING WHERE YOU ACTUALLY TRY TO ANALYZE PEOPLE'S INTENTIONS? YEAH. LETS DO THAT BEFORE I GET ARRESTED FOR KILLING MY SHIFT KEY. IT HAS FEELINGS TOO GUYS.

[Anatole Kuragin]

you know that saying "we should scumhunt" isn't scumhunting, right?

[Green Crayons]

Vote Count 1.07

BlueBloodedToffee(6)

– TellTaleHeart, Flubbernugget, Csareo, Boonskiies, Doogal121, Wake88

Csareo(5)

– Omph, The Rufflig, Green Crayons, BlueBloodedToffee, massive

JaggedAppliance(1)

– Anatole Kuragin

Not Voting(1)

- JaggedAppliance[/area]

If Csareo is town, BBT is scum: lol BBT isn't scum so I'm not even going to think hard about a scenario that isn't plausible
If Csareo is scum, BBT is town: TTH and Doogal are pretty high on my list of suspects, considering play and wagon timing.
If Csareo is town, BBT is town: TTH OR Doogal, Ruffling OR massive (OR maaaybe Omph -- I'm not digging his complete absence), and I feel like I should say Anatole OR Jagged, but I like their posting so it hurts me to say that

My "or" pairings in the town/town scenario do not necessarily exclude the other party, I just paired the players from each wagon who strike me as most suspicious in a town/town scenario based off of game memory of everyone's play.


Let's see. I didn't mention Flubber, Boon, Wake, or myself in the above, so I'm town reading those folks. (Feeling p solid about all of those except Boon, who appears to have have turned on a dime, and was convinced to such a degree by Csareo's single post summarizing his case against BBT that Boon began reading Csareo as town, is . . . questionable.)

Obviously from the above, I'm also town reading BBT.

I'm throwing Anatole and Jagged into the strong lean town category, because I like the town feel of their posting, but I also recognize that their posting feels somewhat safe.

[Green Crayons]

What we need is a flip for additional scum hunting. (shrug)

[Bert]

Vote Count 1.08

BlueBloodedToffee(6)

– TellTaleHeart, Flubbernugget, Csareo, Boonskiies, Doogal121, Wake88

Csareo(5)

– Omph, The Rufflig, Green Crayons, BlueBloodedToffee, massive

JaggedAppliance(1)

– Anatole Kuragin

Not Voting(1)

- JaggedAppliance

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch
New deadline is on Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-28 11:00:00)}

Mod notes:

Please let me know if you ever see any errors.
Wake88 is V/LA until the 22nd
Doogal121 is V/LA Tuesday, September 23rd.[/area]

[Flubbernugget]

you know that saying "we should scumhunt" isn't scumhunting, right?

Neither is this quip right here.

I suggest we lynch BBT, and try to start tomorrow fresh with some sexy wagon information. What do you suggest?

[massive]

We're just learning about it being in night now.
Somethings off.

Wake being obtuse about this nonsense, I guess I understand. You needling him and pushing him on, KNOXK IT OFF.

[The Rufflig]

Why can't you put pressure on Csareo or me yourself? What do YOU have to say on the subject?

When I brought up Csareo's lack of town reads (post #794), he responded thus:

Let's get something straight.
The ONLY two people I would consider lynching today are BBT and maybe massive.
I am null reading/town reading everyone else.
I am suspicious of a few people reacting to BBT's wagon, but they're null until there is an actual flip.

Wake88 had shown he will put Csareo at L-1. Wake88 is able to put more pressure on Csareo for an answer than I can.

As for pressuring you myself,

Rufflig, you said you had some questions for me about my posts - was it just my posts about Csareo or did you have other questions?

Well, the back and forth on Csareo was one of the main things that I was curious about. I'll admit your answer did not help me. I was rather hoping to get some insight into how you were approaching your reads or the game or something. So, let me try again. Other than Jagged Alliance, who are you currently scum reading?

I already had an outstanding question out for you. I'm sure you simply missed it during the post explosion over the weekend. However, I wasn't really getting anywhere with my read on you, so I asked for a little help.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I suggest we lynch BBT, and try to start tomorrow fresh with some sexy wagon information. What do you suggest?

Given that the only people not on a major wagon, Jagged and AK, are town-reading me and everyone else is on the Csareo wagon or my wagon, it's probably safe to assume I won't be getting lynched today.

[Csareo]

A vote flip is out of the question? I got to say, this is the scummiest static wagon I've seen. Ever.
I've been playing for two years, and you're getting carried through by your scumbuddies.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, I don't think I am. I'm pretty sure scum are on my wagon.

Do you think someone could justify leaving one of our wagons to join the other after all this time? Because I don't.

[massive]

Csareo, Boon: If both of you think scum are driving your wagon, who are they? Who's scum on the other person's wagon?

[massive]

sorry, Csareo, BBT even.

Just to continue my thought process from Boon above:

Green Crayons

, why are you town-reading Boon?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can see Csareo, Boon and maybe Doogal as scum on my wagon.

[massive]

But nobody on Csareo's wagon?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If Csareo is scum, I don't see why scum would buss in this situation.

If Csareo is town, I could see scum split between the wagons. But that seems unlikely.