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[Csareo]

I still want TTH to post the moderators opening post, although it is very possible it could be edited anyways.

Spoiler: Neighborhood PT

BBT:
Post #1 (ISO) » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:26 pm
Hey TTH,

Any plans on how to start the day?

TTH:
Post #2 (ISO) » Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:36 pm
None

TTH
Post #3 (ISO) » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:19 pm
I haven't had any games with him, but I've read a couple games with Wake88 and I've seen his posts around the forum (particularly Mafia Discussion). To my understanding, he's a pretty divisive player.

Have you played with Wake88 before and how do you go about tackling a read like that?

BBT:
Post #4 (ISO) » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:35 pm
You haven't had any games with who?

I have no completed games with Wake so I have no idea how to approach him. Is there a reason you have specifically chosen Wake to speak about?

How many of the players do you know?

TTH:
Post #5 (ISO) » Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:03 pm

In post 4, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You haven't had any games with who?



Wake88

BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I have no completed games with Wake so I have no idea how to approach him. Is there a reason you have specifically chosen Wake to speak about?



Because from the games I have read of his, he's a particularly divisive player due to his... abrasiveness? I suppose that's the nice word for it.

BlueBloodedToffee wrote:How many of the players do you know?



I know you and Flubbernugget. I've read a couple GreyICE games.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can do Csareo's for him.

Town - ...

Null - Everyone but BBT

Scum - BBT.

[Boonskiies]

He's town reading most people, BBT. We've been through this.

@Csareo - you aren't allowed to quote the Mod.

[Boonskiies]

I can do Csareo's for him.

Town - ...

Null - Everyone but BBT

Scum - BBT.

This is why I'm totally against Csareo being lynched. We've literally talked about this pages ago, with BBT involved, and Csareo already stated he had a couple scum reads along with more town reads than null. Also, BBT is willing to do Csareo's reads, but isn't willing to do his own? Come on...

[Csareo]

Csareo and BBT, since your heads are on the chopping block I'd like each of you to give some thorough reads.

I'm actually not worried about being lynched, as if I am, I'm sure people will eventually piece things together. I really want to see the BBT wagon out.
Massive has me the wrong way for lurking. I have concerns with those who are defending BBT, and the cases they are bringing forward.
They only make sense to me if BBT is scum, which is why I'm not accusing GC and Massive of anything until I see what BBT flips.

I am town reading Ruffling, Boonskies, and Anatole
I am scum reading BBT and gut on Flubber.
Everyone else is null until I see what BBT flips.

If BBT flips scum, then I'm looking at TTH, GC, and Massive
If he flips town, then I'll have to look at Boonskies.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BlueBloodedToffee(5)

– TellTaleHeart, Flubbernugget, Csareo, Boonskiies, Doogal121

Csareo(5)

– Omph, The Rufflig, Green Crayons, BlueBloodedToffee, massive

Aww man, look how scummy my wagon is.

An intermittent TTH who is strangely staying out of the way even though she was the first to want me lynched. Like, she is doing very little to push this lynch through.

Flubber - an active lurker

Csareo - Mr. Tunnel Vision

Boon - Very little contribution outside of wanting me lynched

Doogal - Active lurker.

Look how townie Csareo's wagon looks.

Seriously. Look at those wagons.

[Csareo]

I don't get why a neighborhood PT before the game starts would be in existence. It seems extremely rare and unusual.
How many times would that ever be used, and why would the moderator feel the need to make one?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

EBWOP - Csareo - Mr. Tunnel Vision/Scum-Slipper.

[Csareo]

And I'm ignoring BBT because I no longer have the motivation to deal with this.
He does have a point about flubber and doogal, but there is no assurance they are lurking.
Both of them haven't posted anywhere else on the site to my knowledge, and I wouldn't be suprised if they were as sick of this game as I am.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I am also sick of this game.

AtE. Oh yeah.

[Csareo]

http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEz ... holson.gif
Eveytime he talks this is how I feel

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Haha, I actually laughed out loud.

Sorry man, but you're chasing the wrong guy.

Look at those wagons.

[Csareo]

You are a shining look alike of American politicians.
When it doesn't make sense, resort to baseless rhetoric and repetition,
Which may be your meta...... oh wait, I can't use that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You can use it.

But you have to use it properly and objectively.

Not subjectively like you tried last time.

[Csareo]

You're a hypocrite.

Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah. I don't like meta. I don't use meta.

All I ask is that if someone is going to insist on using a poor scum-hunting tool that they use it objectively and correctly.

Which you didn't do.

[Green Crayons]

@Doogal:

(1) Observation: You claimed ignorance about game mechanics in Post 40, going so far to make a joke (?) about whether TTH and BBT being "neighbors" is a game mechanic or a IRL aspect of their play. Then, in your very next post, Post 110, you appear very knowledgeable about game mechanics, including how a survivor role was implemented into a neighbor scenario.

Question: What explains this broad discrepancy in your knowledge about roles generally, and the neighbor role specifically?


(2) Observation: In Post 164, you faulted BBT for "randomly sheep<ing> instead of engage and pressure." It would appear that you are referring to BBT's vote for scrambles (Post 155), which BBT explained as being a vote for a lurker (Post 157, Post 159). I scrolled through the previous pages, and it does not appear that anyone else was voting for scrambles before BBT's post.

Question: How was BBT's lurker vote on scrambles "sheeping," and how did it not try to "engage and pressure" scrambles to provide substantive content to the thread?


(3) Observation: In Post 164 and Post 375, you mention your willingness to vote GreyICE, but only upon other people's approval of your suspicions.

Question (A): Why were you making a GreyICE vote contingent upon the approval of other players?

Question (B): What changed by Post 535, when you finally vote switched to GreyICE? (Only Anatole had voted GreyICE at this time, and a quick skim of the preceding pages reveals that GreyICE was not on anyone's mind.)


(4) Observation: You said:

BBT however is now pushing on a lurker when we have plenty of scuminess to deal with.

Question: What other players constituted this "plenty" of scum candidates at that time? How about now?

[Wake1]

@Csareo - you aren't allowed to quote the Mod.

Do you refer to 900?

[Wake1]

What's your read on me, Csareo? Boonskiies and BBT can chime in on this, too.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Prob town

[Wake1]

I can do Csareo's for him.

Town - ...

Null - Everyone but BBT

Scum - BBT.

This is why I'm totally against Csareo being lynched. We've literally talked about this pages ago, with BBT involved, and Csareo already stated he had a couple scum reads along with more town reads than null. Also, BBT is willing to do Csareo's reads, but isn't willing to do his own? Come on...

My instincts are telling me there's at least one Scum among Csareo, Boonskiies, and BBT. Don't remember this, everybody.

[Wake1]

Prob town

Elaborate, please.

Why?

[Csareo]

I already gave my read on you.
You are null, although I played with the idea of a scum wake already.
See post #904 for my full set of reads.

[Wake1]

Csareo, BBT, what do you think of Boonskiies flattery towards me early on in this game?

Does he normally do that?

Would any of you be willing to lynch Flubbernugget today? I'd like to know where he is on your radars.

[Csareo]

Wake, if you believe that to be true, then who do you think is aligned with each other?
To me, GC and massive would be aligned with BBT.
Boonskies would be aligned with me.
I would be aligned with boonskies.

I take it you had a similar train of thought?