Mini Normal 1609: The Case Of Doctor Pepper (Game Over)

[Csareo]

Hold on, I'm making one last case for BBT.
I'm honestly giving up if it falls on deaf ears.

[Csareo]

I have found it difficult to play true mafia on this site.
In my experience, the best way to find scum on D1 is to look for patterns.
A scum tell, in reality, is a pattern that mafia often makes.
And yes, just like meta, it isn't always objective, but they do always exist.
The trick is to look at players and see if they repeat certain behaviors.
"Pressure X and react Y"
If the player repeats such actions to the point where a pattern is established, then you can begin to use that knowledge to either town read or scum read other players.
Now as much as I would like to buy into this funny game of "associative tells" and all that fun jazz, it isn't in our best interests to keep thinking so short shortsightedly.

The main reason I want to lynch BBT is because I discovered a firm pattern, that is being repeated over and over.
Now hear my case, and hear it well.

BBT has a tendency to do the same things over and over. When a player starts to tunnel him, he reacts by voting the player that is putting on the pressure (TTH, Wake88, Csareo, boon).
As soon as the player tunneling relaxes pressure, or the push seems to be counter intuitive, BBT proceeds to join an opportunistic wagon (scrambles, boon, anatole, tth again, me twice, once opportunistic)
It has also became clear that the same players start becoming active whenever he begins to be tunneled again (massive, greencrayons, ruffles)
In addition to this three way pattern we have saw dozens of times already, there is a shockingly similar transparency between two cases, "ruffles and green crayons".
This pattern alone warrants a policy lynch just to unearth the scum on his wagon.
At this rate, the only possibilities left are "BBT is town being protected by scum, or scum being protected by scum.
Now the only reason I doubt this LOR, is because there are two strong wagons right now, and if scum were trying to establish a town bloc on a player, it wouldn't of happened in this context (given I know I'm town).

Which leaves one possibility. BBT is scum being protected by other scum players. It is the only thing that makes sense.
Scum are always trying to form in a town bloc, and the only time that changes is when they need to defend scum against town.
Right now, with two wagons going on, you better be sure one of us is scum, and I know that isn't me.

[Wake1]

Everyone, analyze 801 for any hidden codes, tricks, or cryptic messages.

[Boonskiies]

The main reason I want to lynch BBT is because I discovered a firm pattern, that is being repeated over and over.

Which leaves one possibility. BBT is scum being protected by other scum players. It is the only thing that makes sense.
Scum are always trying to form in a town bloc, and the only time that changes is when they need to defend scum against town.

Right now, with two wagons going on, you better be sure one of us is scum, and I know that isn't me.

1: ALSO A PATTERN WHERE HE REPEATS EXACTLY THE SAME WORDS BEING SAID EVERYTIME!!

Sorry, had to get that out of my system.

2:

Two wagons going on, we better be sure one is scum. Are

you

sure that one of them is scum? Let's say BBT flips town, what/who would you go about pursuing after? Take this lightly, as I believe BBT is scum as well.

[Csareo]

In other words, there are two wagons going on, and on D1, usually one would of been tipped by scum now.
They've had about a dozen pages to defend either me or BBT, and usually at this point scum would just finish one of the players off, and have a solid town read simply for defending a now dead townie.
I highly doubt scum would draw it out for this long, which makes me believe scum are defending one of the two wagons.

Given the shit cases being thrown at me, and the multitude of scum tells committed by BBT, it is clear who we have to lynch.
At this point, we're pretty much fighting an uphill battle to get scum to finally bus.

[Boonskiies]

Just so everyone's aware,

BBT and Csareo are both at L-2.

[Csareo]

@Boonskies, I don't think it's even a question at this point.
Scum knows who town is. Usually scum try to defend a townie before he is mislynched, and join in the middle of the wagon, or near the end.
The static wagon is fishy, and it could only be the work of a reactionary mafia team or inactive scum.

If BBT does flip town, then it is probably a result of inactive scum.

[Csareo]

Never, has this kind of deadlock happened on D1 and one of the wagons not be scum.
I trust the players to work out the obv scum.
Of course, many players are also guilty of relying on associative tells. Wake,GC, and Ruffling being among them.

[Csareo]

I'm also worried that if BBT does flip scum, I'll be NK'd.

[Boonskiies]

In other words, there are two wagons going on, and on D1, usually one would of been tipped by scum now.
They've had about a dozen pages to defend either me or BBT, and usually at this point scum would just finish one of the players off, and have a solid town read simply for defending a now dead townie.
I highly doubt scum would draw it out for this long, which makes me believe scum are defending one of the two wagons.

Given the shit cases being thrown at me, and the multitude of scum tells committed by BBT, it is clear who we have to lynch.
At this point, we're pretty much fighting an uphill battle to get scum to finally bus.

BlueBloodedToffee

: TellTaleHeart, Flubbernugget, Csareo, Boonskiies, Doogal121

Csareo

: Omph, The Rufflig, Green Crayons, massive, BlueBloodedToffee


You gave a possibility of scum defending a townie, but you also explained why it isn't possible. If scum was defending a town, they would have easily been convinced to switch their votes. We seem to all be standing strong on what side we are on. In that case, if BlueBlooded is scum, who do you believe is on his scum team defending him?


PEdit:

Doogal/AK haven't been around lately. Scrambles/GreyIce slot seem off to me. Especially considering Omph didn't unvote after joining in and we haven't seen him since. Also scrambles was kind of random and didn't back anything else up. Definitely worth looking into tomorrow.

[Boonskiies]

I was pretty much posting the first part of my post for confirmation as to if I was correct to why you thought scum defending town wasn't possible. ^

[Csareo]

It's pointless to point fingers before a flip has been decided.
I've complained enough about GC and Ruffling's associative tells already.
But if BBT flipped scum, I would look closely at GC and Massive.
Went back and forth on ruffling, not sure, so null, kind of town.

There's a chance that GC joined late, and found my post activity an easy way to justify a vote.
Then got stubborn and didn't back down when questioned. I noticed her entry gave BBT more vigor.
Massive has me the wrong way though.

Again, if BBT flips town, it is do to an inactive scum team. Yet this isn't likely do to the reasons we are scum reading BBT.
It seems greyice shut out of the game. If a townie slips he goes inactive, and when mafia slips, they get stubborn.

[Csareo]

@Boonskies, I guess it is possible, just very unlikely.
As you said, both wagons are standing strong in their votes (despite how stupid one of them is).
Don't you feel scum would of switched wagons already, 32 pages in with both wagons at L-2?
There is a pattern in what BBT does and how the people voting me react.
That seals my theory that BBT is being defended by scum.

[Csareo]

Actually, fuck it, why don't me and BBT just claim now?

[Boonskiies]

TTH auto claimed for BBT. Neighbor. Unless he's scum he has nothing else to claim.

[Boonskiies]

Not trying to bring the neighbor back up, but he has already claimed.

[Csareo]

Lol, well I was actually seeing if I could catch BBT offguard, given he's active around 6 am, and I thought no one would remind him in the next 4 hours.

[Boonskiies]

Oh...well. Oops...

[Csareo]

Let's not even mention the neighborhood again. That's a mess I'm going to try and forget.
It is simply to confusing...... and the players are already, obviously confused.

[Boonskiies]

I just want to get to day 2 already for new information. We've been rehashing the same thing for the past 20 pages.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Csareo, you don't have to worry about me flipping scum. It's not going to happen, but you already know that. Amirite?

I would guess the scum are on my wagon and trying to push my lynch through before Csareo's.

[Csareo]

Csareo, you don't have to worry about me flipping scum. It's not going to happen, but you already know that. Amirite?

I would guess the scum are on my wagon and trying to push my lynch

through before Csareo's

.

Okay, so here is exactly why you're being scum read.
You make a statement accusing me of being scum, but also claim scum is both trying to push a lynch on you...... then me?
Not only does that line of reasoning contradict itself, and your vote on me, but it straight up doesn't make sense

All that aside, this is another mistake not to different from TTH's. It heavily implicates that you are well aware of a scum motivated push on me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Okay, so here is exactly why you're being scum read.
You make a statement accusing me of being scum, but also claim scum is both trying to push a lynch on you...... then me?
Not only does that line of reasoning contradict itself, and your vote on me, but it straight up doesn't make sense

All that aside, this is another mistake not to different from TTH's. It heavily implicates that you are well aware of a scum motivated push on me.

Can you read?

I said scum are trying to push my lynch through before yours. That is to say, scum are trying to make sure I am lynched D1, and not you. Capiche?

[Csareo]

Okay, so here is exactly why you're being scum read.
You make a statement accusing me of being scum, but also claim scum is both trying to push a lynch on you...... then me?
Not only does that line of reasoning contradict itself, and your vote on me, but it straight up doesn't make sense

All that aside, this is another mistake not to different from TTH's. It heavily implicates that you are well aware of a scum motivated push on me.

Can you read?

I said scum are trying to push my lynch through before yours. That is to say, scum are trying to make sure I am lynched D1, and not you. Capiche?

The word "before" implies that I'll be lynched after. Does it not?

[Csareo]

Which is admitting I'm not scum...... yet you have a vote on me.