Open 571- Pick Your Poison Game over

[Anatole Kuragin]

Anatole seems solely focused on KB right now. I would like to see his input on some of the other players.

So why didn't you just ask me what I thought of any particular player instead of this comment that doesn't directly request anything or give any of your actual thoughts on any part of the game?

[reinoe]

Anatole seems solely focused on KB right now. I would like to see his input on some of the other players.

So why didn't you just ask me what I thought of any particular player instead of this comment that doesn't directly request anything or give any of your actual thoughts on any part of the game?

He's scum and he's been doing that all DP. Making comments that look like he's doing something but he's really not doing anything. You should put your vote on him.

[Matsumi Sisters]

So i was talking with yuu (pieguy) about the game, and was wondering why Ankamius has a scumread on pie despite me trusting him to get an accurate read on the slot, but yuu said that him getting a scumread on her is... normal? And convinced me that Ankamius is most likely town and that his mistake was based on him changing his playstyle.
I disagree with yuu about reinoe tho.
I'm going to talk with my sister about AK and Alchemist later, randomiget is pinging me atm.

- Kuro.

[Krystal Bald]

I hate people that defend themselves by saying "I don't do much day one." They tend to continue on to not do anything.

Yeah but why is it scummy, I see town doing that shit every game.

[Randomnamechange]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: aphix
Trying to hop on an easy lynch without proper reasons to vote me.

[Alchemist21]

Please can people show why their votes are on me rather than stating something which I can't defend against as I genuinely don't understand it.
Fluminator I have a tendency to not do much Day 1. I said this earlier.
Aphix you didn't explain your vote.
Doublade your vote was OMGUS.
Ankamius you said you disliked part of one of my posts. Why did this make you think I was scum.
I think I have 4 votes on me at the moment,
.

You never explained your vote on Doublade and your vote on Aphix is pretty OMGUS.

That aphix vote you just pulled is scummy as hell, and you don't have to read much to figure out he had the same basic reason as everyone else on your wagon - you're not making much effort to scumhunt. You read people as town for doing that, but you're not doing much of it yourself, and you admitted to it. For that, I'm placing my vote on you.

Unvote
Vote randomidget

[Fluminator]

Please can people show why their votes are on me rather than stating something which I can't defend against as I genuinely don't understand it.
Fluminator I have a tendency to not do much Day 1. I said this earlier.
Aphix you didn't explain your vote.
Doublade your vote was OMGUS.
Ankamius you said you disliked part of one of my posts. Why did this make you think I was scum.
I think I have 4 votes on me at the moment,
.

Actually I did explain my vote. Not doing it any further ... But in response to this post lets help make things clear.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: randomidget

Here's a hint, I also think this post is scummy. Another hint, I hate people that defend themselves by saying "I don't do much day one." They tend to continue on to not do anything.

Why did you unvote Midget and then revote him?

Anyway, Midget is at L-2. EVERYONE TAKE NOTE OF THAT. Don't accidentally quicklynch him.
I haven't had time to do a d1 meta on him yet. Would be nice if multiple people did it to see if we came to the same conclusions.

[Randomnamechange]

@alchemist. I did explain my vote on aphix. I think he is bandwagoning an easy lynch as scum. How is that not scumhunting. I have scumhunted more than gaiden, so surely he is a better place to put your vote? And were you paying no attention when I pointed out my meta? I swear no one is paying atttention to what I say outside of my list read.

[Ankamius]

So i was talking with yuu (pieguy) about the game, and was wondering why Ankamius has a scumread on pie despite me trusting him to get an accurate read on the slot, but yuu said that him getting a scumread on her is... normal? And convinced me that Ankamius is most likely town and that his mistake was based on him changing his playstyle.

- Kuro.

His playstyle as town and mafia are incredibly different and the way he handed the 1v1 with reinoe was far into his mafia mindset. pieguy knows how. It's one of those meta tells that is really easy to throw off once they're aware of what the problem is though, so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for right now. I have bigger fish to fry right now anyway.

Ankamius you said you disliked part of one of my posts. Why did this make you think I was scum.

I see absolutely no reason for your Doublade and Clusk reads to exist together (especially with the reasoning you gave) if you're town.

[Ankamius]

I haven't had time to do a d1 meta on him [midget] yet. Would be nice if multiple people did it to see if we came to the same conclusions.

[Ankamius]

It might be my heavy bias against meta diving but that statement just smells really bad to me.

[Ankamius]

Actually, his warning about midget being at L-2 is only making it worse. That looks more like a stalling tactic than anything else.

[reinoe]

Ankamius is probably town.

[Ankamius]

Guys, if a randomidget somehow deflates, can we lynch Fluminator?

[Ankamius]

...randomidget wagon

Sorry, I'm going to go laugh at myself for a while now.

[aphix]

READ MY POST. I ask you a direct question. You state you can't quote posts from you phone and continue ignoring the question. Guess what. Even from a phone you can write [ post ] [ /post ]. I know I do that. Then stating I didn't give reason. Which is an indicator you aren't reading my post.

randomidget: So, inability to quote means you can't actually answer the question at all?

VOTE: randomidget

Bold added for emphasis.


Flum: Please read the last paragraph. First sentence. He says I didn't give a reason for my vote. It's my indication that here's another reason. Also Flum you state that I claimed KB and Anatole are scum together. Could you please point out where I stated that?

[Fluminator]

@ Aphix, I already responded in 307.

@Ankamis, You can't actually be serious right now? Re-read what you just posted.
We have 8 days left before DP is over. With 2 people not even posting yet there is no way we want day to end yet. Of course I don't want anyone lynched in awhile. How could you think rushing the lynch is a good idea?

[Ankamius]

@ Aphix, I already responded in 307.

@Ankamis, You can't actually be serious right now? Re-read what you just posted.
We have 8 days left before DP is over. With 2 people not even posting yet there is no way we want day to end yet. Of course I don't want anyone lynched in awhile. How could you think rushing the lynch is a good idea?

This is a strawman. I'm not arguing for rushing a lynch on randomidget. There are so many individual stances and opinions about this wagon that trying to get people to 'metadive' him and focus on that instead looks like a way to both stifle any possible conclusions from that discussion and drive the discussion towards a subject that doesn't give any relevant information towards pretty much anyone in the game.

[Fluminator]

You may think meta is irrelevant, but I'm still going to meta him tyvm.
-sarcasm- I'm sure if people meta him, they will only focus on his meta and nothing else. -sarcasm-

And I don't think I used a strawman. You say me supposedly "stalling" a midget quicklynch is bad. Which means letting it happen is good...
Post 336.

[Ankamius]

You

are

strawmanning me because I never once said I wanted randomidget to be quicklynched, yet that's what you're arguing against.

You're giving the strawman a false dichotomy now.

[Ankamius]

You may think meta is irrelevant, but I'm still going to meta him tyvm.

BTW, my only issue is with second-hand meta. First-hand meta is completely okay with me.

[Fluminator]

Ok. I am curious, why do you think second-hand meta isn't useful? And do you really think it is a good idea to request someones lynch because they think it's a good idea?

Straw man is attacking something that the other person never said.

Actually, his warning about midget being at L-2 is only making it worse. That looks more like a stalling tactic than anything else.

You said that I was stalling his lynch right? (which I would agree I am trying to do.) And that it looked bad I was stalling his lynch. Therefore it seemed to imply you wanted him lynched rather soon.
Do you see it now?

[aphix]

Flum: The thing is you still have yet to provide the point where I said they were scum together. If you can't actually point out where I stated they were scum teams that's fine, as I know that's the case. It'd be nice to admit you were being a little over ambitious with your description of what I was doing.

[Ankamius]

Ok. I am curious, why do you think second-hand meta isn't useful? And do you really think it is a good idea to request someones lynch because they think it's a good idea?

Because you're drawing comparisons between two things that

look

compatible, but it's an erroneous comparison. Information you get when directly interacting with something will always be of a higher quality than watching from outside.

I don't understand your second question at all.

Straw man is attacking something that the other person never said.

This is true.

Actually, his warning about midget being at L-2 is only making it worse. That looks more like a stalling tactic than anything else.

You said that I was stalling his lynch right? (which I would agree I am trying to do.) And that it looked bad I was stalling his lynch. Therefore it seemed to imply you wanted him lynched rather soon.
Do you see it now?

I already explained it here, though:

I'm not arguing for rushing a lynch on randomidget. There are so many individual stances and opinions about this wagon that trying to get people to 'metadive' him and focus on that instead looks like a way to both stifle any possible conclusions from that discussion and drive the discussion towards a subject that doesn't give any relevant information towards pretty much anyone in the game.

This turns your counter-argument from an accidental strawman to a purposeful strawman. I specifically stated that I was not talking about lynching the guy, but the motivation behind your stalling the wagon.

[Ankamius]

Oh, I'm going to make this clear too: When I say stalling, I mean trying to dismantle the wagon by distracting people from the reason they're on the wagon so they'll start losing interest.